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Fox News' Tucker Carlson calls concerns about white supremacy a "hoax"

Checkerboard Strangler said:
Who is this "left" you keep talking about that doesn't like things?
I'm on the Left and I didn't have a problem with what he said.

Can you show me some links to these "leftists" who are upset at Dr. Tyson?
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Actually, enough people were upset by that tweet that he issued an apology. Unfortunately, that apology ended with:

"So if you are one of those people, I apologize for not knowing in advance what effect my Tweet could have on you."

^Poor choice of words.
 
Mach said:
Well sure, that's the last defense of the right at this point. If you oppose racism, you're throwing the race card, and want to make everything about racist, and are therefore...a racist! If Trump promotes hate and disunity, if you oppose him, you are promoting hate and disunity! It's really elegant and destructive and absurd.
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Yup, and speaking out against fascists and white supremacists, or really anyone you may disagree with politically, is anti-free speech. I see how it works, now! ;)
 
Jay59 said:
Why do you say that?
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You said to NeverTrump, "You have hate in your screen name." Obviously he believes Trump stirs up hatred in this country. But even if it weren't related to race relations, immigration, and misogyny... Let's say he just opposed a politician for other reasons. Would having the name 'NeverX' be a promotion of hatred?
 
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Mach said:
Well sure, that's the last defense of the right at this point. If you oppose racism, you're throwing the race card, and want to make everything about racist, and are therefore...a racist! If Trump promotes hate and disunity, if you oppose him, you are promoting hate and disunity! It's really elegant and destructive and absurd.
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Would you say an unwarranted accusation of racism is itself racist?
 
Geoist said:
You said to NeverTrump, "You have hate in your screen name." Obviously he believes Trump stirs up hatred in this country. But even if it weren't related to race relations, immigration, and misogyny... Let's say he just opposed a politician for other reasons. Would having the name 'NeverX' be a promotion of hatred?
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In this case it is. His posts clearly show the hatred of the President. That's the easy part.

You seem to be saying that NeverTrump believing that Trump hates makes it so. Is that correct?
 
Jay59 said:
In this case it is. His posts clearly show the hatred of the President. That's the easy part.
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Ah, so now your argument is his posts promote hatred, not his screen name?


You seem to be saying that NeverTrump believing that Trump hates makes it so. Is that correct?
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Someone believing something does not make it so. Conservatives believing Obama was born in Kenya did not make it so. And Trump stating, "I am the least racist person you'll ever meet" does not make it so. A man's actions speak loudly to his character.
 
bubbabgone said:
Would you say an unwarranted accusation of racism is itself racist?
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Without seeing the details, you can't determine if it's just an error, made out of anger or despair, etc., or outright defamation (a crime!).

If you assumed we are using racism in the broader context, you might agree that your quesiton itself likely indicates a racist remark, one made by the majority power (white). That likely bothers you, it bothers most people that don't understand racism. It bothered me for 15 years bubbagone, and then one day I figured it out.

And I do not use the term racism to mean: Racism is the belief in the superiority of one race over another.

I am thinking more like this:

"Scholars, also commonly define racism not only in terms of individual prejudice, but also in terms of a power structure that protects the interests of the dominant culture and actively discriminates against ethnic minorities.[49][50] From this perspective, while members of ethnic minorities may be prejudiced against members of the dominant culture, they lack the political and economic power to actively oppress them, and they are therefore not practicing "racism".[49][53][54]
" Racism - Wikipedia

There is a language problem at the root of this issue though. If some large % of white people think they are being told they are the first definition, they maybe rightfully are offended. even if it's explained to them, they may feel that in public discourse since they feel most people ALSO use that same definition, that it's still bad....even if they understand the broader definition. So I feel if there is to be progress on this beyond just a steady organic progress, that definition has to differentiate into two distinct concepts/words.
 
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Geoist said:
Ah, so now your argument is his posts promote hatred, not his screen name?
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No, but closer. Still, this is a fact not an argument.

Someone believing something does not make it so. Conservatives believing Obama was born in Kenya did not make it so. And Trump stating, "I am the least racist person you'll ever meet" does not make it so. A man's actions speak loudly to his character.
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Exactly, which is why I would call out NeverTrump and not Trump himself. Trump's actions do not spread hatred but anti-trumpism does.
 
Geoist said:
And Tyson is being called out on how poorly thought out his tweet really was.

Let's see, we have regulations and laws on medical malpractice. Every doctor has to go through years and years of schooling.
We have vaccines to fight the flu (but anti-vaxxers, like Trump, would have you believe otherwise).
Suicide is illegal and those who attempt it are hospitalized.
We have driver licenses and have to follow rules of the road or we will be ticketed/arrested.
We are the only developed nation to have mass shootings at the rate we do. No one else comes close. Other developed nations have mentally ill citizens. Other developed nations have violent video games. But other developed nations have far stricter gun laws.
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Driving drunk illegal.
Homicides illegal.
Mass shootings illegal.
They are illegal but the deaths continue, can't stop it and it's no one's fault but the individual that caused it.

I agree the shootings in the US are more frequent, but you can't compare the US with other countries.

Other countries are not immune to mass shootings or mass killing or gun violence.
Norway dealt with a mass shooter in 2011 when 80 were killed.
China dealt with a mass stabbing of school children this year.
England had it's share of terror attacks by bombing, knife and vehicle, especially in 2017. Paris as well.

I don't know what you consider developed nations, but there are 9 other countries with mass shootings totals in 2019 that are worse than US.
Honduras mass shooting rate is 60 deaths per 100,000 people. They top the list. The other countries are Venezuela, El Salvador, Swaziland, Guatemala, Jamaica, Brazil, Colombia and Panama.
 
Jay59 said:
No, but closer. Still, this is a fact not an argument.


Exactly, which is why I would call out NeverTrump and not Trump himself. Trump's actions do not spread hatred but anti-trumpism does.
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Yeah, okay, buddy.
 
Outlook said:
Driving drunk illegal.
Homicides illegal.
Mass shootings illegal.
They are illegal but the deaths continue, can't stop it and it's no one's fault but the individual that caused it.
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There are specific regulations on drinking alcohol. There are age restrictions. Some states have alcohol proof restrictions. There are restrictions to having open alcohol in the car. But naw, people are going to do it all anyways so why have those regulations? :roll:

I agree the shootings in the US are more frequent, but you can't compare the US with other countries.

Other countries are not immune to mass shootings or mass killing or gun violence.
Norway dealt with a mass shooter in 2011 when 80 were killed.
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No one said mass shootings don't ever happen in those other countries. They just happen a lot less frequently than they do in the United States. They are not just outliers here and there. Almost every other developed country has stricter laws compared to the USA. But I suppose the difference is those countries don't have mentally ill citizens... or they don't have violent video games. That's what the GOP would have us believe, apparently.

China dealt with a mass stabbing of school children this year.
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Okay?

England had it's share of terror attacks by bombing, knife and vehicle, especially in 2017. Paris as well.
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Okay?

I don't know what you consider developed nations, but there are 9 other countries with mass shootings totals in 2019 that are worse than US.
Honduras mass shooting rate is 60 deaths per 100,000 people. They top the list. The other countries are Venezuela, El Salvador, Swaziland, Guatemala, Jamaica, Brazil, Colombia and Panama.
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If you consider Honduras a developed nation then what the heck is a developing nation? :lamo

Oh, yes, Honduras, El Salvador, Brazil... we are in good company when it comes to mass shootings!
 
I believe Tucker's face is consternated and needs a laxative.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Oh, so if they are all the same people then Donald Trump's claims that there were "some good people" on the far right "side" at Charlottesville is complete and utter bullcrap.
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Except he didnt say that

Because, of course, the other folks there were the Neo Confederates. Not that they are any better than the Neo Nazis, of course, but they are generally more passive when it comes to their virulent racism.

Oh, so if we had a hundred active AQ members or a hundred ISIS members running around in each and every state you'd be fine with that? The idea that domestic terrorism is okay because the number of terrorists in the organization is smaller than what it used to be is bizarre.
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Clearly you are incapable of honest discussion or, well, anything. Take up your crap with the straw man yo just created.
 
Geoist said:
Lol, sure buddy. "Neo-Nazis and the KKK are as real as the tooth fairy..." Are those your alternative facts?
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Gimme some numbers. Ive asked that several times and no one seems to come up with any. How many Nazis are there in this country?
 
Fletch said:
Gimme some numbers. Ive asked that several times and no one seems to come up with any. How many Nazis are there in this country?
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Give him a break. The KKK and neos are real enough, even if you can list them all on one page.
 
Oborosen said:
I would find any numbers from the SPLC highly suspect at this point. With how broadly they designate who is a hate group, white nationalist, extremist etc.

I wouldn't be surprised if those numbers were actually smaller than what's being reported.
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I wouldnt be surprised either, but I used their numbers because even if grossly inflated, they demonstrate how inconsequential the Klan has become. 100 years ago, the Klan boasted a membership of 4,000,000. Now its 5000 in a country that has 200,000,000 more people in it today than it did then. And the Nazi party? Its a joke. Didnt they call for a rally in DC a year or so ago and have only about 25 people show up. Yeah, now theres an impressive movement :roll: White Supremacy is political rhetoric that mindless leftist see as truth. Kinda like Russian collusion. But liberals will literally fall for anything.
 
Crovax said:
Stand by your idiot

I’ll stand by the words on an American hero

chris-kyle.jpg
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Chris Kyle? A true American hero?
:lol: :lol:
 
Superfly said:
Chris Kyle? A true American hero?
:lol: :lol:
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What's remarkable about Kyle is that he didn't need to create absurd legends to be one.

All he had to do was own his true accomplishments, but he decided to tell urban legends that revealed him to only be a liar, but a total sociopath.
 
Fletch said:
:2bigcry: Aww. You poor thing. Did Tucker say something you dont like? What happened to all your whining about freedom of the press? Now you want it silenced. Always nice when the real fascists reveal themselves.

Oh, and by the way, there is no white supremacist movement in this country. Thats just you being duped by the left wing media. Again.
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Obviously not. The people in El Paso killed themselves.
 
MovingPictures said:
What's remarkable about Kyle is that he didn't need to create absurd legends to be one.

All he had to do was own his true accomplishments, but he decided to tell urban legends that revealed him to only be a liar, but a total sociopath.
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And he is considered an American hero. :lol: Guess I’m not surprised. The people who consider him heroic are ok with their president telling upwards of 11,000 lies.
 
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