Freeman Dyson: Climate Change Predictions Are Absurd

[watsup]

You clearly dont have any, so why should anyone with a brain believe you?

More psychological projection.

 

[PoS]

More psychological projection.

Still nothing but climate cult bullshit. Hey, thats you.

 

[watsup]

Still nothing but climate cult bullshit. Hey, thats you.

And yet more psychological projection!!!!!

 

[Grand Mal]

Sad that he has passed on. The greatest scientific mind since Einstein.

His reasonings are very down to earth, and fully explain why these climate apocalypse fears are nonsense.

He's the guy who wanted to surround the earth orbit with a metal shell, isn't he? Or is he the one who perfected the cordless vacuum cleaner?
Whatever. I heard about his opposition to global warming warnings back when I first heard about global warming. Why does he matter more now, because he's dead?

 

[Lord of Planar]

He's the guy who wanted to surround the earth orbit with a metal shell, isn't he? Or is he the one who perfected the cordless vacuum cleaner?
Whatever. I heard about his opposition to global warming warnings back when I first heard about global warming. Why does he matter more now, because he's dead?

Where do you get that idea? It was a thought experiment. Nothing else.

He matters because he is one of the best scientists you will ever find.

 

[watsup]

Where do you get that idea? It was a thought experiment. Nothing else.

He matters because he is one of the best scientists you will ever find.

Did he do actual research in climate change, or was his just an opinion?

 

[Lord of Planar]

Did he do actual research in climate change, or was his just an opinion?

I would say he did do actual research before saying the things he said. He's not the type of person to make reamrks without understand them first.

 

[PoS]

He's the guy who wanted to surround the earth orbit with a metal shell, isn't he?

Wrong. Try reading up on what a Dyson sphere actually is before making such moronic comments. Youre like a white supermacist who thinks Jim Crow is a kind of bird.

And yet more psychological projection!!!!!

The day you actually post facts is the day hell freezes over.

 

[mrjurrs]

I don’t need anyone to tell me that “Climate Change” predictions are absurd, all a person really needs is common sense.

Nobody needs to tell you if you just pay attention.

Great Lakes states are warming faster than the rest of the country, more flooding is in store, new report says

A new report highlights the repercussions for the Great Lakes region because of climate change.

www.jsonline.com

 

[Lord of Planar]

Nobody needs to tell you if you just pay attention.

Great Lakes states are warming faster than the rest of the country, more flooding is in store, new report says

A new report highlights the repercussions for the Great Lakes region because of climate change.

www.jsonline.com

Much ado about nothing.

Between 1901-1960 and 1985-2016, the temperature of the Great Lakes basin increased 1.6 degrees in annual mean temperature compared to a 1.2-degree increase for the rest of the continental U.S.
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Yes, that is to be expected. The suns intensity has increased during that timeframe, and water reatins more heat from changes than land.

 

[Grand Mal]

Wrong. Try reading up on what a Dyson sphere actually is before making such moronic comments. Youre like a white supermacist who thinks Jim Crow is a kind of bird.


The day you actually post facts is the day hell freezes over.

Oh get off your high horse. Do you think you're some kind of special? Of course I know what a Dyson Sphere is. It's not some esoteric lore only available to the intelligentsia, like you. Here's a hint- if you want to come off as some kind of intellectual elite, you might want to practice up on simple things like sarcasm and humour.
Before you make moronic comments, y'unnerstan.

 

[Mr Person]

He's the guy who wanted to surround the earth orbit with a metal shell, isn't he? Or is he the one who perfected the cordless vacuum cleaner?
Whatever. I heard about his opposition to global warming warnings back when I first heard about global warming. Why does he matter more now, because he's dead?

Yeah. He was a legit scientist but he had a lot of rather loony sci-fi ideas.

Freeman Dyson - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

As for climate change, he's the perfect point person for PoS. He wasn't a climate scientist. He was in entirely different fields. But, for example, :

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Climate scientist James Hansen said that Dyson "doesn't know what he's talking about… If he's going to wander into something with major consequences for humanity and other life on the planet, then he should first do his homework – which he obviously has not done on global warming."[78] Dyson replied that "[m]y objections to the global warming propaganda are not so much over the technical facts, about which I do not know much, but it's rather against the way those people behave and the kind of intolerance to criticism that a lot of them have."[79]​

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wiki. Admits he doesn't know what he's talking about it, talks about it, and it slots right into your average denier's partisan approach to the problem. PoS does this shit all the time. "Oh, these scientists say they disagree with one thing about AGW. It's all wrong!" Then it turns out he's citing an engineer who works on bridges and some guy who spent the last two decades in string theory.

 

[Mr Person]

Wrong. Try reading up on what a Dyson sphere actually is before making such moronic comments. Youre like a white supermacist who thinks Jim Crow is a kind of bird.
The day you actually post facts is the day hell freezes over.

Oh get off your high horse. Do you think you're some kind of special? Of course I know what a Dyson Sphere is. It's not some esoteric lore only available to the intelligentsia, like you. Here's a hint- if you want to come off as some kind of intellectual elite, you might want to practice up on simple things like sarcasm and humour.
Before you make moronic comments, y'unnerstan.

Naturally. Deniers need to feel special.

Your classic denier likes to pretend that he is that weird old dude in the movies who lives in shack because society shunned him for his crazy ideas, except - TADA - it turns out that he was right all along and the scientists were stupid to

These people would never argue with their heart surgeon about whether or not surgery is needed to clear a few arteries that are almost completely blocked, leaving them weeks if not days from a fatal massive heart attack. They'd never say "nah, you guys are just in it for the money. I don't have blocked arteries and they aren't a problem anyway. That's just liberal crap". But the effects of AGW aren't supposed to get really bad for 30, 50, 100 years. It'll happen to someone else, so what do they care?

I have trouble believing that these people seriously believe that they can poke around on blogs and high-five each other on forums, and thereby learn more than thousands and thousands of scientists around their world who devoted their careers to the field. Then again, Trump seemed to genuinely believe he knew more than the generals about war, so . . .

 

[Lord of Planar]

Yeah. He was a legit scientist but he had a lot of rather loony sci-fi ideas.

Freeman Dyson - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

As for climate change, he's the perfect point person for PoS. He wasn't a climate scientist. He was in entirely different fields. But, for example, :

​

Climate scientist James Hansen said that Dyson "doesn't know what he's talking about… If he's going to wander into something with major consequences for humanity and other life on the planet, then he should first do his homework – which he obviously has not done on global warming."[78] Dyson replied that "[m]y objections to the global warming propaganda are not so much over the technical facts, about which I do not know much, but it's rather against the way those people behave and the kind of intolerance to criticism that a lot of them have."[79]​

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wiki. Admits he doesn't know what he's talking about it, talks about it, and it slots right into your average denier's partisan approach to the problem. PoS does this shit all the time. "Oh, these scientists say they disagree with one thing about AGW. It's all wrong!" Then it turns out he's citing an engineer who works on bridges and some guy who spent the last two decades in string theory.

Dyson's credentials in the sciences regarding climate change are better than Hansen's. Did you know that?

 

[watsup]

Dyson's credentials in the sciences regarding climate change are better than Hansen's. Did you know that?

Not true.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Not true.

Yes, it is true.

Believe as you wish. You might look up both of their careers and education.

Did you know Dyson was given a college scholarship at the age of 15? Went to both Cambridge and Cornell?

Hansen went to the University of Iowa.

Hansen is skilled, but not anything like Dyson.

 

[finebead]

There you go what? He says we dont know what the exact effect we are having, if any, and he's right. THERE IS NO PROOF.

Look, you brought up Dyson.

And this is what Dyson says in the piece:

But around 30 - 45 seconds in, he says "all the evidence we have is that we are having some effect on the climate".

The "we" is humans, humans are having an effect of the climate.

Mr. Dyson states he does not believe the effect will be catastrophic, without presenting any evidence, without presenting any data or study. It is just his personal opinion, not backed up by anything, and it does nothing to further the discussion.

 

[longview]

Look, you brought up Dyson.

And this is what Dyson says in the piece:


The "we" is humans, humans are having an effect of the climate.

Mr. Dyson states he does not believe the effect will be catastrophic, without presenting any evidence, without presenting any data or study. It is just his personal opinion, not backed up by anything, and it does nothing to further the discussion.

No one is arguing that Human activity is not have an effect on the climate,
and just like Dyson presented no evidence that the effects will not be catastrophic, there is also no evidence that the effects WILL be catastrophic.
What we have are the outputs collection of climate models, where they start with an assumption of how sensitivity the climate is to added CO2.
We really have to go back to some of the early climate papers, when they still discussed the input assumptions.
In Hansen et al 1997,
Hansen 1997
They discuss how they think that 2XCO2 will look like a 2% increase in solar output,
and how they used a ghost forcing number to account for some unknown level of feedback,
which they assumed would be equal to the 2XCO2 4 W m-2 used at the time.
I think it was Einstein, who talked about the risks of assumptions when building castles in the air.
Dyson, spent his life knocking down such castles, by pointing out logical flaws.

 

[watsup]

Yes, it is true.

Believe as you wish. You might look up both of their careers and education.

Did you know Dyson was given a college scholarship at the age of 15? Went to both Cambridge and Cornell?

Hansen went to the University of Iowa.

Hansen is skilled, but not anything like Dyson.

Hansen has basically dedicated his professional life to trying to understand the present climate change and has authored, along with other professionals as co-authors, numerous papers on the subject. Has a Dyson authored any at all? It appears that the is just a dilettante in this regard. Like you.

 

[watsup]

Look, you brought up Dyson.

And this is what Dyson says in the piece:


The "we" is humans, humans are having an effect of the climate.

Mr. Dyson states he does not believe the effect will be catastrophic, without presenting any evidence, without presenting any data or study. It is just his personal opinion, not backed up by anything, and it does nothing to further the discussion.

It’s what dilettantes do. Offer opinions in subjects in which they have no formal training. Or even worse, become an official in field in which they haven’t a clue as to what they are doing. Like Trump was as “president”.

 

[watsup]

No one is arguing that Human activity is not have an effect on the climate,
and just like Dyson presented no evidence that the effects will not be catastrophic, there is also no evidence that the effects WILL be catastrophic.
What we have are the outputs collection of climate models, where they start with an assumption of how sensitivity the climate is to added CO2.
We really have to go back to some of the early climate papers, when they still discussed the input assumptions.
In Hansen et al 1997,
Hansen 1997
They discuss how they think that 2XCO2 will look like a 2% increase in solar output,
and how they used a ghost forcing number to account for some unknown level of feedback,
which they assumed would be equal to the 2XCO2 4 W m-2 used at the time.
I think it was Einstein, who talked about the risks of assumptions when building castles in the air.
Dyson, spent his life knocking down such castles, by pointing out logical flaws.

Actually, a number of your fellow deniers in this forum are claiming that man “can’t” have an effect on the climate.

 

[longview]

Hansen has basically dedicated his professional life to trying to understand the present climate change and has authored, along with other professionals as co-authors, numerous papers on the subject. Has a Dyson authored any at all? It appears that the is just a dilettante in this regard. Like you.

Actually Dyson's special experience in Physics, makes him well suited to evaluate the assumptions used, and finding produced by the climate models.
Both He and Hansen have a physics education, Dyson was world class physicist while Hansen was a bureaucrat, and activist.

 

[longview]

Actually, a number of your fellow deniers in this forum are claiming that man “can’t” have an effect on the climate.

A few may argue that, but very few!

 

[watsup]

Actually Dyson's special experience in Physics, makes him well suited to evaluate the assumptions used, and finding produced by the climate models.
Both He and Hansen have a physics education, Dyson was world class physicist while Hansen was a bureaucrat, and activist.

Please list the papers that Dyson has published in regards to AGW. Thanks in advance.

 

[watsup]

A few may argue that, but very few!

Actually, it’s the first phrase out of the mouth of the most ignorant of climate deniers. I have heard it literally hundreds of times over the years.