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GOP shits on vets yet again

Given this additional detail, I think it more accurate to day that the GOP shit on the Democrat's budget gimmick rather than the veterans themselves, as cited above, there was no concerns about the purpose of the bill, but the budget gimmick the Dems introduced into it.

Even if this were sufficient justification for the GOP shitting on vets (it’s not), it’s transparently not the reason they switched their votes this week.

 
doesn't changing it from discretionary spending to mandatory. spending mean that money HAS to be spent on just what it was meant to be and if it was "Discretionary" it can be changed not only the amount but what it is being used for, and has to be re-funded every year
Have a nice day

Mandatory means the GOP can’t hold the funding hostage every year and use the vets as a punching bag like they did this week.
 
Have you read the bill? Several have posted a link to it.
Yes. I have read it. It includes a gimmick that allows for spending on programs that have absolutely nothing to do with veterans. If that is fixed, I will support the bill.
 
Even if this were sufficient justification for the GOP shitting on vets (it’s not), it’s transparently not the reason they switched their votes this week.
I attribute the statement above to 'win politics by any means necessary', 'make your political opponent look bad by any means necessary'.


Interesting that you'd decide to not cite these tweets from your source:



So again, it isn't GOP 'shitting on vets' as much as it appears to be a legitimate future budgetary concern, which Dem's say 'don't worry about it', well, we've seen that from Dems before, all the more reason to in fact be legitimately concerned about future budget concerns. 🤷‍♂️
 
So again, it isn't GOP 'shitting on vets' as much as it appears to be a legitimate future budgetary concern, which Dem's say 'don't worry about it', well, we've seen that from Dems before, all the more reason to in fact be legitimately concerned about future budget concerns. 🤷‍♂️

Toomey isn’t a vote-switcher. He’s been against mandatory spending on vets’ health from the start and voted against it in June. The switchers are those GOPers who already voted for this spending and switched their votes last week to “punish” the Dems by harming vets. This “legitimate future budget concern” was not one they cared about a month ago, it’s a made-up excuse for their decision to shit on vets as part of some tantrum over the Inflation Reduction Act.
 
Toomey isn’t a vote-switcher. He’s been against mandatory spending on vets’ health from the start and voted against it in June.
So he's consistent then.

The switchers are those GOPers who already voted for this spending and switched their votes last week to “punish” the Dems by harming vets.
So the political push narrative by the left goes, yes.

Of course the Dems claim that anything that prevents them from doing what they want to do is 'punishment', while we see the 'punishment' they've caused to the nation and it's electorate in the form of this inflation, due to their demanded spending over the last 2 years, as well as before. Nothing like causing the inflationary pressures to needlessly be elevated.

This “legitimate future budget concern” was not one they cared about a month ago, it’s a made-up excuse for their decision to shit on vets as part of some tantrum over the Inflation Reduction Act.
🤷‍♂️ I suspect that details on this might be forthcoming.

The 'Inflation Reduction Act' appears to be yet more napalm being thrown on an already raging inflation fire, even more so that money is going to 'Climate Change' near religious foolishness and idiocy.

Guess we view things pretty differently.
 
Of course the Dems claim that anything that prevents them from doing what they want to do is 'punishment', while we see the 'punishment' they've caused to the nation and it's electorate in the form of this inflation, due to their demanded spending over the last 2 years, as well as before. Nothing like causing the inflationary pressures to needlessly be elevated.

Inflation is the excuse now for the GOP shitting on vets?
 
My name? Just shows my dislike and disrespect for a corrupt politician who has been in politics for over 50 years. As for partisan? If the republican party in general were to honor the principles in their own official platform, you would have a point and I would be a registered republican. They don't and I am not. That I am conservative does not make me republican or partisan. I don't really care for either party, though I do see the GOP as the lesser of two evils. I am simply not a fan of establishment politicians. Perhaps if you try hard enough, you will at some point understand that. If not, who cares?
The Republican party had no platform under Trump. Literally no platform......just whatever the dictator, I mean president. You are so partisan that you actually support that crap.
 
Your reading comprehension is poor, if that's what you got from my post.

I get that you’re grappling for increasingly silly excuses for the GOP’s behavior. The switched their votes to stick it to vets out of anger at the Dems moving an unrelated anti-inflation bill. Very typical GOP nihilism.
 
The Republican party had no platform under Trump. Literally no platform......just whatever the dictator, I mean president. You are so partisan that you actually support that crap.
Confusion and TDS on your part. The republicans vote on and approve a platform every four years during the convention. If you were as politically knowledgeable as you seem to think you are, you would know that. That platform is what they claim the party represents. They just do not follow it. They just use it for window dressings during campaign seasons, the forget about it until the next elections. The secret to Trump's success in 2016 is that he campaigned on the principles laid out in that platform and convinced the base he would actually follow through on them. And he largely did. You can deny that until the sun goes supernova if you like, however it's the truth. The same applies to Reagan in the 1980 and 84 race and likely will with Desantis if he runs. The base is tired of the republican party operating as an establishment country club. It never was just about Trump. The movement that Trump tapped into actually began six years prior to the 2016 election.
 
I get that you’re grappling for increasingly silly excuses for the GOP’s behavior.
Except that I'm not. Your reading comprehension remains poor. Where, for example, am I providing 'excuses'? Instead I've looked into it further than you have, obviously, and have cited the facts as are known at this time. So, yes, your reading comprehension remains poor, or at least hyperpartisan.

Rather unsurprising that you not only fail to respond to points raising Democrat's poor behavior, you blithely ignore them focusing instead on 'gotcha GOP'.

The switched their votes to stick it to vets out of anger at the Dems moving an unrelated anti-inflation bill. Very typical GOP nihilism.
Speaking of the 'anti-inflation bill', that bill is nothing but throwing more napalm on the already roaring inflation fire. Clearly, Biden's handlers in this administration are clueless about inflation and the economy in general, increasing federal government spending (worsening inflation) when cutting back federal government spending would aide in tamping down inflation.

Specifically:

But now researchers at the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco are weighing in on the topic – and they say that massive government spending during the coronavirus pandemic has caused U.S. inflation to surge more than in other developed economies.​
"Fiscal support measures designed to counteract the severity of the pandemic’s economic effect may have contributed to this divergence by raising inflation about 3 percentage points by the end of 2021," wrote Òscar Jordà, Celeste Liu, Fernanda Nechio and Fabián Rivera-Reyes in the San Francisco Fed's weekly Economic Letter.​

Direct citation:

Òscar Jordà, Celeste Liu, Fernanda Nechio, and Fabián Rivera-Reyes​
Inflation rates in the United States and other developed economies have closely tracked each other historically. Problems with global supply chains and changes in spending patterns due to the COVID-19 pandemic have pushed up inflation worldwide. However, since the first half of 2021, U.S. inflation has increasingly outpaced inflation in other developed countries. Estimates suggest that fiscal support measures designed to counteract the severity of the pandemic’s economic effect may have contributed to this divergence by raising inflation about 3 percentage points by the end of 2021.​

What do you call doing the same thing over and over (increasing federal spending) and expecting a different result? Insanity?

Bottom line, excessive federal spending caused inflation, and Biden, more so his handlers in this administration as he leads nothing and controls nothing in his administration, have not only increased the inflation pressures, they've ignored common sense Eco-101 and increased federal spending, to the advantage of their ideologically driven imperatives (AKA ideology over facts - as you can see, trying to redefine recession - facts be damned).

Yeah, the present administration and Democrat controlled congress qualify as that.
(This was my point about 'punishment' which you contorted into whatever politically driven push narrative you did - talk about a dishonest discussion.

About dishonest discussion:
How can you have an honest discussion when the other party continues to change the definition of the language of that discussion to their political advantage?

The obvious answer is that you cannot have an honest discussion with such a party.
 
Yes. I have read it. It includes a gimmick that allows for spending on programs that have absolutely nothing to do with veterans. If that is fixed, I will support the bill.
Which section is this gimmick in?
 
My name? Just shows my dislike and disrespect for a corrupt politician who has been in politics for over 50 years. As for partisan? If the republican party in general were to honor the principles in their own official platform, you would have a point and I would be a registered republican. They don't and I am not. That I am conservative does not make me republican or partisan. I don't really care for either party, though I do see the GOP as the lesser of two evils. I am simply not a fan of establishment politicians. Perhaps if you try hard enough, you will at some point understand that. If not, who cares?
Hooked!, it's just an example of how childish the cult is. Mindless jingoism.
 
Your link to that is missing.
I think this article does a pretty good job of addressing Toomey's concern. The mandatory vs discretionary difference is not just some minor little thing as is the left's attempted narrative.

"Spending fight

Some members had objected because the federal government would pay for the bill’s $278.5 billion cost through mandatory rather than discretionary spending.

Mandatory spending includes entitlement programs like Social Security, and is set in law and in effect indefinitely. Under discretionary spending, members of Congress would control the funding each year through the appropriations process.

Sen. John Cornyn, a Texas Republican, said there had been an agreement between Tester and Moran for two amendment votes, but Democratic leaders have not scheduled those votes. Cornyn said the hope is for further negotiations to “eliminate some of the mandatory spending in the bill and the bill can pass.”

Pennsylvania Republican Sen. Pat Toomey said in a brief interview after the vote that he wanted to address a “budget gimmick” in the bill that he believes would lead to an increase in spending unrelated to providing health care and benefits for veterans exposed to burn pits.

Toomey said he had “no quarrel with” the legislation creating $278.5 billion in new spending during the next decade that would be classified as “mandatory.”

Toomey’s opposition to the bill comes from a separate section of the package that “would authorize $400 billion over the next 10 years of existing spending … to be switched from discretionary to mandatory.”

“And the reason for that, is to create a $40 billion annual hole in discretionary spending under the cap,” Toomey said. “And allow all kinds of spending on who knows what.”"

 
I think this article does a pretty good job of addressing Toomey's concern. The mandatory vs discretionary difference is not just some minor little thing as is the left's attempted narrative.

"Spending fight

Some members had objected because the federal government would pay for the bill’s $278.5 billion cost through mandatory rather than discretionary spending.

Mandatory spending includes entitlement programs like Social Security, and is set in law and in effect indefinitely. Under discretionary spending, members of Congress would control the funding each year through the appropriations process.

Sen. John Cornyn, a Texas Republican, said there had been an agreement between Tester and Moran for two amendment votes, but Democratic leaders have not scheduled those votes. Cornyn said the hope is for further negotiations to “eliminate some of the mandatory spending in the bill and the bill can pass.”

Pennsylvania Republican Sen. Pat Toomey said in a brief interview after the vote that he wanted to address a “budget gimmick” in the bill that he believes would lead to an increase in spending unrelated to providing health care and benefits for veterans exposed to burn pits.

Toomey said he had “no quarrel with” the legislation creating $278.5 billion in new spending during the next decade that would be classified as “mandatory.”

Toomey’s opposition to the bill comes from a separate section of the package that “would authorize $400 billion over the next 10 years of existing spending … to be switched from discretionary to mandatory.”

“And the reason for that, is to create a $40 billion annual hole in discretionary spending under the cap,” Toomey said. “And allow all kinds of spending on who knows what.”"

Toomey is lying. The money can't be spent on any random thing.

It's weird how the right wing framing keeps changing on this. In another thread some random right winger is claiming this results in a TRILLION DOLLARS OF PORK or whatever. You people are just making shit up and it's sickening.
 
I think this article does a pretty good job of addressing Toomey's concern. The mandatory vs discretionary difference is not just some minor little thing as is the left's attempted narrative.

"Spending fight

Some members had objected because the federal government would pay for the bill’s $278.5 billion cost through mandatory rather than discretionary spending.

Mandatory spending includes entitlement programs like Social Security, and is set in law and in effect indefinitely. Under discretionary spending, members of Congress would control the funding each year through the appropriations process.

Sen. John Cornyn, a Texas Republican, said there had been an agreement between Tester and Moran for two amendment votes, but Democratic leaders have not scheduled those votes. Cornyn said the hope is for further negotiations to “eliminate some of the mandatory spending in the bill and the bill can pass.”

Pennsylvania Republican Sen. Pat Toomey said in a brief interview after the vote that he wanted to address a “budget gimmick” in the bill that he believes would lead to an increase in spending unrelated to providing health care and benefits for veterans exposed to burn pits.

Toomey said he had “no quarrel with” the legislation creating $278.5 billion in new spending during the next decade that would be classified as “mandatory.”

Toomey’s opposition to the bill comes from a separate section of the package that “would authorize $400 billion over the next 10 years of existing spending … to be switched from discretionary to mandatory.”

“And the reason for that, is to create a $40 billion annual hole in discretionary spending under the cap,” Toomey said. “And allow all kinds of spending on who knows what.”"

Not only that but the Republican Senators voted for the bill in June with that provision in it. This was not a new addition. Up until they got out manouvered on the Chip bill they were singing it's praises to the high heavens. Let's see what they do Monday after their constituents help them with their priorities this weekend.
 
I guess Pat Toomey is lying here? Do you ever take the time to get the entire story before you post this bilge?



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Thank you for posting this video! If anyone wants to understand the so called tiny change which was made and is being objected to, it's clearly spelled out here.

@Bodecea, I hadn't yet seen or listened to this video when I posted comment 269. Now that I have seen it and listened to it, this video is a FAR better source than I provided in comment 269.
All they need to do is change it back so that the current 400 billion legislated long ago, remains in its existing "discretionary" category such that a $400 billion empty hole isn't suddenly available (for anything at all) in the "capped" discretionary part of the budget - and the new 278 billion legislation can pass.

Catching up, I now see what I covered in 269, was already covered in comment 245. Sorry for that overlap.
 
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I don't really care for either party, though I do see the GOP as the lesser of two evils.
I'm going with the one that respects the outcome of free and fair elections.

You're going with the one that supports insurrections. And blocking aid to injured vets.

Choices.
 
Mandatory means the GOP can’t hold the funding hostage every year and use the vets as a punching bag like they did this week.
Yes ,if it is MANDATORY it has to go to what it was designated for and NOT negotiated on funding every year,
I would think people would want it to be MANDATORY so that it is funded every year and not be able to be held hostage by either party,
Have a nice day
 
I think this article does a pretty good job of addressing Toomey's concern. The mandatory vs discretionary difference is not just some minor little thing as is the left's attempted narrative.
Nah. Mitch McConnell got played by Manchin and Schumer on the reconciliation bill, so in a baby fit of petulance he and the Republican Senate refused to support this veterans' bill.

Now it's blowing up in their faces. Toomey's "concern" is a smokescreen as they furiously backpedal.
 
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