Heading for NATO borders: Russia already has phases 2 and 3 planned after Ukraine

[Tigerace117]

What tears? Oh, that's right. JMSU (Just making shit up)

Please. Explain the "McCarthyist bullcrap" nonsense.

Use words.

Endlessly accusing others of “loving Putin” or being “Russian agents” or “posting Russian propaganda” or any number of other drivel.

Duh.

 

[lwf]

This calls to mind the Steven Spielberg movie Minority Report starring Tom Cruise, where a specialised police department apphrehends criminals based on foreknowledge from psychs of future crimes they will commit. Seems like Roque Valley's Precrime Department has analysed the available data and determined two or three future crimes Putin will perpetrate if not stopped

I read the OP more as a warning that other non-NATO countries in Europe would be smart to start their journey to NATO membership sooner rather than later.

 

[Fledermaus]

Endlessly accusing others of “loving Putin” or being “Russian agents” or “posting Russian propaganda” or any number of other drivel.

How does accurately assessing your posts become "McCarthyist bullcrap" nonsense.

You are literally charging into (Almost) every thread about Russia and engaging in whataboutism, denial, playing the NAZI card and general BS.

That is what you are doing.

LITERALLY.

 

[Tigerace117]

How does accurately assessing your posts become "McCarthyist bullcrap" nonsense.

You are literally charging into (Almost) every thread about Russia and engaging in whataboutism, denial, playing the NAZI card and general BS.

That is what you are doing.

LITERALLY.

Except you did no such thing. You merely started sobbing “but....but....Putin!” because I rejected the fearmongering.

As usual, your tantrum has everything to do with your mindless hatred and desperation to cry about me instead of coming up with an actual argument

.

 

[Fledermaus]

I quoted the OP. Are you literally blind?

It’s not my fault you apparently don’t know what quoting is, or that you are in tears because nobody’s buying the hysterical fearmongering.

Quote any imagined "hysterical" statements.

There was no "hysterical" statements in the OP.

There were reasoned statements about the possibility/potential Russian actions in the future.

 

[Tigerace117]

Quote any imagined "hysterical" statements.

There was no "hysterical" statements in the OP.

There were reasoned statements about the possibility/potential Russian actions in the future.

The literal premise of the OP.

It’s nothing different than the endlesss fearmongering about the Soviets invading at any minute, when in reality they had no intention of doing so and thought we were about to attack THEM for most of the 1980s.

 

[Fledermaus]

Except you did no such thing. You merely started sobbing “but....but....Putin!” because I rejected the fearmongering.

Quote me.

As usual, your tantrum has everything to do with your mindless hatred and desperation to cry about me instead of coming up with an actual argument

Look at all the accusation.

 

[Fledermaus]

The literal premise of the OP.

No. It isn't.

There was no "hysterical" statements in the OP.

There were reasoned statements about the possibility/potential Russian actions in the future.

It’s nothing different than the endlesss fearmongering about the Soviets invading at any minute, when in reality they had no intention of doing so and thought we were about to attack THEM for most of the 1980s.

And that is Grade A whataboutism.

And RUSSIA has invaded.

Ukraine.

It ain't fearmongering if it is happening in the here and now.

 

[Tigerace117]

Quote me.



Look at all the accusation.

I already did in post 22.

Your shtick isn’t particularly complicated bud.

 

[Tigerace117]

No. It isn't.

There was no "hysterical" statements in the OP.

There were reasoned statements about the possibility/potential Russian actions in the future.



And that is Grade A whataboutism.

And RUSSIA has invaded.

Ukraine.

It ain't fearmongering if it is happening in the here and now.

Yes, it was. It was hysterical fearmongering. Nobody is “heading for NATO borders”.

The Soviet Union invaded countries as well. Just like this, there was endless fearmongering about them invading all sorts of other countries.

Guess what?

It didn’t happen.

Just like the Russians haven’t invaded Moldova.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

You literally just posted a thread claiming Russia is too disrupted to fight another war.

Now all of a sudden they are going to fight two additional wars?

Cut the crap.

You've been so wrong so often, nobody here can take you seriously. You spent weeks arguing that Russia would never invade Ukraine and anybody who suggests it might happen (like the US) are war mongers trying to provoke war.

Nobody cares about the opinion of someone who's been this consistently wrong and actively defends Russia and Putin.

 

[Tigerace117]

You've been so wrong so often, nobody here can take you seriously. You spent weeks arguing that Russia would never invade Ukraine and anybody who suggests it might happen (like the US) are war mongers trying to provoke war.

Nobody cares about the opinion of someone who's been this consistently wrong and actively defends Russia and Putin.

Yawn. Another day, another round of petulant whining from you. Apparently you cared enough to add some self righteous sputtering about how anyone who doesn’t buy into the constant, incessant fearmongering “defends Russia”.

 

[Fledermaus]

I already did in post 22.

Your shtick isn’t particularly complicated bud.

 

[Tigerace117]

Yawn.

 

[Fledermaus]

Yes, it was. It was hysterical fearmongering.

Not to people who know and understand what is going on.

It isn't "hysterical". That would better describe your response to reasoned discussions.

People (including me) thought the same before the RUSSIAN INVASION you keep refusing to discuss.

Nobody is “heading for NATO borders”.

Not yet.

The Soviet Union invaded countries as well. Just like this, there was endless fearmongering about them invading all sorts of other countries.

The entire Eastern Bloc laughs at your "fearmongering" talk.

Guess what?

It didn’t happen.

Hungary never happened? Czechoslovakia? Vietnam? The list goes on and on.

Just like the Russians haven’t invaded Moldova.

Yet.

No one says they have. Strawman.

 

[Juks]

So in other words we are theorizing that, at some vague point in the far future, they are going to attack....for the lolz.

Yeah, again, cut the crap.

I believe it is this speach from last summer that Putin made that is the origin of the "theorizing" above.

Article by Vladimir Putin ”On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians“

en.kremlin.ru

So, not so much crap after al... Here is a map of the area that Putin says is Russian. It includes for example Lithauia and Moldova

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/32/Truce_of_Andrusovo_1667.PNG

 

[Chagos]

I believe it is this speach from last summer that Putin made that is the origin of the "theorizing" above.

Article by Vladimir Putin ”On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians“

en.kremlin.ru

So, not so much crap after al... Here is a map of the area that Putin says is Russian. It includes for example Lithauia and Moldova

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/32/Truce_of_Andrusovo_1667.PNG

Looks like Vlad totally flunked history at school.

But very telling, the last sentence:

And what Ukraine will be – it is up to its citizens to decide.

Looks lie Ukrainians agree at least on that one.

 

[Evilroddy]

Looks like Vlad totally flunked history at school.

But very telling, the last sentence:

And what Ukraine will be – it is up to its citizens to decide.

Looks lie Ukrainians agree at least on that one.

Chagos:

See bolded.

Freudian slip or clumsy typing, I wonder?

Just having some fun.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

 

[Juin]

I read the OP more as a warning that other non-NATO countries in Europe would be smart to start their journey to NATO membership sooner rather than later.

It can be read that way. But stopping Putin is also a way of eliminating that necessity.

 

[Chagos]

Chagos:

See bolded.

Freudian slip or clumsy typing, I wonder?

Just having some fun.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

Bah!

 

[Tigerace117]

I believe it is this speach from last summer that Putin made that is the origin of the "theorizing" above.

Article by Vladimir Putin ”On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians“

en.kremlin.ru

So, not so much crap after al... Here is a map of the area that Putin says is Russian. It includes for example Lithauia and Moldova

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/32/Truce_of_Andrusovo_1667.PNG

We’re going off a map from the mid 1600s? We might as well worry about the Poles then, they might start trying to reclaim all “their” land from then too

 

[Tigerace117]

Not to people who know and understand what is going on.

It isn't "hysterical". That would better describe your response to reasoned discussions.

People (including me) thought the same before the RUSSIAN INVASION you keep refusing to discuss.



Not yet.



The entire Eastern Bloc laughs at your "fearmongering" talk.



Hungary never happened? Czechoslovakia? Vietnam? The list goes on and on.



Yet.

No one says they have. Strawman.

The Soviet Union never invaded Vietnam. China did, but we were totally okay with that since we we still upset the Vietnamese humiliated us. Congrats bud, you get a 67 percent. That’s a D. Better luck next time

The “entire eastern bloc” jumps at every shadow they see for fear that Russia might somehow, someway be hiding behind it. Paranoia is not something to be admired.

 

[Fledermaus]

The Soviet Union never invaded Vietnam.

Soviet Union and all her client states supported North Vietnam. Which in turn invaded South Vietnam. Just as North Korea invaded South Korea with the USSR's blessing.

China did, but we were totally okay with that since we we(sic) still upset the Vietnamese humiliated us. Congrats bud, you get a 67 percent. That’s a D. Better luck next time

We who? WTF are you babbling about now?

The “entire eastern bloc” jumps at every shadow they see for fear that Russia might somehow, someway be hiding behind it.

Russian oppression for half a century will do that.

Paranoia is not something to be admired.

It isn't paranoia. It is understanding history far more than you.

 

[Fledermaus]

We’re going off a map from the mid 1600s? We might as well worry about the Poles then, they might start trying to reclaim all “their” land from then too

No. Read for comprehension. Putin is.

 

[Tigerace117]

Soviet Union and all her client states supported North Vietnam. Which in turn invaded South Vietnam. Just as North Korea invaded South Korea with the USSR's blessing.



We who? WTF are you babbling about now?



Russian oppression for half a century will do that.



It isn't paranoia. It is understanding history far more than you.

Which is different than the Soviet Union actually invading a country, like, gee, they did in the other two “examples” you tried.

So, as usual, your excuse falls flat on its face. You might as well claim the US invaded East Timor since that invasion went ahead with full American and Australian support.

America. Duh. Who did you think I was talking about, the Martians?

And it doesn’t make said paranoia any more valid.

Gee, by that standard Venezuelan and Cuban paranoia about the “American threat” are entirely valid as well.