France Riots-Proving Liberal Policies Don't Work

[aquapub]

and yet you still maintain that the riots are anything to do with the "problem" of a socialist/liberal society and even worse you fail to explain how acrab immigrants fit into the picture.....sure liberals often resort to hysterics and conspiracy theories but so do republican/conservatives..can't think of anything that shows that much more than this thread!

It is a fact that this latest series of riots are about jobs and it is not by any means restricted to Arabs. Jobs are directly related to Socialism strangling France's economy.

Just because you can't seem to grasp this incredibly simple fact does not mean I am being hysterical. And please don't insult our intelligence here. The left has clearly cornered the market on hysteria and conspiracy theories. Republicans operate on facts and evidence, as I just did...and I'm sure you will respond with something just as irrational and emotional as this last post of yours, proving my point.

 

[aquapub]

What facts? All you did was subjectively claim that riots in France were evidence that liberalism has failed. So when you claim facts, you are outright lying.

Once again you have proved my point. It is utterly, hysterically unreasonable to call me a liar for using the word, "facts" to describe my point about (for example) it taking an average of 5 years for college grads in France to get a job. That IS a measurable, provable fact. I even explained where that fact came from.

As usual, YOU are the only one doing what you are accusing others of...lying that is.

 

[aquapub]

Golly gee. You are getting worse. Now you are talking to the mirror.

Jesus, what are you, five? Grow the hell up. :roll:

 

[Urethra Franklin]

It is a fact that this latest series of riots are about jobs and it is not by any means restricted to Arabs. Jobs are directly related to Socialism strangling France's economy.

Just because you can't seem to grasp this incredibly simple fact does not mean I am being hysterical. And please don't insult our intelligence here. The left has clearly cornered the market on hysteria and conspiracy theories. Republicans operate on facts and evidence, as I just did...and I'm sure you will respond with something just as irrational and emotional as this last post of yours, proving my point.

You can't grasp the fact that the "riots" as you call them are a series of minor disturbances, essentially limited to a few universities and high schools, but I suppose Fox news hasn't told you that. The protest is against the contrat de premier embauche which would roll back a socialist policy that people want to keep. It's YOU that doesn't get it!

I asked you in a previous post if you were judging a country you've never experienced. You chose to ignore my question - oh what a surprise. Well answer it now please - have you ever lived in France? Or are you, as I suspect, judging a situation you actually have no experience of?

 

[aquapub]

I said: "Want to talk ignorant? Who nearly got kicked off this site for being so psychotically hostile to me for daring to assert that mothers and their children have different DNA from each other? THAT is ignorance. Get some facts/evidence/substance or stop calling the kettle black."

Ah, even better. Now it is a lying ad hominem. You are getting more and more lame in your delusional rantings. Well, where are YOUR facts? NO? Yeah, conservative hypocrite, just as expected.

Angry, insecure name calling? Yawn...fully expected from you...But you are now denying that you ever claimed a mother and fetus don't have separate DNA?

You should know me well enough by now to know I will call you out publicly for lying.

ATTENTION ALL: If anyone would like to me to have the moderator from the abortion thread come here and verify that Steen did in fact call me a liar and attack the crap out of me for asserting that a mother and child have separate DNA, let me know (She had to delete some parts of it because he was so psychotic about it), and we will address Steens little habitual lying problem right here and now.

It is disgusting to watch you call people liars in response to them pointing out ACTUAL examples of you lying. You have zero character. You lie through your teeth. You have utterly discredited yourself here. :doh

 

[Gibberish]

1) FACT: France is one of the most liberal, Socialized countries on Earth...
and just like the others, it is in a shambles.

Bulls**t? Um...no, it's a common knowledge reality known to all who have graduated high school. You might want to look things like this up before mindlessly spewing like that.

2) I've said it a hundred times here, and you've demonstrated it a hundred more:

Conservatives operate on facts, evidents, and reason...Liberals operate on hysterics and conspiracy theories.

France is off the deep end liberal and it is a wreck. You have no ability to refute this, so you moronically challenge it with lame, hysterical Bush conspiracy theories. The two aren't even related.

Are there any ADULTS who would like to debate here?

1. Why do you hold such hate for liberals?
My worldview is not what the majority of liberals would deem as liberal, but for the purpose of this discussion, I will go ahead and throw myself in with the liberals, as I am sure you would consider me a liberal anyway. My point being is that as a liberal, I might disagree with conservatives, but I certainly don’t hate them or their ideology. I just simply disagree with it. Furthermore, I might disagree with President Bush, but I certainly don’t hate the man. In fact, I personally find him to be a likable individual. Your hate for liberals, as evidenced by countless posts authored by you, is so pathological that it really would border upon some type of neurosis or personality disorder. I mean why hate liberals simply because you disagree with them. Moreover, it’s a true sign of ignorance to always assume that one side is always right and the other is always wrong.

2. If you believe that you are representative of most conservatives, then you are a very poor ambassador for your fellow conservatives. You claim that liberals operate only on hysterics and conspiracy theories and that conservatives operate on facts, evidence, and reason. Your posts, like the one I am responding too, exhibit very little in the way of actual facts, as half-truths are as much of a lie as an out and out lie is. Moreover, they exhibit no reason at all. They are merely grounded in the type of pathological hatred for liberals and anyone view that differs from yours, that they are more reminiscent of the type of language and propaganda used by white supremacists or other radical and extremists hate groups.

3. It could be that France’s economy is slow because of labor unions. Then again, it could be because they simply choose to work less hours and trade increased productivity for more time off (which is probably the reason), or it could just be that as a nation they are being out competed for a host of reasons that having nothing to do with liberalism or socialism. Moreover, if socialism always leads to economic stagnation and failure, then why would Norway, a nation that is more socialist than France, have a higher per-capita GDP than the United States does?

:applaud

Great post SouthernDemocrat. As with most great posts it was un-responded to.

 

[Indy]

aquapub, don't you think its very curious why YOU seem to be the poor victim that gets picked on in every thread? Perhaps it's because you are so hostile to everybody else? Just a thought, but perhaps a thought that you should take to heart?

 

[Kelzie]

[mod mode]

I'm serious. I'm giving this thread one more chance and than it's off to the basement. That's mostly addressed at you aquapub.

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[jfuh]

It is a fact that this latest series of riots are about jobs and it is not by any means restricted to Arabs. Jobs are directly related to Socialism strangling France's economy.

Show me your facts aqua, where're hard core proofs as opposed to just spewing nonsense?

Just because you can't seem to grasp this incredibly simple fact does not mean I am being hysterical. And please don't insult our intelligence here. The left has clearly cornered the market on hysteria and conspiracy theories. Republicans operate on facts and evidence, as I just did...and I'm sure you will respond with something just as irrational and emotional as this last post of yours, proving my point.

Again, you point out your "republican" facts. Alright show us the facts that prove your point on this topic.

 

[jfuh]

Once again you have proved my point. It is utterly, hysterically unreasonable to call me a liar for using the word, "facts" to describe my point about (for example) it taking an average of 5 years for college grads in France to get a job. That IS a measurable, provable fact. I even explained where that fact came from.

I don't think this says anything about liberal policies not working.

 

[jfuh]

Jesus, what are you, five? Grow the hell up. :roll:

Very constructive. Is this another of your facts?

 

[jfuh]

Angry, insecure name calling? Yawn...fully expected from you...But you are now denying that you ever claimed a mother and fetus don't have separate DNA?

This has what to do with the thread you made?

ATTENTION ALL: If anyone would like to me to have the moderator from the abortion thread come here and verify that Steen did in fact call me a liar and attack the crap out of me for asserting that a mother and child have separate DNA, let me know (She had to delete some parts of it because he was so psychotic about it), and we will address Steens little habitual lying problem right here and now.

There's a reason why it's a seperate thread. PLease stay on que.

It is disgusting to watch you call people liars in response to them pointing out ACTUAL examples of you lying. You have zero character. You lie through your teeth. You have utterly discredited yourself here. :doh[/QUOTE]

 

[jfuh]

[mod mode]

I'm serious. I'm giving this thread one more chance and than it's off to the basement. That's mostly addressed at you aquapub.

[/mod mode]

Threads started with intent to flame result in just that.
Shoving off to the basement has been long overdue.

 

[aquapub]

All left wing habitual lying aside...this further explains how the riots are connected:

Copied from another thread...

1) I wrote a paper on this using data from a couple books on the subject, sources on Lexis Nexis, and at the Library of Congress. I am at work right now and don't have access to it all, but here are a couple things I remember from it:

Socialist economies are always running at a crawl...

France's economic growth rate was 2.2%, and falling, for years. Germany's growth rate was 1.1%, and falling, for years. The U.K. was slightly better, but not by much.

America's growth rate was 5.4%, and growing, for years...and 5.4% of AMERICA'S economy is much more than 5.4% of France's, Germany's economies, even combined.

Socialists try to argue that this can be explained by our superior resources, but look at Hong Kong...Devoid of ANY natural resources from go, yet one of the most thriving metroipolises in existence. Not coincidentally, Hong Kong has spent nearly every second of its existence as one of the LEAST regulates-i.e., LEAST Socialist-countries in the world.

They have policies in socialized countries that make it nearly impossible to fire incompetent workers (until recently, which is one of the reasons they are rioting in France)...thank you, Socialism.

Socialism has gone so far in many European countries that people have stopped reproducing (between abortion, contraception, no need for children due to abundant social programs, etc.). By around 2050, these countries will find themselves having to import huge immigrant workforces to generate wealth (to support the ENORMOUS costs of all the expensive programs) and they will become drastically Asian and Muslim nations seemingly overnight.


2) An MSNBC report trying to explain the recent riots mentioned that it takes an average of FIVE YEARS for people to find jobs in France after college.


3) Socialism is why gas prices in Europe are at, what is it now, $6.00/gallon?


4) John Stossel (Libertarian ABC reporter) wrote a book called, "Give Me A Break." He writes about how places like India, which have traditionally been EXTREMELY Socialist (hence, economically stagnate) have recently exploded economically as they have enacted more and more deregulation-i.e., as they have moved AWAY from Socialism.

5) Everything public sucks. Everything private is cheaper, faster, and better (because profits dictate making things cost effective)-i.e., Socialism sucks at meeting people's needs and at allowing an economy to function.

Think about it...

Public schools, private schools; public housing, private housing; how well is your BMV run? My guess is, not well-because it is controlled by the government, as are ALL things under Socialism.

And don't tell me it's about funding. Washington D.C. schools are the most over-funded schools in the country and they are near the bottom.

 

[steen]

Once again you have proved my point. It is utterly, hysterically unreasonable to call me a liar for using the word, "facts" to describe my point about (for example) it taking an average of 5 years for college grads in France to get a job. That IS a measurable, provable fact. I even explained where that fact came from.

Ah, so now you are lying about my post as well. It is bad enough that you lie about what you said yourself, namely that riots in France is evidence of failure of liberal policies. When you claimed THAT as a fact, you lied. :roll:

 

[steen]

All left wing habitual lying aside...

Ah, so your response to the evidence of your lies is that "liberals lie"? That's just plain nuts.

 

[aquapub]

Ah, so now you are lying about my post as well. It is bad enough that you lie about what you said yourself, namely that riots in France is evidence of failure of liberal policies. When you claimed THAT as a fact, you lied. :roll:

You called me a liar because I called my points, "facts." I just explained to you that "it taking 5 years for college grads to get a job in France" IS a provable fact.

What don't you get about this? Or is it even about the truth with you?

 

[aquapub]

You know what, let's do something novel. Let's have an on-topic debate. How about you respond to the evidence I posted about how badly Socialism has failed around the world?

 

[steen]

You called me a liar because I called my points, "facts." I just explained to you that "it taking 5 years for college grads to get a job in France" IS a provable fact.

Ah, continuing the cowardly evasions, I see. I already pointed out your dishonesty, the one you pathetically run from.

 

[steen]

You know what, let's do something novel. Let's have an on-topic debate.

Are you capable? Do you have actual knowledge, or do you only have hyperbole and misrepresentations?

How about you respond to the evidence I posted about how badly Socialism has failed around the world?

I already have. I pointed out that there aren't any rioting in the Scandinavian countries, and as such, your original claim of riots being evidence of liberal failure is false. YOU are the one who chose to evade this, but feel free to deal with how your "evidence" thus was shredded from the get-go.

 

[aquapub]

Ah, continuing the cowardly evasions, I see. I already pointed out your dishonesty, the one you pathetically run from.

Um...ok. Why don't you tell me exactly what lie I told (you know, the way I have done with you) instead of just angrily rambling about what a liar I allegedly am?

Oh, you don't have any specifics? Thought so. :roll:

 

[Ivan The Terrible]

aquapub,

You know what, let's do something novel. Let's have an on-topic debate. How about you respond to the evidence I posted about how badly Socialism has failed around the world?

I really would like to see a real debate on the issue. Please! Ignroe Steen. Urethra Franklin made some good points. Do you disagree with him?

 

[steen]

Um...ok. Why don't you tell me exactly what lie I told

That would be the title of your tread, as I explained several times by now. :roll:

 

[Willoughby]

Well if depends exactly what you mean by socialism...

If you mean socialism in terms of communal ownership of the means of production, abolition of private property etc...then that is for another thread

but if you mean state ownership of certain key areas and a substaintal welfare state then i would have to disagree

In my personal opinion i don't think that ownership by state is always good, in the same way i don't think that complete privatisation is good. Some things the state does well in controlling, some things the private sector does better. In the UK i think that on the whole it is a plus that we have a national/universal health service and i think that the railways were run better when they have state control, i also look across the channel to france and see how fantastic their TGV state railways are. i also think it is good to have something like the BBC where although funded by the government is not government controlled and will often criticise both gov and opposition so as not to be perceived as biased in anyway.

Basically i don't agree at all with either the "the state always does it best" or "the private sector is always best"....

I also don't think that the protests in france mean that socialism/liberalism has failed. In fact the opposite is true. If these protesters thought that this socialised system had failed so much then they wouldn't try to block a mearure that erode the socialist/welfare state. You can quote economic statistics for france, or growth statistics but on the matter of these protesters i don't think you can use them to prove that the system has failed

 

[Kelzie]

aquapub,




I really would like to see a real debate on the issue. Please! Ignroe Steen. Urethra Franklin made some good points. Do you disagree with him?

*cough* her *cough*