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Freed US soldier celebrated Xmas, played Badminton with Captors.....

Should Bowe Berdahl Be Court Martialed?


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What evidence? You mean when he walked off Post. Its been reported since 2009. He just walked off. Any MS Media source covered it. They do have a timeline on him. You don't think that with all reporting that he walked off. That the Press didn't speak to those whom knew?

I fail to see how that makes him a sympathiser with the Taleban cause. It only makes him probably guilty of going AWOL, for what reason is as yet unclear.
 

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I fail to see how that makes him a sympathiser with the Taleban cause. It only makes him probably guilty of going AWOL, for what reason is as yet unclear.

Who says he is a sympathizer.....he is a deserter. You do know what Desertion is, Right? I haven't heard any accusing of him being a sympathizer. Unless they discover something with his re-intergration training.
 

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Who says he is a sympathizer.....he is a deserter. You do know what Desertion is, Right? I haven't heard any accusing of him being a sympathizer. Unless they discover something with his re-intergration training.

YOU just said that. I'll quote for you:

"while we trade terrorists for a sympathizer in Pakistan."

Did you, or did you not say that?
 

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YOU just said that. I'll quote for you:

"while we trade terrorists for a sympathizer in Pakistan."

Did you, or did you not say that?


Really :roll: .....you need to go back and look again. I never said anything about Bergdahl being a sympathizer. Show me which Post. As I don't see it.

I said he was a Deserter. Just like I did in the other thread on him. Nothing has changed.....so please do show me where I said he was a sympathizer.

Also.....now that you know that none are saying anything about him being a Sympathizer. What do you have to say about the Desertion that was reported by Most MS Media sources. All that is left to do.....is to take him to USMCJ. So that the guilty verdict can be read and the sentence met out.
 

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Really :roll: .....you need to go back and look again. I never said anything about Bergdahl being a sympathizer. Show me which Post. As I don't see it.

I said he was a Deserter. Just like I did in the other thread on him. Nothing has changed.....so please do show me where I said he was a sympathizer.

Also.....now that you know that none are saying anything about him being a Sympathizer. What do you have to say about the Desertion that was reported by Most MS Media sources. All that is left to do.....is to take him to USMCJ. So that the guilty verdict can be read and the sentence met out.

Actually, on closer inspection, it was not you who made that comment, but rather WCH. Three letter names, eh? Anyway, my mistake.

As for the desertion, that may well be the case. I couldn't say.

My main issue with some people in this thread is that they appear to disapprove of Bergdahl's human interaction with his captors, including learning their language, drinking their tea and playing badminton with them.

To me, this is an absurd, xenophobic and hateful stance to take.

The desertion is another matter entirely.
 

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Yes Ttwtt.....he walked off. He says off of a patrol. But.....he asked his CO what Military equipment would we not want to fall into the Enemies hands. The CO told him the night Vision Goggles and his weapon. So he left them.....took a knife canteen camera and diary. Made off to cross over the Mountains into Pakistan.

One thing all were clear on is.....they know he was drunk. When he disappeared. Which I doubt he would be drunk......and out on Patrol.

Seems like that moron was not worth establishing a five for one trade ratio for "captured" warriors.
 

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Actually, on closer inspection, it was not you who made that comment, but rather WCH. Three letter names, eh? Anyway, my mistake.

As for the desertion, that may well be the case. I couldn't say.

My main issue with some people in this thread is that they appear to disapprove of Bergdahl's human interaction with his captors, including learning their language, drinking their tea and playing badminton with them.

To me, this is an absurd, xenophobic and hateful stance to take.

The desertion is another matter entirely.


Well.....whatever his interaction was with his captors. Wasn't what most are accustom to. So he got lucky.....in that regard. Learning the language would be one of the basics.

Also connected to this issue is BO playing this out to try and get the Taliban to the negotiating table. They haven't talked to us in 2 years. Which doesn't even count the first time we released Taliban in Afghanistan.
 

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Well.....whatever his interaction was with his captors. Wasn't what most are accustom to. So he got lucky.....in that regard. Learning the language would be one of the basics.

Also connected to this issue is BO playing this out to try and get the Taliban to the negotiating table. They haven't talked to us in 2 years. Which doesn't even count the first time we released Taliban in Afghanistan.

And is it your position that we should not be trying to get the Taliban to the negotiation table?
 

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Can't quite be certain yet but there's something unsavory about this whole Bergdahl affair.
 

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Seems like that moron was not worth establishing a five for one trade ratio for "captured" warriors.

Oh and not with who was released.....I have been trying to find the pics. They reported these guys all got out of Black Escalades in Qatar. Stepped out waving to the crowd......heroes welcome on their End. Albeit in Qatar.

The one guy is their Intel Man. Commander. They wont stop him from jumping back into the fight. He has pledged to kill Americans.
 

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And is it your position that we should not be trying to get the Taliban to the negotiation table?

No.....we shouldn't. We lost. We need to pull each and every single trooper out of that ****hole. BO is trying to keep a force there for another decade. Don't you understand what the ROE's will be for the losers. They already shoot us in the back.....that's Afghan Security. Then they just surrender now. As they know they won.

Our people will be in even more danger.....and now this will be a problem going forward with AQ and their likes.

BO needs to be called before Congress.....to be humiliated before this nation. Carney just reported that they think they have mitigated enough to approve the release. That's BS.....he hasn't mitigated nothing. He just went around Congress. Broke the Law and knowingly did so.
 

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Oh and not with who was released.....I have been trying to find the pics. They reported these guys all got out of Black Escalades in Qatar. Stepped out waving to the crowd......heroes welcome on their End. Albeit in Qatar.

The one guy is their Intel Man. Commander. They wont stop him from jumping back into the fight. He has pledged to kill Americans.

According to whom? They've been extrajudicially held longer than the POW. The admin has a vested interest in telling us they have a reason to hold them, whether they do or not.
 

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According to whom? They've been extrajudicially held longer than the POW. The admin has a vested interest in telling us they have a reason to hold them, whether they do or not.

According to the Taliban Leader......he already stated they would not give up their pledge. Not even if they were locked up for 20 years. Which don't forget we even gave the Approval to Karzai to released Taliban in Afghanistan already.

You can't see that BO has been sending word thru Qatar for 2 years? Qatar says they vouch for them. That they will make sure they stay in Qatar for a year.

You want to know How I view that.....I think they will heal up. Get back in shape. Taking their time to get back into the Game. Then when the year is over with. They will be out for a little payback.
 

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Pics from Qatar.

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Five Taliban leaders have arrived in Qatar after being freed from Guantanamo Bay in a swap deal for a US soldier held in Afghanistan for nearly five years.

The prisoners were flown by US military C-17 aircraft into the Gulf on Sunday. They were named on Saturday as Mohammad Fazl, Mullah Norullah Noori, Mohammed Nabi, Khairullah Khairkhwa and Abdul Haq Wasiq.

"I thank the government of Qatar, especially its emir Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad [Al Thani], who made sincere efforts for release of these leaders and for their mediation and for hosting them."

When Qatar takes the role of intermediary, it plays this role on a humanitarian basis which is the whole concept of Qatar foreign relations," he said.

The five Taliban are understood to be limited to living in Qatar for their first year of freedom, a condition that the Afghan government on Sunday said was against "international law" and called for their immediate release.

A White House official told Al Jazeera on Saturday that the US administration would not have transferred prisoners from Guantanamo "unless the threat they may pose to the US can be mitigated".

He said the Taliban prisoners would be "subject to restrictions on their movement and activities"......snip~

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middl...-qatar-after-swap-deal-20146113536748321.html



Qatar is so full of themselves......they could be used as blimps. This coming from those that give Full Support and backing to all MB.........in any Country.
 
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Imagine how you could have partied if a video showing him having his head sawed off with a knife had shown up? There'd be a horde outside the White House with torches and pitchforks.
Would it help if we just have video of the people they negotiated with sawing off peoples head on camera? Because hell...we have that. Several of them in fact. In living color, blood, screams, all accompanied by the frenzied chants of Allah Ahkbar. Thats who the admin jumped in bed with. Might want to be careful with the snarky comments...they might come back and bite you in the ass.
 

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Would it help if we just have video of the people they negotiated with sawing off peoples head on camera? Because hell...we have that. Several of them in fact. In living color, blood, screams, all accompanied by the frenzied chants of Allah Ahkbar. Thats who the admin jumped in bed with. Might want to be careful with the snarky comments...they might come back and bite you in the ass.

Heya VM.....how do you like that. Right after the Taliban agree with us. Then they tell Qatar release their men. It is against International law to hold them in Qatar. Looks like BO.....Hagel.....Susan Rice all just got played.

We got back a deserter.....who didn't want to be there. Plus now the Taliban still hasn't come to the table to talk to us Directly. They Wont even talk to our face.
 

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If they can prove that he deserted, they might have a case for court martial. I'm betting that they'll probably avoid it, however, given how it would look in the press.

As to whether he should be court martialed?

Eh. I'm kind of ambivalent on the whole thing. He was an idiot to be sure. However, he seems to have more than paid for it.
 

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Hardline Islamists celebrating Easter and Christmas while playing Badminton. THERE'S a picture!

I don't know if its common amongst radical Muslims, but I have a few Muslim students who celebrate Christmas (Easter, though, not so much).
 

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We've started negotiating with terrorists *behind the backs of Congress. A clear breaking of the law.

Also, we have a Marine in Mexico who is being imprisoned that the FedGov is doing nothing about while we trade terrorists for a sympathizer in Pakistan.

Oh Reagan, yeah, I remember that. I thought you all thought he was one of the best presidents though...
 

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Now that we've started negotiating with terrorists, no American is safe. 5 bad asses for one idiot. Sounds like another Obama bad decision.

We've been negotiating with terrorists since at least Iran-Contra and probably before that, too.
 

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Heya VM.....how do you like that. Right after the Taliban agree with us. Then they tell Qatar release their men. It is against International law to hold them in Qatar. Looks like BO.....Hagel.....Susan Rice all just got played.

We got back a deserter.....who didn't want to be there. Plus now the Taliban still hasn't come to the table to talk to us Directly. They Wont even talk to our face.
I am studiously trying to avoid comment on this. Ask me a week ago before it happened if we should negotiate with terrorists I and I would have said no. Ask me today and I would say no. Ask me about this specific incident and I would say "its a tough job being the Commander in Chief and I hope his decision doesnt come back to bite our country in the ass". At the end of the day, this is just not an issue I want to play partisan politics with.
 

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Well, I mean, the guy in Mexico is a totally different situation. He broke the law, and he's in prison. Surely you don't think Americans should be exempt from other countries' laws? That would set an awful precedent!

As for Bergdahl being a sympathiser, I think it's absurd. Where's your evidence? That he had human interaction with his captors, who are also normal people? That he played badminton with them?

If you think captured soldiers just repeat their dog-tag ID over and over again for five years in captivity, you've been playing too many WWII videogames.

Mexico doesn't recognize many lf our laws.

This other guy basically volenteered himself to the enemy to avoid his obligations to our miltary. How much more of a sympathizer do you want?
 

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Most of the Military calling in on Radio stations are tearing Bergdahl up.....also others are questioning if BO is trying to use this with Peace talks with the Taliban since they are not talking with us and using Qatar as an intermediary.

The issue is should he be court martialed. People can show whatever they need to back why they think so or not. The article OP I presented was info released this Morning on him, based on what those in Contact with the Taliban are saying.

They also know he sent his father a letter telling him he was going to take off from the US military.....and talking about how the Military sucked and then he went off into some speil about how we treat the Afghans.

I heard about this a few years ago, but from what source I don't remember. It seems to me the debate was rather the military would classify him as a deserter or a POW.
 

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Oh Reagan, yeah, I remember that. I thought you all thought he was one of the best presidents though...

If you're trying to make pointz for your precious POTUS, forget it.
 

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If you're trying to make pointz for your precious POTUS, forget it.

No, I am trying to point out that portraying negotiating with terrorists behind congress's back is nothing new. At least this time it was not illegal.
 
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