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I am soooo loving this....... :2razz:
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"we might be able to have a decent discussion" Even a decent discussion will not find conservatives agreeable about much in this bill.Which has exactly what to do with what I said in the post you quoted?
"we might be able to have a decent discussion" Even a decent discussion will not find conservatives agreeable about much in this bill.
yeeeeeeeeeeeeeehawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!:mrgreen:
The bill is passed. We ain't going to change that. Does not mean we cannot have a decent discussion. I have decent discussions almost daily with people whose ideas I completely disagree with.
Well, one thing is for sure: The Democrat Party, what's left of it, have just cooked their own goose. They're done, dead meat, gone.
They will go into the history books as the Party that attempted to overthrow our Republic (The United States of America) and declare the Constitution dead.
Reagan said it best, "This is the last stand on earth. If we lose freedom here, there is no place else to go" (Or something very similar).
If this horrible abomination isn't overturned, or otherwise thrown out, freedom is dead forevermore. Until that happens (or until Obama is no longer President — the sooner the better), we are under a dictatorship.
Never before in our history has there been such a blatant attack on freedom from within our own government.
We will remember in November, and we will "throw these bastards out", as one radio host put it today.
We will not lose freedom here. These people have no idea what they've started.
Uh, if you can't afford it, the government will buy some or all of it for you. Read the bill.
That's 'cause you can punch them in the face. :rofl
That's 'cause you can punch them in the face. :rofl
Maybe passed. But the fight isn't over. This can be tied up in the courts for years, and my prediction is that it will be.
Fully 73% of Americans are againt this bill. The Democrats have clearly shown that they do not give a damn for the American people, for the United Sates, or for our liberty, for which thousands of Americans have died to defend since our founding.
This is WAR. I'm 66 and a Vietnam vet. Let the war begin. I am not goint to allow this idiot of a president (illegal as he is) and a bunch of anti-American Marxist Congressmen and Senators destroy my grand childrens liberty.
This guy has got to be removed from office by whatever means.
No. You had an old white guy running against a young black guy and when you really looked at the things they voted on or supported there wasn't enough difference to pick the old white guy, so youth won. There was plenty of substantive things about Obama's past, writings, and associations to say we would be exactly where we find ourselves, no one listened when it mattered.This is what lost Republicans the 2008 Presidential election. Instead of making informative arguements of why Obama's plans wouldn't work they said he was an illegal immigrant and was communist and hates America. Don't you guys ever learn?
Maybe passed. But the fight isn't over. This can be tied up in the courts for years, and my prediction is that it will be.
President Obama flew to Pennsylvania (home to five wavering House Democrats), Missouri (three wavering), Ohio (eight), and Virginia (four) to hold rallies with small, supportive crowds. In four days, Mr. Obama held 64 meetings or calls with congressmen. The goal was to let undecideds know that the president had them in his crosshairs, that he still had pull with the base, and he'd use it against them. By Saturday the tactic had yielded yes votes from at least half the previously undecided members of those states.
As for those who needed more persuasion: California Rep. Jim Costa bragged publicly that during his meeting in the Oval Office, he'd demanded the administration increase water to his Central Valley district. On Tuesday, Interior pushed up its announcement, giving the Central Valley farmers 25% of water supplies, rather than the expected 5% allocation. Mr. Costa, who denies there was a quid pro quo, on Saturday said he'd flip to a yes.
Florida Rep. Suzanne Kosmas (whose district is home to the Kennedy Space Center) admitted that in her own Thursday meeting with the president, she'd brought up the need for more NASA funding. On Friday she flipped to a yes. So watch the NASA budget.
Democrats inserted a new provision providing $100 million in extra Medicaid money for Tennessee. Retiring Tennessee Rep. Bart Gordon flipped to a yes vote on Thursday.
Outside heavies were enlisted to warn potential no votes that unions and other Democrats would run them out of Congress. Al Lawson, a Tallahassee liberal challenging Blue Dog Florida Rep. Allen Boyd in a primary, made Mr. Boyd's previous no vote the centerpiece of his criticism. The SEIU threatened to yank financial support for New York's Michael McMahon. The liberal Working Families Party said it would deny him a ballot line. Obama deputy campaign manager Steve Hildebrand vowed to challenge South Dakota Rep. Stephanie Herseth Sandlin if she voted no. New York's Scott Murphy was targeted as a part of a $1.3 million union-financed ad campaign to pressure him to flip. Moveon.Org spent another $36,000 on ads in his district and promised a primary. Messrs. Boyd and Murphy caved on Friday.
All the while Mrs. Pelosi was desperately working to provide cover with a Congressional Budget Office score that would claim the bill "saved" money. To do it, Democrats threw in a further $66 billion in Medicare cuts and another $50 billion in taxes. Huzzah! In the day following the CBO score, about a half-dozen Democrats who had spent the past months complaining the bill already had too many taxes and Medicare cuts now said they were voting to reduce the deficit.
Even with all this, by Friday Mrs. Pelosi was dealing with a new problem: The rule changes and deals winning her votes were losing her votes, too. The public backlash against "deem and pass" gave several wary Democrats—such as Massachusetts's Stephen Lynch and California's Dennis Cardoza—a new excuse to vote no.
Mrs. Pelosi jettisoned deem and pass. Once-solid Democrat yes votes wanted their own concessions. Oregon's Pete DeFazio threatened to lead a revolt unless changes were made to Medicare payments to benefit his state. On Saturday Mrs. Pelosi cut a deal to give 17 states additional Medicare money.
By the weekend, all the pressure and threats and bribes had left the speaker three to five votes short. Her remaining roadblock was those pro-life members who'd boxed themselves in on abortion, saying they would vote against the Senate bill unless it barred public funding of abortion. Mrs. Pelosi's first instinct was to go around this bloc, getting the votes elsewhere. She couldn't.
Into Saturday night, Michigan's Bart Stupak and Mrs. Pelosi wrangled over options. The stalemate? Any change that gave Mr. Stupak what he wanted in law would lose votes from pro-choice members. The solution? Remove it from Congress altogether, having the president instead sign a meaningless executive order affirming that no public money should go to pay for abortions.
The order won't change the Senate legal language—as pro-choice Democrats publicly crowed within minutes of the Stupak deal. Executive orders can be changed or eliminated on a whim. Pro-life groups condemned the order as the vote-getting ruse it was. Nevertheless, Mr. Stupak and several of his colleagues voted yes, paving the way to Mrs. Pelosi's final vote tally of 219.
Even in these waning minutes, Senate Democrats were playing their own games. Republicans announced they had found language in the House reconciliation bill that could doom this entire "fix" in the Senate. Since many House Democrats only agreed to vote for the Senate bill on promises that the sidecar reconciliation would pass, this was potentially a last-minute killer.
Senate Democrats handled it by deliberately refusing to meet with Republicans and the Senate parliamentarian to get a ruling, lest it be unfavorable and lose House votes. The dodge was a clear dereliction of duty, but Democrats figure the Senate parliamentarian won't dare derail this process after ObamaCare passes. They are probably right.
So there you have it, folks: "How a Bill Becomes a Law," at least in Obama-Pelosi land.
OK I get people don't like the bill, but seriously? Learn to not overreact.
Also, I am pretty sure people were saying the Republican Party was dead after the 2008 election, and look how that turned out.
Fully 73% of Americans are againt this bill.
Just no.
RealClearPolitics - Election Other - Obama and Democrats' Health Care Plan
50.5 % average of polls through yesterday against.
CNN poll: 59 percent of Americans oppose just-passed health-reform bill | Jay Bookman
59 % opposed, with 13 % of those opposed because it is not liberal enough. This poll from today.
That's pretty liberal. :lol: j/kit ISN'T liberal enough
doing away with the PUBLIC OPTION and replacing it with a mandate to buy PRIVATE insurance is just STUPID
it ISN'T liberal enough
doing away with the PUBLIC OPTION and replacing it with a mandate to buy PRIVATE insurance is just STUPID
This is what lost Republicans the 2008 Presidential election. Instead of making informative arguements of why Obama's plans wouldn't work they said he was an illegal immigrant and was communist and hates America. Don't you guys ever learn?
I was really hoping it'd be shot down. Damnit.
it's NOT 73% unpopular
no, it's only FIFTY SIX % down in EVERY POLL conducted in the last week
LOL!
now there's a MIGHTY justification for completely redrawing ONE SIXTH of the united states economy
along purely partisan, extremist and bribe-strewn lines
decent discussion, indeed
LOL!
Stupid how? We end up paying for the uninsured anyway. This bill will save billions by keeping them out of emergency rooms and practicing preventative medicine. You people just keep embarrassing yourselves by repeating the dumbest things.
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