France Riots-Proving Liberal Policies Don't Work

[Kelzie]

Their socialist policies have lead to the disenfranchisement of the French citizenry that's why they're protesting but they're so fuc/king stupid that they are protesting for more of the same disease and not for the cure.

TOT I've told you that the censor is there for a reason. You can use "****ing" if you absolutely have to.

 

[PeteEU]

So is the French goverment left or right wing?

The problem is not as much left wing policies of the past and present. They are only part of the problem, and a very small part these days. Changing the polices will not change the mindset of the people.

Worker mobility is the main problem for many countries. Moving a few hundred miles to get work is nearly unheard of. Hence one region can need one type of worker, while another region has unemployement in the field.

Another problem is laws like the French one, that prevents people for working more than 35 hours a week. While its fine as a maximum non forced cap on working hours, making it forced no matter what is wrong. If a person does not want to work more than 35 hours a week, fine, but dont go around preventing those that want to work more for doing so. However changing those kinds of laws are near impossible as the unions are heavily involved in drafting such laws. There are plenty of such strange laws that are suppose to protect the worker, but in many ways has the opposite effect. However changing those laws is hard. The Nordic countries went through similar things during the 1980s and 1990s and have somewhat solved these problems by fixing some of the laws. So in many ways the French and Germans are a decade or so behind the nordic countries on these issue and eventually hopefully the French and German politicans will get thier act together.

The next problem is the unions. Unions have thier place in society, however if the unions or the employers get too powerfull then you get an imbalance. In Europe you have too powerful unions, and in the US you have too powerful employers. I dont know whats worse, having a union dictating laws or an industry bent on profit dictating laws on my behalf... its a catch 22 situation. But one could say, at least I can have some say in the union :roll:

Also the Nordic countries are more "socialist" than France will ever be, and thier economies are booming, so the whole "liberal polices are crap" is just that.. bullshit.

 

[Stinger]

I'll just simply demonstrate the absurdidy of your claim. Per your above statment then, the moment I can give a single instance of someone not being bailed out with any problem your reasoning completely falls apart.
Ok, off the top of my head Darfur and Rawanda come to mind.

Do you have any idea what a rhetorical statement is which clearly that was?

 

[Stinger]

:2funny:
.........it's your conservative possee that is dropping bombs all over the place killing and terrorizing innocent civilians for the sole purpose of helping out thier buddies in haliburton and big oil.
.......................

Do you really beleive that idiotic notion?

 

[Stinger]

:applaud
once again jfuh is able to stay right on point and make a great argument
:roll:

That we went to war because Bush has buddies at Haliburton, geez I've read some idiotic things before but that tops it. I guess the CIA flew the planes into the WTT too.

 

[Stinger]

1)
Are there any ADULTS who would like to debate here?

Geez I thought the claims that Bush went to war to benefit his "buddies" was only over on the AOL forums.

 

[steen]

That we went to war because Bush has buddies at Haliburton, geez I've read some idiotic things before but that tops it. I guess the CIA flew the planes into the WTT too.

Ah, the ignorance. 9/11 had nothign to do with Iraq. Iraq DID have oil and the possibility of no-bid contracts for haliburton. After all, they were friends of bill and dick.

 

[FinnMacCool]

:lol:

Thank you. I'm glad I'm not the only one who longs for intelligent, adult debate.

Don't masturbate each other now. . .

 

[DeeJayH]

Ah, the ignorance. 9/11 had nothign to do with Iraq. Iraq DID have oil and the possibility of no-bid contracts for haliburton. After all, they were friends of bill and dick.

amazing how you can make such nonsense sound so articulate

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

So is the French goverment left or right wing?

The problem is not as much left wing policies of the past and present. They are only part of the problem, and a very small part these days. Changing the polices will not change the mindset of the people.

Worker mobility is the main problem for many countries. Moving a few hundred miles to get work is nearly unheard of. Hence one region can need one type of worker, while another region has unemployement in the field.

Another problem is laws like the French one, that prevents people for working more than 35 hours a week. While its fine as a maximum non forced cap on working hours, making it forced no matter what is wrong. If a person does not want to work more than 35 hours a week, fine, but dont go around preventing those that want to work more for doing so. However changing those kinds of laws are near impossible as the unions are heavily involved in drafting such laws. There are plenty of such strange laws that are suppose to protect the worker, but in many ways has the opposite effect. However changing those laws is hard. The Nordic countries went through similar things during the 1980s and 1990s and have somewhat solved these problems by fixing some of the laws. So in many ways the French and Germans are a decade or so behind the nordic countries on these issue and eventually hopefully the French and German politicans will get thier act together.

The next problem is the unions. Unions have thier place in society, however if the unions or the employers get too powerfull then you get an imbalance. In Europe you have too powerful unions, and in the US you have too powerful employers. I dont know whats worse, having a union dictating laws or an industry bent on profit dictating laws on my behalf... its a catch 22 situation. But one could say, at least I can have some say in the union :roll:

Also the Nordic countries are more "socialist" than France will ever be, and thier economies are booming, so the whole "liberal polices are crap" is just that.. bullshit.

Enn, Sweden hit a brick wall with their socialist policies back in the 90s and has been privatizing ever since.

 

[PeteEU]

Enn, Sweden hit a brick wall with their socialist policies back in the 90s and has been privatizing ever since.

Sweden, Denmark and Norway, the bastions of the welfare state, have since the early 1980's been privatizing various industries and areas of goverment. This privatization has come as a result of right wing goverments, realistic assesments and free competition inside the European common market (and the laws that followed this market).

Now does that mean they have given up on the welfare state... hell no. It only means that they have become more realistic in ther assesment of how to maintain the welfare system during the rush of baby boomers.

 

[Urethra Franklin]

1)

FACT: France is one of the most liberal, Socialized countries on Earth...
and just like the others, it is in a shambles.

Bulls**t? Um...no, it's a common knowledge reality known to all who have graduated high school. You might want to look things like this up before mindlessly spewing like that.

2)

I've said it a hundred times here, and you've demonstrated it a hundred more:

Conservatives operate on facts, evidents, and reason...Liberals operate on hysterics and conspiracy theories.

France is off the deep end liberal and it is a wreck. You have no ability to refute this, so you moronically challenge it with lame, hysterical Bush conspiracy theories. The two aren't even related.

Are there any ADULTS who would like to debate here?

Evidently not you.

Fact: France has some wonderful social structures in place due to years of Socialist government. It is beginning to get into trouble since the current right-wing government (one prime minister dumped, second about to resign) tried to play about with workers rights and freedoms, trying to play the fear card as is done so often and so well in the USA. The current distubances are essentially confined to certain universities and high schools - young people expressing themselves, perhaps not in the best manner, but the majority are doing so peacefully, and at least they're showing an interest in the political process, rather than in moronic video games and McFattening themselves up. The Contrat de Premier Embauche which most people are against would be a step backwards, allowing employers to dispose of new employees like used Kleenex. As it is currently in France, to lay somebody off legally you need a good reason. You can't just pretend you can no longer afford to employ them, you have to prove it. Good thing, and one we shouldn't lose.

As for France being a mess, I've lived here five years and I don't see it. As a foreigner I'm well received here, have no hassle as a white woman with a black boyfriend, enjoy a good standard of living and a cultured society with excellent public transport, good health and social care, an excellent educational system and shock horror - the freedom to protest if I disagree, which you seem to find so distasteful. Mess? Where? Are you by any chance judging a country you have no experience of?? Switch off your Fox news and educate yourself with some factual information.

 

[Stu Ghatze]

France has erupted in violence...again...this time because liberal labor unions are demanding that the government pass more typically obscenely expensive socialist policies and convincing people to keep treating this as a racial tolerance issue instead of as a problem with France's economy as a whole.

After attending college, it takes an average of FIVE YEARS for someone to find a job in France. THAT is how much labor unions and liberal policies sodomize the economy. The rioters, incited by the always destructive unions, are reacting to recent "radical" measures taken by the government to allow incompetent workers to be fired without absurdly long union red tape and court battles (because of Socialism and labor unions, there is this astonishingly long, costly, ridiculous process one must go through to fire someone. Damn near no one-no matter how incompetent-can just be fired...like they can here...until now). The fact that efficient, reasonable human resources policies are considered "radical" by the left speaks for itself.

Of course, France is too busy drowning in liberal dysfunction to realize that labor unions and Socialism in general is what has their economy circling the bowl in the first place, so it will eventually be unable to sustain its massive expenses-and we will probably bail them out :roll:.

Oh yeah, who exactly is rioting? Not just some fringe group, not Muslims, not angry, paranoid blacks, not poor people....It is the MIDDLE CLASS. The violence DID originally start with the religion of peace-as usual-but it now has engulfed everyone else who has been failed by Socialism. People from every race, every nationality, every creed, every economic background. Societies that struggle to take care of their poorest are normal. Ones that can't even take care of their middle class are in serious trouble. THAT is how badly Socialist policies like national healthcare have failed European countries like France. And you thought Socialisms economy-crippling effects stopped at France's $6.00/gallon gas prices!

Dear aquapub, ...OUTSTANDING post!

 

[steen]

amazing how you can make such nonsense sound so articulate

Amazing how much you need to squirm to cowardly avoid the issue.

But it is nice that you advocate for the support of a big-time welfare state in your avatar.

 

[aquapub]

and yet further down the post he seems to say exactly that:

Jesus Christ! Try to follow me here...:roll:

Riots can happen within perfectly sensible systems...but when they happen because it takes five freaking years for the average college grad to find a job (thank you, Socialism) THAT does indicate that the liberal policies strangling France's economy are the problem.

Get it now? Not that complicated.

 

[steen]

Enn, Sweden hit a brick wall with their socialist policies back in the 90s and has been privatizing ever since.

And even then, it is still the most pervasive welfare state in the world, MUCH MORE than France. So if the premise about France rioting as a failure of liberalism, then Sweden would have to riot as well for it to have any validity.

The Swedes are not rioting, making aquapub's partisan claptrap just ever so much lame-*** nonsense.

 

[steen]

Sweden, Denmark and Norway, the bastions of the welfare state, have since the early 1980's been privatizing various industries and areas of goverment. This privatization has come as a result of right wing goverments, realistic assesments and free competition inside the European common market (and the laws that followed this market).

And they still remain MUCH MORE liberal than France.

 

[steen]

Dear aquapub, ...OUTSTANDING post!

Yes, it has great educational value as a demonstration of the ignorant, knee-jerk repugnican make-believe world of outright fabrication and falsehoods.

 

[aquapub]

Ah, the ignorance. 9/11 had nothign to do with Iraq. Iraq DID have oil and the possibility of no-bid contracts for haliburton. After all, they were friends of bill and dick.

:rofl

Don't worry about this lightweight, Stinger. I've said it a hundred times on here before, and so many of the ignoramouses on this site insist on repeatedly proving it...

Republicans operate on facts, evidence, and reason..liberals operate on hysterics and conspiracy theories.

 

[aquapub]

Yes, it has great educational value as a demonstration of the ignorant, knee-jerk repugnican make-believe world of outright fabrication and falsehoods.

:rofl

All you ever have to argue with are conspiracy theories, hysterics and angry insults. You can't refute the facts I have presented, so you resort to cavorting around here like some driveling degenerate aimlessly insulting everyone.

Want to talk ignorant? Who nearly got kicked off this site for being so psychotically hostile to me for daring to assert that mothers and their children have different DNA from each other?

THAT is ignorance. Get some facts/evidence/substance or stop calling the kettle black.

 

[Willoughby]

Don't worry about this lightweight, Stinger. I've said it a hundred times on here before, and so many of the ignoramouses on this site insist on repeatedly proving it...

Republicans operate on facts, evidence, and reason..liberals operate on hysterics and conspiracy theories.

and yet you still maintain that the riots are anything to do with the "problem" of a socialist/liberal society and even worse you fail to explain how acrab immigrants fit into the picture.....sure liberals often resort to hysterics and conspiracy theories but so do republican/conservatives..can't think of anything that shows that much more than this thread!

 

[kmhowe72]

France better get it's act together.

 

[steen]

Jesus Christ! Try to follow me here...

Wow, you are getting upset. And that, just because we exposed the nonsense, simple-minded partisanship claptrap of your post?

Riots can happen within perfectly sensible systems...but when they happen because it takes five freaking years for the average college grad to find a job (thank you, Socialism) THAT does indicate that the liberal policies strangling France's economy are the problem.

But that is not what your premise was. You claimed that riots were evidence of the failure of liberal policies. And as we have shown, that is a flat-out lie.

 

[steen]

Don't worry about this lightweight, Stinger. I've said it a hundred times on here before, and so many of the ignoramouses on this site insist on repeatedly proving it...

yeah, keep on runnign from anything you can't handle. How lame.

Republicans operate on facts, evidence, and reason..liberals operate on hysterics and conspiracy theories.

And this in a tread where you claim French riots are "evidence" against liberal policies? That makes YOU the lame-*** fool now.

 

[steen]

:rofl

All you ever have to argue with are conspiracy theories, hysterics and angry insults. You can't refute the facts I have presented,

What facts? All you did was subjectively claim that riots in France were evidence that liberalism has failed. So when you claim facts, you are outright lying.

so you resort to cavorting around here like some driveling degenerate aimlessly insulting everyone.

Golly gee. You are getting worse. Now you are talking to the mirror.

Want to talk ignorant? Who nearly got kicked off this site for being so psychotically hostile to me for daring to assert that mothers and their children have different DNA from each other?

Ah, even better. Now it is a lying ad hominem. You are getting more and more lame in your delusional rantings.

THAT is ignorance. Get some facts/evidence/substance or stop calling the kettle black.

Well, where are YOUR facts? NO? Yeah, conservative hypocrite, just as expected.