How Data Helped Win The Battle Over Same-Sex Marriage

[Absentglare]

"Lizard," no. Rather reptilian in some regards, yes.

In any eventuality, she blatantly said that she wants to basically "destroy" traditional morality - or, at the very least, subvert and bury it under so much of her own brand as to render the whole thing essentially irrelevant - and she's said as much on multiple occasions, as well as gloating over what she perceives to be "victories" on the road to that same goal.

I swear... I really have to wonder sometimes if you guys ever get tired of all the kneejerk pathological denialism you engage in on a regular basis. Do you actually think you're fooling anyone with it?

Are you simply fooling yourselves?

Do you really think "traditional morality" when it's a form of oppression that stones homosexuals to death is worth conserving ?

 

[Gathomas88]

Do you really think "traditional morality" when it's a form of oppression that stones homosexuals to death is worth conserving ?

And whom, exactly, is supporting any such thing?

When was the last time a homosexual was stoned to death in the United States?

 

[Deuce]

"Lizard," no. Rather reptilian in some regards, yes.

In any eventuality, she blatantly said that she wants to basically "destroy" traditional morality - or, at the very least, subvert and bury it under so much of her own brand as to render the whole thing essentially irrelevant - and she's said as much on multiple occasions, as well as gloating over what she perceives to be "victories" on the road to that same goal.

I swear... I really have to wonder sometimes if you guys ever get tired of all the kneejerk pathological denialism you engage in on a regular basis. Do you actually think you're fooling anyone with it?

Are you simply fooling yourselves?

You tried to ascribe this sort of thinking to the "left" as a whole. That was foolish of you, which is why I'm making fun of you.

 

[Deuce]

And whom, exactly, is supporting any such thing?

When was the last time a homosexual was stoned to death in the United States?

Hey, if you can take any random person and declare that's representative of folks like me, we can do the same to you buddy. One quote from some fire and brimstone religious loony? That's you. The right.

 

[Gathomas88]

You tried to ascribe this sort of thinking to the "left" as a whole. That was foolish of you, which is why I'm making fun of you.

Hey, if you can take any random person and declare that's representative of folks like me, we can do the same to you buddy. One quote from some fire and brimstone religious loony? That's you. The right.

Are you trying to claim that the political and cultural Left hasn't spent the last seventy years, almost, doing exactly what I described?

The 1960s - and subsequent slow motion collapse of the institution of marriage and any sense of sexual morality - just never happened, right? :roll:

 

[CriticalThought]

Are you trying to claim that the political and cultural Left hasn't spent the last seventy years, almost, doing exactly what I described?

The 1960s - and subsequent slow motion collapse of the institution of marriage and any sense of sexual morality - just never happened, right? :roll:

The Internet did more to curtail sexual morality that the most devious amoral leftists could have dreamed to accomplish.

 

[Gathomas88]

The Internet did more to curtail sexual morality that the most devious amoral leftists could have dreamed to accomplish.

And the ceaseless efforts of Left-leaning cultural libertines like Larry Flynt and Hugh Hefner in socially normalizing pornography had nothing to do with shaping the present nature of the internet?

 

[Absentglare]

And whom, exactly, is supporting any such thing?

When was the last time a homosexual was stoned to death in the United States?

Hold on, i didn't realize the implication of my own argument. Sorry.

I simply mean to say that there is no good reason to blindly retain tradition.

There is a big difference between "forcing you to love homosexuality," and "forcing you to legally respect homosexuals."

I think one of those things is reasonable. There should be no reason that we cannot find common ground with mutual respect so long as we remain law abiding citizens.

 

[RAMOSS]

And whom, exactly, is supporting any such thing?

When was the last time a homosexual was stoned to death in the United States?

Legally?? Or because some people didn't like that person was homosexual, and broke the law?

 

[sangha]

And whom, exactly, is supporting any such thing?

The people you support, like those at AFA

 

[chromium]

And the ceaseless efforts of Left-leaning cultural libertines like Larry Flynt and Hugh Hefner in socially normalizing pornography had nothing to do with shaping the present nature of the internet?

it wouldn't matter because people - right wing included - naturally LIKE pornography. If there wasn't a 'sexual revolution' half a century ago, there should as hell would be now with online porn and hookup apps

 

[SmartCat]

I consider myself to be socially conservative. I think the problem with American society is not that a few homosexuals want to get married, but that many heterosexuals do not want to get married and stay married to the parents of their children.

Children raised to adulthood by both biological parents living together in matrimony tend to do much better in life than children raised in other situations.

 

[SmartCat]

it wouldn't matter because people - right wing included - naturally LIKE pornography. If there wasn't a 'sexual revolution' half a century ago, there should as hell would be now with online porn and hookup apps

Most women do not enjoy looking at nude photos of nude men or nude women.

Most men do enjoy looking at nude photos of nude women. I do too, but I like the photos to be artistic and in good taste.

 

[chromium]

Most women do not enjoy looking at nude photos of nude men or nude women.

Most men do enjoy looking at nude photos of nude women. I do too, but I like the photos to be artistic and in good taste.

even if most women want kids, that doesn't mean guys will

Gath is fuming against the prevailing trend that just might also be human nature - that jerking off to porn or sleeping around using of birth control (which keeps getting easier) is preferable to the increasingly hard to manage time/$/risk that comes with a lifelong relationship to one partner and raising kids. In my state, most do not have the economic means for this, and many who do just prefer to get drunk and play video games and text all day

And it's certainly not anyone else's place to dictate otherwise

 

[Bassman]

And my question still remains. Knowing the Left's support for anything and everything that destroys the right and proper definitions of marriage and family, how long before the NAMBLA crowd and kiddie diddlers get their special rights also?

 

[SmartCat]

And my question still remains. Knowing the Left's support for anything and everything that destroys the right and proper definitions of marriage and family, how long before the NAMBLA crowd and kiddie diddlers get their special rights also?

I doubt it will happen. The legal system is becoming less tolerant toward child pornography. Possession of photos of nude children who are not engaged in any sexual activities with adults or even children can lead to a prison sentence. That indicates declining tolerance for sex between adults and minors.

During the 1970's sex between adults and minors was almost chic. I think the Roman Catholic priestly pedophile scandal has changed that. It has demonstrated that sex between a minor and a man can leave lasting emotional scars, even if it appears to be consensual to the man at the time.

 

[SmartCat]

And my question still remains. Knowing the Left's support for anything and everything that destroys the right and proper definitions of marriage and family, how long before the NAMBLA crowd and kiddie diddlers get their special rights also?

By the way, Bassman, a person who defines himself by hostilities seems lacking somehow. Don't you have anything to be proud of besides your hatred of Democrats, especially Obama?

 

[Bassman]

By the way, Bassman, a person who defines himself by hostilities seems lacking somehow. Don't you have anything to be proud of besides your hatred of Democrats, especially Obama?

Until we rid this country of the overt Communism that has infiltrated the Democrat party. As far as I am concerned, they are enemies of America.

 

[Bassman]

I doubt it will happen. The legal system is becoming less tolerant toward child pornography. Possession of photos of nude children who are not engaged in any sexual activities with adults or even children can lead to a prison sentence. That indicates declining tolerance for sex between adults and minors.

During the 1970's sex between adults and minors was almost chic. I think the Roman Catholic priestly pedophile scandal has changed that. It has demonstrated that sex between a minor and a man can leave lasting emotional scars, even if it appears to be consensual to the man at the time.

Same was said about the Sodomites until some limpwristed pointyheads decided to "normalize" this abhorrent behavior.

 

[Jetboogieman]

Same was said about the Sodomites until some limpwristed pointyheads decided to "normalize" this abhorrent behavior.

Once again "Only things that are personally approved by Bassman" should be allowed.

So much for freedom.

 

[roguenuke]

I consider myself to be socially conservative. I think the problem with American society is not that a few homosexuals want to get married, but that many heterosexuals do not want to get married and stay married to the parents of their children.

Children raised to adulthood by both biological parents living together in matrimony tend to do much better in life than children raised in other situations.

Data so far shows that this is not true, that the only factors that matter are two parents, in a long term, loving, committed relationship tend to do better in life than those children in other situations than that. Heterosexual is not necessary. Biological parents is not necessary. Legal marriage gives advantages but is also the only measure we have right now for valid comparison because it hasn't been that long since marriage has declined to the point where a significant number of parents are raising children from birth without being legally married but still staying together for the entire raising of the child and even beyond.

 

[SmartCat]

Until we rid this country of the overt Communism that has infiltrated the Democrat party. As far as I am concerned, they are enemies of America.

The Democrats are no more overt Communists than is Donald Trump a fascist. A mark of intelligence is the ability to make distinctions.

 

[SmartCat]

Same was said about the Sodomites until some limpwristed pointyheads decided to "normalize" this abhorrent behavior.

Sex between a man and a minor often if not usually harms the minor. How does consensual, protected sex between adults harm anyone? I would never do something like that. Nevertheless, it does not harm me because I do not think about it. I advise you to stop thinking about it too.

 

[SmartCat]

Data so far shows that this is not true, that the only factors that matter are two parents, in a long term, loving, committed relationship tend to do better in life than those children in other situations than that. Heterosexual is not necessary. Biological parents is not necessary. Legal marriage gives advantages but is also the only measure we have right now for valid comparison because it hasn't been that long since marriage has declined to the point where a significant number of parents are raising children from birth without being legally married but still staying together for the entire raising of the child and even beyond.

I am interested in looking at the data. I have read that people who live together are less likely to stay together even if they get married later.

 

[Deuce]

Are you trying to claim that the political and cultural Left hasn't spent the last seventy years, almost, doing exactly what I described?

The 1960s - and subsequent slow motion collapse of the institution of marriage and any sense of sexual morality - just never happened, right? :roll:

yes I am saying nobody has this grand supervillain agenda of destroying the institution of marriage. If two dudes getting married destroys your marriage, your marriage sucked. The rest of us have intact relationships despite this devastating revelation that sometimes two people with dicks want to sign the same piece of paper as everyone else.