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Hezbollah: It's Our 'Natural Right' to Have Drones

Klown said:
That's what Hitler said

It's a fundamental of fascism and totalitarian racism

An ethic the USA continued with great imperial and corporate fascist distinction
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It's really hard to take you seriously when you make such ridiculous statements. You do make a great Klown.
 
why am I always entertained by liberals/Democrats standing up for terrorist organizations?


anyways, Hezbollah has no rights... none... not one.
 
Klown said:
That's what Hitler said

It's a fundamental of fascism and totalitarian racism

An ethic the USA continued with great imperial and corporate fascist distinction
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Totalitarian regimes usually trend towards absolutism and ethnocentricity.
 
X Factor said:
It's really hard to take you seriously when you make such ridiculous statements.
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No, no, X. I'm Hitler. I knew it all along; it just took Klown for me to see the light. I'll start gathering minions. I wonder how the village is gonna feel about my new compound designs.
 
Muddy Creek said:
This came from an article on Common Dreams and is linked here

Hezbollah: It's Our 'Natural Right' to Have Drones | Common Dreams

Do you agree or disagree with the assertion?

By implication, or I'm taking it there, nuclear weapons, WMDs, etc are the natural right of all self-governing nations as well, not just a select few.

I agree with this. I don't think one nation has the right to deny others the very weapons they have. In addition, our MIC sells weapons to both sides in many wars.

What are your thoughts? Weapons of any kind the right for all nations to possess, or not?
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No country has a right to say what weapons another country can or can't have. One can ask other countries not to sell,give,lend or lease weapons to certain countries groups, but that is the most in regard to interference a country should be allowed to do.
 
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Thrilla said:
why am I always entertained by liberals/Democrats standing up for terrorist organizations?


anyways, Hezbollah has no rights... none... not one.
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Oh, I remember one right wing nut job White Sepremacist (since banned) that argued in favor of terrorism against Israel, actually he favored the complete destruction of the Jews (not just Israelis). Granted, that's an extreme example, and granted there are indeed leftists that support anything and anyone anti-Israel but there are also several liberals here who are rock solid in condemning terrorism.
 
X Factor said:
Oh, I remember one right wing nut job White Sepremacist (since banned) that argued in favor of terrorism against Israel, actually he favored the complete destruction of the Jews (not just Israelis). Granted, that's an extreme example, and granted there are indeed leftists that support anything and anyone anti-Israel but there are also several liberals here who are rock solid in condemning terrorism.
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I don't disagree at all...I think the vast majority of folks on both sides are pretty solid in condemning terrorism and terrorist organizations.
the serious kool aid drinkers are generally nuts, though.... these are the clowns that entertain me.
 
Thrilla said:
I don't disagree at all...I think the vast majority of folks on both sides are pretty solid in condemning terrorism and terrorist organizations.
the serious kool aid drinkers are generally nuts, though.... these are the clowns that entertain me.
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Some even self identify as klowns. ;)
 
Surtr said:
Totalitarian regimes usually trend towards absolutism and ethnocentricity.
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Youre right about that - Israel and the USA come to mind as prime examples of this trend

You make an excellent observation
 
jamesrage said:
No country has a right to say what weapons another country can or can't have. One can ask other countries not to sell,give,lend or lease weapons to certain countries groups, but that is the most in regard to interference a country should be allowed to do.
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Allowed by whom or what? And why?
 
Klown said:
The US used depleted uranium tipped weapons throughout the region.

In fact the attack on Fallujah is a case study.

I wonder why the incidence of cancer increased by a factor of 7 post US attack?

The USA has dumped approximately 70 metric tones of depleted uranium in Irag alone.

Are you aware of what the half life of depleted uranium is?
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Uranium is a very common substance believe it or not. Depleted uranium is inert radiologicaly. 70 metric tones is not that much uranium volume wise. It would fit in your closet very easily. It is some of the densest matierial you can get short of iridium. Depleted urainuim is dangerous if it is burned because it forms some really nasty chemicals. It tends not to form dusts. So really the main deal with it is when its burned.
 
PirateMk1 said:
Uranium is a very common substance believe it or not. Depleted uranium is inert radiologicaly. 70 metric tones is not that much uranium volume wise. It would fit in your closet very easily. It is some of the densest matierial you can get short of iridium. Depleted urainuim is dangerous if it is burned because it forms some really nasty chemicals. It tends not to form dusts. So really the main deal with it is when its burned.
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Actually, uranium itself is about as dangerous as lead. Sure, you do not want it in your food or water, but by itself it is pretty safe and stable.

And there are tons of civilian products that use uranium. Many inks for your ink jet printers use uranium, as well as dentures. A lot of newspaper inks also use it, as to aircraft and sailboats for ballast.

And some of the most sought after antique dishware, "Depression Glass" has it's unique colors because of uranium. Heck, it is even used now in golf clubs!

Island Breath: Radioactive Golf Clubs now available

I always laugh whenever the subject of DU comes up, because it is literally all over the place, and has been for decades.

Uranium is dangerous, just as any heavy metal is dangerous. Lithium, mercury, lead, uranium, cadmium, arsenic, antimony, even radium (even though this is a radioactive gas, it is still classified chemically as a metal). These are all deadly, but pretty safe and stable as long as contact is kept to a minimum.

Heck, even iron, copper, nickel, and flouride can be deadly. And there have even been deaths from excessive amounts of dihydrogen oxide.
 
Oozlefinch said:
Actually, uranium itself is about as dangerous as lead. Sure, you do not want it in your food or water, but by itself it is pretty safe and stable.

And there are tons of civilian products that use uranium. Many inks for your ink jet printers use uranium, as well as dentures. A lot of newspaper inks also use it, as to aircraft and sailboats for ballast.

And some of the most sought after antique dishware, "Depression Glass" has it's unique colors because of uranium. Heck, it is even used now in golf clubs!

Island Breath: Radioactive Golf Clubs now available

I always laugh whenever the subject of DU comes up, because it is literally all over the place, and has been for decades.

Uranium is dangerous, just as any heavy metal is dangerous. Lithium, mercury, lead, uranium, cadmium, arsenic, antimony, even radium (even though this is a radioactive gas, it is still classified chemically as a metal). These are all deadly, but pretty safe and stable as long as contact is kept to a minimum.

Heck, even iron, copper, nickel, and flouride can be deadly. And there have even been deaths from excessive amounts of dihydrogen oxide.
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Oh your very right uranium is everywhere. There are in fact nature fission reactors belive it or not. Uranium unless its hot radiologically or burned is not dangerous. I agree with ya. I guess I didnt make my point very well in my post.
 
PirateMk1 said:
Uranium is a very common substance believe it or not. Depleted uranium is inert radiologicaly. 70 metric tones is not that much uranium volume wise. It would fit in your closet very easily. It is some of the densest matierial you can get short of iridium. Depleted urainuim is dangerous if it is burned because it forms some really nasty chemicals. It tends not to form dusts. So really the main deal with it is when its burned.
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Not as common as you think - technically classed as a trace element. ITs not like Copper and Bauxite or Iron etc

Depleted Uranium is also is its metallic form, not in its ore form (such as yellow cake, U3O8 etc)

When Uranium enters the body then internal radiation exposure becomes a serious health risk as well as a source of genetic damage

Depleted Uranium is not radiologically inert - it's an alpha emitter, and has a half life of 4.5 billion years

Depleted Uranium also artaches directly to DNA.

You may need to research this well documented radiological health risk further prior to galloping into this forum with you dismissal apologetics and pseudo science
 
Klown said:
When Uranium enters the body then internal radiation exposure becomes a serious health risk as well as a source of genetic damage

Depleted Uranium is not radiologically inert - it's an alpha emitter, and has a half life of 4.5 billion years

Depleted Uranium also artaches directly to DNA.
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Another source of Alpha Particles is the sun, rotting leaves, fire, and air ionizers. Everybody has smoke detectors in their home, which detect smoke because it blocks a stream of alpha particles from one side of a gap to another. It is probably the easiest radiation particle to block, being stopped by a playing card (or as seen in smoke detectors, smoke can block alpha particles). However, like any heavy metal itself, alpha particles are very dangerous or even deadly when injested.

So once again, you either exagerate or mislead on what the danger really is here. Yes, Alpha Particles can be dangerous. But not enough Alpha Particles come off of Uranium to really worry about. But injesting is deadly, just like the injestion of any heavy metal.
 
Klown said:
Not as common as you think - technically classed as a trace element. ITs not like Copper and Bauxite or Iron etc

Depleted Uranium is also is its metallic form, not in its ore form (such as yellow cake, U3O8 etc)

When Uranium enters the body then internal radiation exposure becomes a serious health risk as well as a source of genetic damage

Depleted Uranium is not radiologically inert - it's an alpha emitter, and has a half life of 4.5 billion years

Depleted Uranium also artaches directly to DNA.

You may need to research this well documented radiological health risk further prior to galloping into this forum with you dismissal apologetics and pseudo science
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Your writing to someone who has delt with this material before. It is not dangerous in any nonordinary way. Everything is dangerous is just a matter of degree. Depleted uranium is just that depleted. By the way all matter has a half life not just uranium, and the half life will even differ by isotope. It can be handeled with gloved hand with no ill effects for extended periods of time. Depleted Uranium Alpha particals are LESS then 60% normal natrally occuring Uranium. Alpha particals cannot penatrate clothing. Further most heavy metals have the same sort of alpha partical levels. Its handling is similar to the way you would deal with arsenic or mercury. If you burn it you have problems. If you dont burn it normal handling procedures apply.

Depleted Uranium is a man made substance. Natural uranium is the 51st most abundant substance on the planet. Its very common.
 
Oozlefinch said:
Another source of Alpha Particles is the sun, rotting leaves, fire, and air ionizers. .
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Internal Radiation exposure - Look it up. You can handle a block of Plutonium in your hand due to the low penetration depth of the alpha particles that are emitted, however I wouldn't suggest that you eat any of it - even 1 micro gram of Plutonium ingested will almost certainly give you cancer and other health issues. Big difference between walking by a source of say Cs137 and receiving and external dose of radiation, AND being internally exposed to Cs137 which is a muscle tissue seeking radionucleotide. Strontium90 is in the same periodic group as Calcium and so its not surprising that internal exposure to Sr90 is linked with blood and bone cancer.

I can only assume youre an apologist for the nuclear power industry - a criminal Corpocratic instrument that has contaminated the Human Gene pool and created a health and environmental disaster for many millions of years to come.
 
PirateMk1 said:
Your writing to someone who has delt with this material before..
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You are welcome to sprinkle Depleted Uranium and other radionucleotides that take your fancy on your morning cereal if you wish

TO publically imply that Depleted Uranium has no health or genetic damage issues linked to it, is highly irresponsible - but then again this forum isn't a court of law nor is it peer reviewed.

You will have to approach someone else with your propaganda and lies - ignore!
 
Klown said:
You are welcome to sprinkle Depleted Uranium and other radionucleotides that take your fancy on your morning cereal if you wish

TO publically imply that Depleted Uranium has no health or genetic damage issues linked to it, is highly irresponsible - but then again this forum isn't a court of law nor is it peer reviewed.

You will have to approach someone else with your propaganda and lies - ignore!
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There are issues if you inhale it or ingest it like great many other materials. If you want to believe otherwise I am not stopping you.
 
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