How can you justify voting for Obama a second time?

[TurtleDude]

How do you suppose we solve the problem? I know you want to raise taxes on them, and I know you don't think they deserve extra wages, and you also want to cut off any federal aid? What exactly is the plan?

actually I want a government that does not require near the tax dollars it claims it needs today. the only purpose for making those who demand more and more handouts to pay more is to serve as a dis-incentive for them to demand more government.

 

[whysoserious]

actually I want a government that does not require near the tax dollars it claims it needs today. the only purpose for making those who demand more and more handouts to pay more is to serve as a dis-incentive for them to demand more government.

I understand that, but either way you just threw 10's of thousands of people out of house and home when you implement those policies (cutting any welfare, raising their taxes, and not supporting wage hikes). So you solved your economic issues, but you just created 10's of thousands more. What then? Oh well? Tough luck?

 

[TurtleDude]

I understand that, but either way you just threw 10's of thousands of people out of house and home when you implement those policies (cutting any welfare, raising their taxes, and not supporting wage hikes). So you solved your economic issues, but you just created 10's of thousands more. What then? Oh well? Tough luck?

really I was able to do that?

Now I will waive my magic wand and make you evaporate?

I would much rather have a tax system where those who want more government get hit with tax hikes rather than them being able to vote up the taxes of "the rich" which of course leads them to demand more and more and more spending

I guess you want more and more spending since you probably don't pay much for it

 

[whysoserious]

really I was able to do that?

Now I will waive my magic wand and make you evaporate?

I would much rather have a tax system where those who want more government get hit with tax hikes rather than them being able to vote up the taxes of "the rich" which of course leads them to demand more and more and more spending

I guess you want more and more spending since you probably don't pay much for it

I don't know that your system would work, but whatever. And no, I am not entirely against cutting spending. I definitely would like to see a balanced budget, and I think we are in dire need of a budget surplus. I think we need to raise taxes/close loopholes (loopholes first and if that is enough to get the job then don't raise taxes at all), and cut spending because I do not believe either alone will get us where we need to be.

 

[Gardener]

I'll be voting for whoever runs against him in 2012(hopefully it will be Ron Paul).

I voted for Obama in 2008, and if Paul were to run against him, I'd certainly vote for him again.

 

[Deuce]

really I was able to do that?

Now I will waive my magic wand and make you evaporate?

I would much rather have a tax system where those who want more government get hit with tax hikes rather than them being able to vote up the taxes of "the rich" which of course leads them to demand more and more and more spending

I guess you want more and more spending since you probably don't pay much for it

I disagree with this statement.

 

[IndependntLogic]

The man stands by nothing, his stimulus package failed, we're still in the middle east, and still in an economic mess. IMO its ridiculous to think he'll do better in a second term.

I'll be voting for whoever runs against him in 2012(hopefully it will be Ron Paul).

I was really looking forward to voting against him. Then again, I was looking forward to voting against Harry Reid until the Tea Party hijacked the GOP and put one of the biggest whackjobs I have ever seen, on the ballot (Sharon Angle).
So the Dems can actually thank the Tea Party for my vote.

I'm no fan of Obama but The GOP field looks HORRIBLE! This is the best they could do? Seriously?
If Perry gets the nomination, I'm voting Obama.
If Bachmann, Paul or (heaven forbid!) Eskimo Barbie are ANYWHERE on the ticket, I'm voting Obama.

That leaves Romney. The nice thing about him is that no matter how you feel about an issue, he agrees with you...

 

[TurtleDude]

Romney is by far the smartest candidate on either side

 

[FilmFestGuy]

I bet you'd be better than this guy

Poll: U.S. wealth gap unfair - MJ Lee - POLITICO.com

And apparently 2/3 of Americans agree with him.

And 2/3 of Americans believe the wealthy should be paying higher taxes.

And 70% believe the GOP favors the rich over working people.

So, apparently there are a LOT of Marxists here.

 

[Jerry]

The man stands by nothing, his stimulus package failed, we're still in the middle east, and still in an economic mess. IMO its ridiculous to think he'll do better in a second term.

I'll be voting for whoever runs against him in 2012(hopefully it will be Ron Paul).

Either extreme stupidity, or sincere hatred for the country. There can logically be no other reason.

 

[washunut]

Poll: U.S. wealth gap unfair - MJ Lee - POLITICO.com

And apparently 2/3 of Americans agree with him.

And 2/3 of Americans believe the wealthy should be paying higher taxes.

And 70% believe the GOP favors the rich over working people.

So, apparently there are a LOT of Marxists here.

How many in the poll you cite can tell us who the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court is? If that one is to hard ask them if anyone but people who make in excess of $250K had their taxes cut with the Bush Tax cuts that they decry.

 

[TurtleDude]

Poll: U.S. wealth gap unfair - MJ Lee - POLITICO.com

And apparently 2/3 of Americans agree with him.

And 2/3 of Americans believe the wealthy should be paying higher taxes.

And 70% believe the GOP favors the rich over working people.

So, apparently there are a LOT of Marxists here.

there are always more losers than winners and the losers generally think that its unfair that they are losers

and the New Deal mentality has created generations of parasites who think others should pay more so that the parasites can have more without working for it

BFD

 

[Caine]

Poll: U.S. wealth gap unfair - MJ Lee - POLITICO.com

And apparently 2/3 of Americans agree with him.

And 2/3 of Americans believe the wealthy should be paying higher taxes.

And 70% believe the GOP favors the rich over working people.

So, apparently there are a LOT of Marxists here.

Funny thing is.....

If the wealthy are paying higher taxes.... how exactly is that putting money in the pockets of the people?

The money paid in taxes goes to the government.......

So, unless the plan is to tax the wealthy and then give government handouts to everyone else..... How is that money going to get into the hands of the people?

 

[FilmFestGuy]

Funny thing is.....

If the wealthy are paying higher taxes.... how exactly is that putting money in the pockets of the people?

The money paid in taxes goes to the government.......

So, unless the plan is to tax the wealthy and then give government handouts to everyone else..... How is that money going to get into the hands of the people?

If you tax the wealthy and then invest in improving our infrastructure by contracting with private construction firms throughout the country to build roads, bridges, schools, and perfect the electrical grid, you are then taxing the wealthy to create jobs and are using government to improve conditions for working people.

This is nowhere near "government handouts".

 

[winston53660]

Funny thing is.....

If the wealthy are paying higher taxes.... how exactly is that putting money in the pockets of the people?

The money paid in taxes goes to the government.......

So, unless the plan is to tax the wealthy and then give government handouts to everyone else..... How is that money going to get into the hands of the people?

The wealthy own Boeing. That sell the stuff to the government.

 

[Catawba]

How can you justify voting for Obama a second time?

In the same way a starving person can justify eating a rat...................

 

[TurtleDude]

If you tax the wealthy and then invest in improving our infrastructure by contracting with private construction firms throughout the country to build roads, bridges, schools, and perfect the electrical grid, you are then taxing the wealthy to create jobs and are using government to improve conditions for working people.

This is nowhere near "government handouts".

that's the official position. the real argument that your masters use is that they can buy your votes by using our money and with that they get more wealth and power without doing anything productive to earn it

 

[haymarket]

that's the official position. the real argument that your masters use is that they can buy your votes by using our money and with that they get more wealth and power without doing anything productive to earn it

I was hoping that when you said it this time, unlike the hundreds of other times you penned the same idea, you would actually provide some proof of your allegations. Sadly, not today. :3oops:

Perhaps 2012 will see you turn over a new leaf and shun personal pontifications in favor of verifiable evidence? We can only hope.

 

[TurtleDude]

I was hoping that when you said it this time, unlike the hundreds of other times you penned the same idea, you would actually provide some proof of your allegations. Sadly, not today. :3oops:

Perhaps 2012 will see you turn over a new leaf and shun personal pontifications in favor of verifiable evidence? We can only hope.

I realize that the lefties are not going to admit what really motivates them and honesty has never been important to the leftwing leaders. but those who believe people like Kerry or the kennedys really cared about the poor as opposed to gaining power through elective office are just plain ignorant or dishonest

 

[Caine]

If you tax the wealthy and then invest in improving our infrastructure by contracting with private construction firms throughout the country to build roads, bridges, schools, and perfect the electrical grid, you are then taxing the wealthy to create jobs and are using government to improve conditions for working people.

This is nowhere near "government handouts".

Construction jobs?

Im sorry, but aren't over half of the construction job employees illegal immigrants anyways?

What makes you think Americans are going to do those jobs?

 

[haymarket]

I realize that the lefties are not going to admit what really motivates them and honesty has never been important to the leftwing leaders. but those who believe people like Kerry or the kennedys really cared about the poor as opposed to gaining power through elective office are just plain ignorant or dishonest

Then why don't you simply step up to the plate and actually prove your claims, your allegations and your boasts for the very first time using both the historical record and actual words or literature from Democratic office holders that you demonize? Again, here is the claim that you have stated for a time beyond calculation

the real argument that your masters use is that they can buy your votes by using our money and with that they get more wealth and power without doing anything productive to earn it

Back up your assertions with actual verifiable evidence. Feel free to use Kerry or any of the Kennedys that you seem to loathe so much.

 

[TurtleDude]

Then why don't you simply step up to the plate and actually prove your claims, your allegations and your boasts for the very first time using both the historical record and actual words or literature from Democratic office holders that you demonize? Again, here is the claim that you have stated for a time beyond calculation



Back up your assertions with actual verifiable evidence. Feel free to use Kerry or any of the Kennedys that you seem to loathe so much.

I don't think its legal for me to waterboard you far lefties.

 

[Cameron]

The man stands by nothing, his stimulus package failed, we're still in the middle east, and still in an economic mess. IMO its ridiculous to think he'll do better in a second term.

I'll be voting for whoever runs against him in 2012(hopefully it will be Ron Paul).

He may not do better, but we could do a whole lot worse.

If Romney gets the nod I'll have some things to think about, but I would never vote for any of the other candidates, even over someone like Kerry.

 

[radcen]

I don't think its legal for me to waterboard you far lefties.

Pity, huh?

 

[Catawba]

I wish I could not justify voting for Obama a second time, that would mean there was a viable progressive candidate running for president!