Taken directly from the twitter poll started by Steve Vladeck.
https://twitter.com/steve_vladeck/status/1081007243980623872
1) Trump backs down; no wall
2) Democrats back down; agree to fund wall
3) Enough Republican Senators join Democrats and override a veto
4) Will be settled by whoever wins in 2020 (for all intents and purposes, shutdown continues in perpetuity and is handled by next legislative and executive makeup)
Trump backs down and ends the government shutdown and declares a national emergency and builds the wall anyway.
Each side will have to give a little to get a little.
Trump backs down and ends the government shutdown and declares a national emergency and builds the wall anyway.
It is also telling that a conservative would support such a move that if Obama did similar you'd be howling at the moon.No, Trump Cannot Declare an ‘Emergency’ to Build His Wall
If he did, and used soldiers to build it, they would all be committing a federal crime.
Not only would such an action be illegal, but if members of the armed forces obeyed his command, they would be committing a federal crime.
Begin with the basics. From the founding onward, the American constitutional tradition has profoundly opposed the president’s use of the military to enforce domestic law. A key provision, rooted in an 1878 statute and added to the law in 1956, declares that whoever “willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force” to execute a law domestically “shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years” — except when “expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress.”
Another provision, grounded in a statute from 1807 and added to the law in 1981, requires the secretary of defense to “ensure that any activity (including the provision of any equipment or facility or the assignment or detail of any personnel)” must “not include or permit direct participation by a member of the Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marine Corps in a search, seizure, arrest, or other similar activity unless participation in such activity by such member is otherwise authorized by law.”
Each side will have to give a little to get a little.
Taken directly from the twitter poll started by Steve Vladeck.
https://twitter.com/steve_vladeck/status/1081007243980623872
1) Trump backs down; no wall
2) Democrats back down; agree to fund wall
3) Enough Republican Senators join Democrats and override a veto
4) Will be settled by whoever wins in 2020 (for all intents and purposes, shutdown continues in perpetuity and is handled by next legislative and executive makeup)
Trump backs down and ends the government shutdown and declares a national emergencyand builds the wall anyway.
Taken directly from the twitter poll started by Steve Vladeck.
https://twitter.com/steve_vladeck/status/1081007243980623872
1) Trump backs down; no wall
2) Democrats back down; agree to fund wall
3) Enough Republican Senators join Democrats and override a veto
4) Will be settled by whoever wins in 2020 (for all intents and purposes, shutdown continues in perpetuity and is handled by next legislative and executive makeup)
Taken directly from the twitter poll started by Steve Vladeck.
https://twitter.com/steve_vladeck/status/1081007243980623872
1) Trump backs down; no wall
2) Democrats back down; agree to fund wall
3) Enough Republican Senators join Democrats and override a veto
4) Will be settled by whoever wins in 2020 (for all intents and purposes, shutdown continues in perpetuity and is handled by next legislative and executive makeup)
I don't think Trump will back down but I do see him declaring a national emergency while he is battling the left in Congress for money. The numbers from border patrol and DHS certainly back his claim of a crisis. Of course it will be met by court fights from the left but when the president claims it in the interest of national security, the cases will quickly reach the Supreme court. Once again the test of the president's authority will be scrutinized by the nine in robes.
Trump backs down and ends the government shutdown and declares a national emergency and builds the wall anyway.
Supposedly the numbers of illegal entries are higher than last year, which were very much lower than the year before, and which dropped by 30% the year before that. Certainly does not indicate a crisis of any sort. What is a crisis, and a wall will not change, is that the border entries are overwhelmed with people who have presented themselves for asylum. The government has yet to act to alleviate that crisis. There is not adequate room to house these people. More administrative help is needed in processing these cases. But that does not get done. Families stay there for very long times. Unfortunately, children have died.
Of course we have had administrations lie about "crisis" to the American public before, witness the war in Iraq.
Is there any point at which Trump supporters would demand the truth from him? Because he presents this idea of a border overrun with rapists and drug dealers, and that is not what is happening at all. It is a crisis of quite a different type, and his stupid wall will not help a bit.
https://www.dailysignal.com/2017/10/08/what-trump-could-learn-from-the-reagan-immigration-amnesty/
As long we think sovereignty is a joke, who cares who blinks first? Most of our politicians don't have the spine to follow through anyway. Let foreigners run amok already, law and order be damned. It is just so insulting when anyone claims to do so for humanitarian reasons, to pat their own shoulder for appearances sake.
If the issue was serious then Trump shouldn't have lied about the funding for a solid year.
The issue is serious, and goes far beyond Trump. This administration will pass, our sovereignty may as well if we fail to properly address the issue.
While you deem yourself an expert on what a wall will or will not do and in the same breath declare anyone in Trump's administration are liars, you show yourself someone who is not even worth responding to. If security walls don't work why do so many wealthy people like Pelosi, Obama, Clintons have security fences around their homes?
My father in law was a hero well decorated in WWII The man was wounded on several occasions while in the European theater. He had an impressive number of medals from Purple Hearts, Silver and Bronze stars. One time he refused a Silver star because those who laid their asses on the line with him were not awarded one and he told the Army to shove their Silver star if they were not willing to award one to All that were involved in the mission. When people would talk their jive with nothing to really back it up he would say "You talk like someone with a paper asshole." For years I didn't get his comment but now I do. Almost everyday on this forum I am reminded of his statement.
As I said, sounds serious. He should have been honest about who would pay for it, and his administration should have done an honest cost estimate of the wall. As it stands, no serious cost estimate has been conducted. Numbers fluctuate seemingly at random from week to week, and the vision of the wall seems to fluctuate even more frequently. Additionally, he was all set to sign the funding bill until he watched Fox News and changed his mind. And finally, in his zeal to protect border security, TSA agents and Coast Guard personnel go without pay.
For an issue that's so "serious," he certainly doesn't treat it very seriously.
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