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Hamas not a terrorist group, says Turkey's PM Recep Tayyip Erdogan

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This would explain a lot... :roll:

Hamas are resistance fighters who are struggling to defend their land. They have won an election," Recep Tayyip Erdogan said yesterday in a speech broadcast live on television.

"I have told this to US officials... I do not accept Hamas as a terrorist organisation. I think the same today. They are defending their land."

The United States and the European Union blacklist Hamas as a terrorist group despite its victory in Palestinian elections in 2006.

He lashed out at Western powers for denying Hamas a chance to shift to a democratic platform.

"Why didn't you give them an opportunity? Let them wage a democratic struggle," he said, his speech often interrupted by a cheering crowd of party supporters...
Link to Article - Herald Sun
 

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And with them siding with Iran, it explains the direction they are going.
 

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If Mexico occupied Houston, TX, the inhabitants would probably be rather upset. And Hamas was elected.

This isn't to say that Hamas is blameless in this conflict, far from it. My point is that labeling them EVILDOERS and calling it a day isn't the way to go about it. Israel surrounds and occupies that stretch of land, and the people who live there aren't allowed to leave. They're prisoners kept in perpetual poverty. These people don't have the military capacity to repel Israel, so they resort to guerrilla tactics and things escalate from there.

In America we say the power to govern is granted by the people. The people who live in Gaza did not grant that right to Israel, and they want them the heck out of their country.

Israelies, on the other hand, are surrounded by nations that wouldn't mind turning their country into a smoking crater, including some of the people in Gaza,so they do have legitimate security concerns.
 

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If Mexico occupied Houston, TX, the inhabitants would probably be rather upset. And Hamas was elected.

This isn't to say that Hamas is blameless in this conflict, far from it. My point is that labeling them EVILDOERS and calling it a day isn't the way to go about it. Israel surrounds and occupies that stretch of land, and the people who live there aren't allowed to leave. They're prisoners kept in perpetual poverty. These people don't have the military capacity to repel Israel, so they resort to guerrilla tactics and things escalate from there.

In America we say the power to govern is granted by the people. The people who live in Gaza did not grant that right to Israel, and they want them the heck out of their country.

Israelies, on the other hand, are surrounded by nations that wouldn't mind turning their country into a smoking crater, including some of the people in Gaza,so they do have legitimate security concerns.
Do you have a link for that?

Hint: Not being allowed free run of Israel would not constitute "aren't allowed to leave"

I believe the blockade only stops ships from coming in without inspections..... I doubt anyone would be stopped from leaving.
 

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If Mexico occupied Houston, TX, the inhabitants would probably be rather upset. And Hamas was elected.
Hitler was legally appointed to chancelor, too. Should we have just left him alone? The only reason Hamas isn't doing what Hitler did, is because they can't.

This isn't to say that Hamas is blameless in this conflict, far from it. My point is that labeling them EVILDOERS and calling it a day isn't the way to go about it. Israel surrounds and occupies that stretch of land, and the people who live there aren't allowed to leave. They're prisoners kept in perpetual poverty. These people don't have the military capacity to repel Israel, so they resort to guerrilla tactics and things escalate from there.

In America we say the power to govern is granted by the people. The people who live in Gaza did not grant that right to Israel, and they want them the heck out of their country.

Israelies, on the other hand, are surrounded by nations that wouldn't mind turning their country into a smoking crater, including some of the people in Gaza,so they do have legitimate security concerns.

Hamas has declared war upon Israel. Israel has every right to defend herself, however she sees fit. If the Palestinians really wanted peace, there would be peace. But, the election of Hamas proves that the Palestinians aren't interested in peace, only the destruction of Israel.
 

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Hitler was legally appointed to chancelor, too. Should we have just left him alone? The only reason Hamas isn't doing what Hitler did, is because they can't.




Hamas has declared war upon Israel. Israel has every right to defend herself, however she sees fit. If the Palestinians really wanted peace, there would be peace. But, the election of Hamas proves that the Palestinians aren't interested in peace, only the destruction of Israel.
Damn it apdst, didn't you know Israel is just supposed roll over and die? How dare they defend their people from rocket attacks and suicide bombers.

Didn’t you get the Lib memo? Sheesh, wakeup!
 

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Damn it apdst, didn't you know Israel is just supposed roll over and die? How dare they defend their people from rocket attacks and suicide bombers.

Didn’t you get the Lib memo? Sheesh, wakeup!
You're right! My bad! :rofl
 

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Hitler was legally appointed to chancelor, too. Should we have just left him alone? The only reason Hamas isn't doing what Hitler did, is because they can't.
Truer words were never spoken
 

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Just got this week's edition of The Economist... I have lost almost all my respect for that magazine. Besides being anti-zionist (which is nothing new) it's viewpoint is bordering Hamas-sympathetic.

I still got more years in my life, I'd rather not see it end in a world in which fallacy takes precedence over fact.
 

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I still got more years in my life, I'd rather not see it end in a world in which fallacy takes precedence over fact.
I think a friend of mine said it best. He said that the spirit of our age, our zeitgeist is deception. We live in the Disinformation Age.
 

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The Turkish PM is wrong in this case. I don't think there is much we can do about it, but it is an incredibly foolish statement.
Doubt that it was a spontaneous "mis-speak". He knew what he was saying and it was likely calculated/directed to a particular audience....



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Doubt that it was a spontaneous "mis-speak". He knew what he was saying and it was likely calculated/directed to a particular audience....



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Oh yes. Was not trying to suggest it was a mis-speak. It was intentional, and stupid.
 

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Just got this week's edition of The Economist... I have lost almost all my respect for that magazine. Besides being anti-zionist (which is nothing new) it's viewpoint is bordering Hamas-sympathetic.

I still got more years in my life, I'd rather not see it end in a world in which fallacy takes precedence over fact.
What you are witnessing is called a paradigm shift. When a tipping point is reached, the general perception of a situation switches, almost overnight, from one position to another, with no perceptible gentle drifting but a wholesale change from one view to another. This is a concept well described in the work of Thomas Kuhn.

The Economist is a centre-right, economically liberal, socially conservative magazine whose allegiances have little to do with religion, ethnicity or tradition and have everything to do with promoting the interests of global capital, because of (or despite) being part-owned by the Rothschild family. What they are reflecting is a watershed in the attitude of western capitalism towards the Israeli-American concensus on Middle Eastern affairs.

The IDF action in International waters on Tuesday morning may have a significance greater than it merits by having triggered the shift that makes western liberal capital flee from associations that damage the perception of its values across the World. I don't say this with any certainty, but when a publication such as The Economist begins to eschew that Israeli-American axis, you can be sure that a significant stream of global capital is thinking similarly.
 

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This would explain a lot... :roll:



Link to Article - Herald Sun
This explains a lot.
Now we have a NATO "ally" siding with terrorist enema's, or at a minimum unable to differentiate between a terrorist and non-terrorist organization.
All intel to Turkey should be cut off immediately, or they should be fed false info to see what comes of it.

I hope Europeans get a shot of sobriety and find other vacation destinations other than Turkey.
The only way to make them wake up is to hit them in the pocket book.

My bet is it will be barely reported.

I wonder... would this have happened under Bush?
I highly doubt it.

But... given the opportunity with a weak president, they have to seize the moment... now!

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Hitler was legally appointed to chancelor, too. Should we have just left him alone? The only reason Hamas isn't doing what Hitler did, is because they can't.




Hamas has declared war upon Israel. Israel has every right to defend herself, however she sees fit. If the Palestinians really wanted peace, there would be peace. But, the election of Hamas proves that the Palestinians aren't interested in peace, only the destruction of Israel.
If Hamas ceased to exist today and all its active members were to be vaporized, the world would be better off
 

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If Hamas ceased to exist today and all its active members were to be vaporized, the world would be better off
No..... it would get blamed on Bush. :mrgreen:
 
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Hamas is a popularly elected political party. To say that it is simply a "terrorist organization" is simplifying to the situation to a ridiculous extent. Life isn't that simple, no matter how difficult it is for you to deal with it.
 

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Hamas is a popularly elected political party. To say that it is simply a "terrorist organization" is simplifying to the situation to a ridiculous extent. Life isn't that simple, no matter how difficult it is for you to deal with it.
It may not only be a terrorist organization, but it does have an accepted terrorist element, which does make it a terrorist organization to my mind.
 

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Hamas is a popularly elected political party. To say that it is simply a "terrorist organization" is simplifying to the situation to a ridiculous extent. Life isn't that simple, no matter how difficult it is for you to deal with it.
The Nazi Party was a popularly elected political party and it doesn't change what the Nazis were and still are. Hugo Chavez is a popularly elected president and it doesn't make him any less of an asshole. Being, "popularly elected", doesn't instantaniously lend credibility to anyone.
 

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Hamas is a popularly elected political party. To say that it is simply a "terrorist organization" is simplifying to the situation to a ridiculous extent. Life isn't that simple, no matter how difficult it is for you to deal with it.
Let's see....

In it's charter it calls for the total destruction of Israel.

It goes about this stated goal by firing unguided missiles into Israeli cities.

It uses it's own people as human shields.

It sends suicide bombers to indiscriminately kill Israelis.

It trains children to become suicide bombers.

Yup, just your run of the mill political party. :roll:
 

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The Nazi Party was a popularly elected political party and it doesn't change what the Nazis were and still are. Hugo Chavez is a popularly elected president and it doesn't make him any less of an asshole. Being, "popularly elected", doesn't instantaniously lend credibility to anyone.
10/4..... just look at what got popularly elected in this country. :shock:
 

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The Nazi Party was a popularly elected political party and it doesn't change what the Nazis were and still are. Hugo Chavez is a popularly elected president and it doesn't make him any less of an asshole. Being, "popularly elected", doesn't instantaniously lend credibility to anyone.
Godwin's law. Do we have to bring Nazi's into everything? The point could be made without upping the rhetoric to that level.
 

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The Nazi Party was a popularly elected political party and it doesn't change what the Nazis were and still are. Hugo Chavez is a popularly elected president and it doesn't make him any less of an asshole. Being, "popularly elected", doesn't instantaniously lend credibility to anyone.
Certainly didn't with: Bush, Howard, Thatcher, Sarkozy, Putin, Karzai, Berlusconi, Shinawatr, Reagan... see the company Hamas is keeping?
 

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Hitler was legally appointed to chancelor, too. Should we have just left him alone? The only reason Hamas isn't doing what Hitler did, is because they can't.

Hamas has declared war upon Israel. Israel has every right to defend herself, however she sees fit. If the Palestinians really wanted peace, there would be peace. But, the election of Hamas proves that the Palestinians aren't interested in peace, only the destruction of Israel.
Maybe you should read my post again because maybe you'll see the part where I didn't say anything you seem to be accusing me of. Also, nice work on the Godwin thing.
 
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