• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Guaido Seeks to Cooperate with US Forces In Order to Take Power

oneworld2 said:
You asked for evidence of thugs working for Maduro A) being willing to go after those who "voted the wrong way" and B) doing so. I provided evidence of both those events and you circled up in a ball crying "no no no".

Meanwhile in the real world......

Amnesty International: Crimes Against Humanity Have Been Carried Out in Venezuela | Caracas Chronicles

"Amnesty International’s new report on the human rights abuses in Venezuela indicates that 1,023 protests demanding Maduro’s resignation occurred only between January 21st and 25th, following Juan Guaidó’s swearing in as Caretaker President. In those five days, 47 people were killed, most of them in formerly chavista-friendly, low-income neighborhoods, all from gunshot wounds. One National Guard officer was also killed. January 23rd became the day with the highest number of recorded detentions in the last 20 years, with 770 out of the 980 total reported.

The report was researched from January 31st to February 17th, by an Amnesty International team that visited Lara, Yaracuy, Vargas and Caracas. They interviewed 70 people and analyzed 72 audiovisual samples, focusing on 15 well-documented crimes, eight of which were fatal. They tried to interview several Venezuelan government officers as well, including Maduro. Unsurprisingly, none of them responded to their requests.

After a quick account of the abuses committed in the 2014 and 2017 protests, the report highlights events that happened immediately after Guaidó started calling for massive demonstrations. According to the authors, those five days marked the beginning of an escalation that led to extremely serious human rights violations.

The most dramatic cases are murders of targeted protesters in deprived areas of the country. Reports studied say that at least 11 people were executed between January 21st and 25th. The team registered six of them, all with gunshots in the upper thorax and presented as criminals who died in clashes with the police, contrary to the claims of witnesses.

In Carora, Lara, two young men were executed on January 23rd,after being linked to a viral audio announcing protests in the city.

“Luis Enrique Ramos Suárez was 29 years old when he was extrajudicially executed by members of the FAES on 24 January 2019 in the city of Carora. He was critical of the government and, together with several members of his family, he participated in the march that took place in Carora on 23 January. His nickname, ‘Cabeza de Piña’, appeared in the audio that had gone viral that day as one of the leaders of the alleged seizure of power. On 24 January at around 15:00, more than 20 heavily armed members of the FAES, most of them hooded, carried out an illegal raid on the home Luis Enrique Ramos Suárez. The 10 members of the family who were in the house, six of whom were children, were held there. In addition, FAES officials warned neighbours to hide and at least one nearby house was raided by the FAES who forced those inside to lie on the ground for hours so that there would be no eyewitnesses.”

Ramos was shot dead minutes later.


According to witnesses interviewed, FAES then fired inside his house to simulate a confrontation. An independent forensic expert consulted by the authors of the report examined pictures of the corpse and concluded he showed signs of torture. The official account states he died while shooting at the police from a nearby house.


There’s also accounts of the deaths of Alixon Pisani and Nick Samuel Oropeza, both killed by GNB and police officers in demonstrations. According to Amnesty International, there’s evidence that officers used lethal force even though protesters didn’t pose a threat to them. Another protester whose identity was kept secret was also shot in the leg, but survived. Beyond those killed, Amnesty International says that almost a thousand protesters, including 137 children, were detained between January 21st and 25th, and were accused of being terrorists and coup plotters. They identified serious flaws in due process in 90% of the cases reviewed.

Amnesty International concludes that the systematic abuses committed by security forces in January 2019 were notorious and public, and therefore known by the authorities and government officers. These crimes, particularly extrajudicial killings, represent an escalation to a repression policy in place since at least 2014. According to their analysis, civilians were systematically and willingly targeted by state forces, which fits the Rome Statute of the International Crime Court’s definition for crimes against humanity.


The report may not have immediate consequences, but it’s definitely one of the strongest evidences of the crimes committed by Nicolás Maduro’s regime in Venezuela, and will hopefully prove to be very valuable in the future."
Click to expand...
 
Fledermaus said:
TRANSLATION: You can't figure out where you failed.
Click to expand...

No , translation is you don't know how to discuss things, thinking that talking in riddles with a code somehow gives you the feeling of being in control/having the upper hand

Grow up
 
marke said:
You are right. I do not know .........................
Click to expand...

Yep , you don't know what socialism consists of nor why Venezuela was never a socialist run/organised state. Clue , you can vote for socialists without them running the country as a socialist system
 
oneworld2 said:
No , translation is you don't know how to discuss things, thinking that talking in riddles with a code somehow gives you the feeling of being in control/having the upper hand

Grow up
Click to expand...

It was a simple question. Something more than one article spoke about. Something I spoke about....

But feel free to continue failing.
 
Tigerace117 said:
And slick is a Neo Confederate who idolizes Nathan Bedford Forrest and thinks the problem with Venezuela is that the leadership isn't "white enough". Using him as a credible source on others is not a great idea, to put it mildly.
Click to expand...

I don't know them well enough to make any calls and haven't " used him as a credible source ". In fact I haven't " used " him as a source for anything at all , that's just your imagination running away with you again.

As for the Venezuelan leadership not being " white enough " , well , if anyone is supporting the old post colonialists rule by whitey it's people who are supporting Guaido and co..............and that means people like you :roll:

If you haven't noticed the white and wealthy hatred of all things Chavismo in Venezuela since the fall from power it suffered with the election of Hugo Chavez all those years ago you haven't been watching!!

In Venezuela, White Supremacy Is a Key Driver of the Coup
 
Fledermaus said:
It was a simple question. Something more than one article spoke about. Something I spoke about....

But feel free to continue failing.
Click to expand...

The only one failing is you beause of your willingness to ignore facts that undermine your preferred view.
 
Tigerace117 said:
You asked for evidence of thugs working for Maduro A) being willing to go after those who "voted the wrong way" and B) doing so. I provided evidence of both those events and you circled up in a ball crying "no no no".

Meanwhile in the real world......
Click to expand...

I mean , just how many times are you intending to move the goalposts here ? It's gettig more absurd by the minute/post

You claimed that people , the 2/3s that neglected to take part in the 2016 elections , did so because they feared they would be murdered or put in dungeons for voting the wrong way.

I then gave you the results of a poll taken around that time that gave the numerous reasons people stated as the reason why they anstained from those elections........... none of your two reasons featured. A fact you blissfully ignored and continue to ignore. First failure

You then decided to ( move the goalposts ) use links alleging some ministerial collaborations with drug runners as " proof " for the claims made that I have repeated in the above. Obviously drug running, whether true or false , doesn't back the claims you made .......... you failed again

Now you have, in a chronological goalpost shift , referred to events starting from January this year after Guaido decided to announce himself as president and the political violence that has followed it. Clue , this is 2019 NOT 2016 when the elections took place and your accusations/claims stem from. All without missing a beat and any mention that both sides have engaged in political violence against the other side.

The killing of opposition supporters in Venezuelan politics by BOTH SIDES predates even Maduros tenure as president and your willingness to cite unrelated events and bend time to try to manufacture some substance to your claims appears to know no bounds.
 
Fledermaus said:
Hey, look.

Oneworld fail 47 of 100.

Collect them all!
Click to expand...

Mine will be collectable , your own are so plentiful so as to take up entire lives of any wouldbe collectors
 
Fledermaus said:
Still waiting for the US intervention you were babbling about.
Click to expand...

The US has been interfering in Venezuelan politics since forever so I don't understand how you can say you are still waiting. Not only Venezuela but all of Latin and Central America if we are being truthful seeing as it's leaders arrogantly see it as their backyard
 
oneworld2 said:
The US has been interfering in Venezuelan politics since forever so I don't understand how you can say you are still waiting. Not only Venezuela but all of Latin and Central America if we are being truthful seeing as it's leaders arrogantly see it as their backyard
Click to expand...

Come on... The US intervention... Where is it?

I see a VENEZUELAN and a VENEZUELAN assembly in conflict with Maduro....
 
Fledermaus said:
Come on... The US intervention... Where is it?

I see a VENEZUELAN and a VENEZUELAN assembly in conflict with Maduro....
Click to expand...

It's what you choose NOT to see that is more enlightening
 
Fledermaus said:
Instead of Coup d'Etat this should be called Coup d'Escargot.

Slowest Coup EVER....
Click to expand...

Maduro is staying, Guido I think even the USA has decided is a lightweight who they should never have banked on as
a leader:

Venezuela Politics - Presidential Propositions
December 31st, 2019 at 11:59:59 pm US Eastern Time
Wed 1/1 2001 Nicolas Maduro is President on 12/31/19 -390
12:01AM 2002 Nicolas Maduro not President on 12/31/19 +270
 
slick said:
Maduro is staying, Guido I think even the USA has decided is a lightweight who they should never have banked on as
a leader:

Venezuela Politics - Presidential Propositions
December 31st, 2019 at 11:59:59 pm US Eastern Time
Wed 1/1 2001 Nicolas Maduro is President on 12/31/19 -390
12:01AM 2002 Nicolas Maduro not President on 12/31/19 +270
Click to expand...

Worst coup ever.
 
Fledermaus said:
Still waiting for the US intervention you were babbling about.
Click to expand...

The US has been intervening in the politics of Venezuela since forever how come you are probably the only person on the planet to be" still waiting " for it :lamo

Why just recently they cut spending to Central America in order to bankroll the flakey Venezuelan opposition

There are none so blind as those who refuse to see
 
oneworld2 said:
The US has been intervening in the politics of Venezuela since forever how come you are probably the only person on the planet to be" still waiting " for it :lamo

Why just recently they cut spending to Central America in order to bankroll the flakey Venezuelan opposition

There are none so blind as those who refuse to see
Click to expand...

Worst coup EVER.....

It's almost as if there is no US actions against the proto-dictator...
 
oneworld2 said:
The US has been intervening in the politics of Venezuela since forever how come you are probably the only person on the planet to be" still waiting " for it :lamo

Why just recently they cut spending to Central America in order to bankroll the flakey Venezuelan opposition

There are none so blind as those who refuse to see
Click to expand...

Oneworld2:

Here is an LA Times article from July 16, 2019 verifying your claim that USAID has taken monies earmarked for Central America in order to fund the Venezuelan opposition which is floundering right now. So the case is a solid one.

Trump administration diverts Central America aid to U.S.-backed opposition in Venezuela - Los Angeles Times

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom