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Hmm, Why Has Bachmann Stopped Bashing The Census?
Eric Kleefeld | January 4, 2010, 12:26PM

(snip... ) Last year, Bachmann repeatedly said she would defy the Census by not completely filling out the information on the forms, but would instead only give the number of people in her household. She said that Census data was used to conduct the 1940's Japanese-American internment, and warned that the government was seeking to gather information about people's mental health. But as far as we can tell, her last anti-Census public statement was in August.

The largest newspaper in Minnesota, the Star-Tribune, is calling on the state's citizens to vigorously participate in the Census. The key issue here is that according to current population estimates, Minnesota is right on the cusp of losing one of its eight seats in Congress, and will be in a close competition with Missouri, Texas and California for that district. The Strib points out that "Minnesota traditionally has had one big advantage -- the cooperation of its civic-minded citizens."

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Hmm, Why Has Bachmann Stopped Bashing The Census? | TPMDC


This story amused me. I wonder why Bachman has quit railing against the cencus? Was she swayed by the many arguments that her arguments were bogus? Did someone convince her to STFU? Or, is it, in the end, just about self-preservation? If MN loses a Congressional seat, her district may be first on the chopping block for slicing and dicing? :twisted:
 
Re: Hmm, Why Has Bachmann Stopped Bashing The Census? Eric Kleefeld | January 4, 2010

This story amused me. I wonder why Bachman has quit railing against the cencus? Was she swayed by the many arguments that her arguments were bogus? Did someone convince her to STFU? Or, is it, in the end, just about self-preservation? If MN loses a Congressional seat, her district may be first on the chopping block for slicing and dicing? :twisted:
The census is constitutionally mandated, isn't it?
 
Re: Hmm, Why Has Bachmann Stopped Bashing The Census? Eric Kleefeld | January 4, 2010

The census is constitutionally mandated, isn't it?
Yup. Article I, § 2.
 
Re: Hmm, Why Has Bachmann Stopped Bashing The Census? Eric Kleefeld | January 4, 2010

Yup. Article I, § 2.
So how can she refuse to partake in the census?
 
Re: Hmm, Why Has Bachmann Stopped Bashing The Census? Eric Kleefeld | January 4, 2010

This story amused me. I wonder why Bachman has quit railing against the cencus? Was she swayed by the many arguments that her arguments were bogus? Did someone convince her to STFU? Or, is it, in the end, just about self-preservation? If MN loses a Congressional seat, her district may be first on the chopping block for slicing and dicing? :twisted:
too funny. although i would hate for her to be pushed out of the spotlight, she's good for lots of laughs.
 
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Re: Hmm, Why Has Bachmann Stopped Bashing The Census? Eric Kleefeld | January 4, 2010

too funny. although i would hate for her to be pushed out of the spotlight, she's good for lots of laughs.


Not as funny as Dennis (brought to us on a UFO) Kucinisch.....:mrgreen:


j-mac
 
Re: Hmm, Why Has Bachmann Stopped Bashing The Census? Eric Kleefeld | January 4, 2010

Not as funny as Dennis (brought to us on a UFO) Kucinisch.....:mrgreen:


j-mac

Now that is amusing as well. :rofl
 
Re: Hmm, Why Has Bachmann Stopped Bashing The Census? Eric Kleefeld | January 4, 2010

So how can she refuse to partake in the census?
I guess she could refuse to participate. The Constitution mandates that the government make a census, but it doesn't say she would be penalized for not participating in it, other than possibly losing Congressional representation.
 
Re: Hmm, Why Has Bachmann Stopped Bashing The Census? Eric Kleefeld | January 4, 2010

Someone probably reminded her that she could be charged with a crime for inciting people to break the law. And then they probably told her to STFU. LOL!
 
Re: Hmm, Why Has Bachmann Stopped Bashing The Census? Eric Kleefeld | January 4, 2010

I guess she could refuse to participate. The Constitution mandates that the government make a census, but it doesn't say she would be penalized for not participating in it, other than possibly losing Congressional representation.

It's not mandatory, but it gives the politicians less voting power in the senate and the house.
 
Re: Hmm, Why Has Bachmann Stopped Bashing The Census? Eric Kleefeld | January 4, 2010

It's not mandatory, but it gives the politicians less voting power in the senate and the house.
Actually it would give the representatives that remain more power, because there would be less of them.
 
Re: Hmm, Why Has Bachmann Stopped Bashing The Census? Eric Kleefeld | January 4, 2010

To cut all you wanna be Constitutional scholars off at the pass:
http://2010.census.gov/partners/pdf/ConstituentFAQ.pdf

10. Do I have to respond to the 2010 Census?
Yes, your participation in the 2010 Census is vital and required by law. Title 13 section 221 of the United States Code requires your response. Title 13 also requires that the Census Bureau keep respondents’ answers confidential and uses them only for tabulations that do not reveal any personal data about individuals or households.

11. What happens if I don’t respond?Although the law makes it a crime not to answer the decennial census, the American Community Survey and other mandatory censuses, and authorizes the courts to impose a fine of up to $5,000 for failure to respond, the Census Bureau views this approach as a last resort. Rather than emphasizing or seeking the imposition of penalties, we encourage response by explaining the importance of the questions we ask and how the information benefits the community.
 
Re: Hmm, Why Has Bachmann Stopped Bashing The Census? Eric Kleefeld | January 4, 2010

Not as funny as Dennis (brought to us on a UFO) Kucinisch.....:mrgreen:


j-mac


hahahaa .... that was awesome.
 
Re: Hmm, Why Has Bachmann Stopped Bashing The Census? Eric Kleefeld | January 4, 2010

Perhaps Michelle's outing of some of the questions in the long-form census convinced somebody to change the questions. Some of the questions were on the order of:
- Does anyone in the household have any mental or physical disabilities?
- Does anyone in the household have difficulty climbing stairs?
- What time (hour and minute) do you leave for work in the morning?
- What time (hour and minute) do you get home in the evening?
- What is the length of your commute (miles, hour and minute)?

IMO, anyone stupid enough to tell an ACORN worker what hours of the day the house will be vacant deserves to come home to a house with no furniture.

Of course none of the questions asked whether all inhabitants of the household were American citizens. The long form is not sent to everyone and there should be no requirement at all to answer such unconstitutionally intrusive questions, but the initial census proposal called for harassment of those who wished to protect their privacy.
 
Re: Hmm, Why Has Bachmann Stopped Bashing The Census? Eric Kleefeld | January 4, 2010

I guess she could refuse to participate. The Constitution mandates that the government make a census, but it doesn't say she would be penalized for not participating in it, other than possibly losing Congressional representation.
Well, the big thing in this was who was doing the census, rather than census itselfm because of all the hype over acorn/seiu. I don't think they're doing the census now, are they? That would explain it.
 
Re: Hmm, Why Has Bachmann Stopped Bashing The Census? Eric Kleefeld | January 4, 2010

Well, the big thing in this was who was doing the census, rather than census itselfm because of all the hype over acorn/seiu. I don't think they're doing the census now, are they? That would explain it.
No idea. I thought ACORN was on the outs with the government though. I can't imagine that they would get the contract for the 2010 census.
 
Re: Hmm, Why Has Bachmann Stopped Bashing The Census? Eric Kleefeld | January 4, 2010

So how can she refuse to partake in the census?

By claiming that when the socialists in the Democratic Party out themselves and take over the United States as part of the New World Order that becomes a global one government dictatorship, information from the census will allow them to target people with disabilities in order to purify eugenic lines to better create a master race and to take all the guns from American citizens so that their tyranny will go unopposed by law-abiding Americans who know the true meaning of the U.S. Constitution as writ by the Founding Fathers upon divine providence by God Almighty.
 
Re: Hmm, Why Has Bachmann Stopped Bashing The Census? Eric Kleefeld | January 4, 2010

Perhaps Michelle's outing of some of the questions in the long-form census convinced somebody to change the questions. Some of the questions were on the order of:
- Does anyone in the household have any mental or physical disabilities?
- Does anyone in the household have difficulty climbing stairs?
- What time (hour and minute) do you leave for work in the morning?
- What time (hour and minute) do you get home in the evening?
- What is the length of your commute (miles, hour and minute)?

IMO, anyone stupid enough to tell an ACORN worker what hours of the day the house will be vacant deserves to come home to a house with no furniture.

Of course none of the questions asked whether all inhabitants of the household were American citizens. The long form is not sent to everyone and there should be no requirement at all to answer such unconstitutionally intrusive questions, but the initial census proposal called for harassment of those who wished to protect their privacy.

ACORN was never going to be doing actual census taking. They where one of the organizations that was going to publicize the census.
 
Re: Hmm, Why Has Bachmann Stopped Bashing The Census? Eric Kleefeld | January 4, 2010

Perhaps Michelle's outing of some of the questions in the long-form census convinced somebody to change the questions. Some of the questions were on the order of:
- Does anyone in the household have any mental or physical disabilities?
- Does anyone in the household have difficulty climbing stairs?
- What time (hour and minute) do you leave for work in the morning?
- What time (hour and minute) do you get home in the evening?
- What is the length of your commute (miles, hour and minute)?

IMO, anyone stupid enough to tell an ACORN worker what hours of the day the house will be vacant deserves to come home to a house with no furniture.

Of course none of the questions asked whether all inhabitants of the household were American citizens. The long form is not sent to everyone and there should be no requirement at all to answer such unconstitutionally intrusive questions, but the initial census proposal called for harassment of those who wished to protect their privacy.

The reason why those extra questions are asked is because they can go to helping federal programs. For example, they can calculate how much federal funding needs to go to people with physical or mental disabilities and the best time for the DoT to do road work in your area. Without answers to those questions, the government officials who decide those things can have a difficult time making informed decisions.

I know this stuff because I once worked as a telephone survey interviewer many years ago. Now, while those types of questions would be more suited to anonymous surveys than the census, they probably tried to include them into the census because of the difficulty of getting people to answer anonymous telephone surveys, which many people mistake for telemarketing calls.

My guess is that since people had to fill out the census anyways, they included those questions so people would answer them too. "If they're going to answer some basic questions for the census, why not ask them other questions that the federal government needs to know while we're at it and get more accurate answers?"
 
Re: Hmm, Why Has Bachmann Stopped Bashing The Census? Eric Kleefeld | January 4, 2010

ACORN was never going to be doing actual census taking. They where one of the organizations that was going to publicize the census.


Ah, Not so fast there Red.....


Judicial Watch, the public interest group that investigates and prosecutes government corruption, announced today that it has obtained documents from the U.S. Census Bureau detailing the substantial involvement of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) in the 2010 Census. Included among the 126 pages of documents, obtained by Judicial Watch under threat of a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit, is ACORN's original Census partnership application. The document describes 18 different areas of responsibility requested by the community organization, which is under investigation in multiple states for illegal activity during the 2008 election, including voter registration fraud.

The documents also list the types of organizations ineligible for partnering with the U.S. Census. They include: "...Hate groups, Law enforcement, anti-immigrant groups, any groups that might make people fearful of participating in the Census..." The release of these Obama Commerce Department documents comes in the wake of an Obama Department of Homeland Security report released in April linking opposition to illegal immigration to "rightwing extremist radicalization."

In its official statement responding to the ACORN controversy, the Obama Commerce Department downplayed ACORN's participation in the Census, and labeled "baseless" the notion that ACORN would be involved in any Census count. However, the Census Bureau offered ACORN the opportunity to "recruit Census workers" who would participate in the count. Moreover, as an "executive level" partner, ACORN has the ability to "organize and/or serve as a member on a Complete Count Committee," which, according to Census documents, helps "develop and implement locally based outreach and recruitment campaigns."

Judicial Watch Obtains Obama Commerce Department Documents Detailing ACORN Partnership for 2010 Census | Judicial Watch


So they would have been involved in the actual count.

What do you say to that?


j-mac
 
Re: Hmm, Why Has Bachmann Stopped Bashing The Census? Eric Kleefeld | January 4, 2010

It's not mandatory, but it gives the politicians less voting power in the senate and the house.

Actually it would give the representatives that remain more power, because there would be less of them.

Wait, what?! :confused:
 
Re: Hmm, Why Has Bachmann Stopped Bashing The Census? Eric Kleefeld | January 4, 2010

Not as funny as Dennis (brought to us on a UFO) Kucinisch.....:mrgreen:


j-mac
yeah, he's pretty funny. but at least he's smart.
 
Re: Hmm, Why Has Bachmann Stopped Bashing The Census? Eric Kleefeld | January 4, 2010

Ah, Not so fast there Red.....





So they would have been involved in the actual count.

What do you say to that?


j-mac

This is more recent: ACORN and the Census | FactCheck.org

But government officials have made it clear that that’s a far cry from having ACORN hire workers and conduct the census
 
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