Fox News' Tucker Carlson calls concerns about white supremacy a "hoax"

[RedSunRising]

Lets be honest....it has been a loooong time since the media honestly and in an unbiased way, presented the news rather than manufacture it .

I have about as much faith in modern media as I do in our Government. :no:

We just have to work harder to be properly informed now. I can get a pretty realistic sense of a situation when I read four or five different sources about the same thing, including some international sources. There's just so much garbage out there now that I'm grateful critical thinking was a cornerstone of my education.

 

[RedSunRising]

Because white supremacy as major force in this country is a joke. You're talking about a population size that's so small (and spread out), insignificant, and frowned upon that their numbers can't even swing a small town election with a population size of 1000 or less. When there are rallies, there rallies, at best, might get to 50 people. On rare occasions, they may be around 100 people (but even that's pushing it). They have no influence in society, have no real power, and you only see them in their small rallies. That's it. They're that pathetic. Do you have the occasional deranged person who is a white supremacist? Yes. Are they the only people who go on killing sprees? No. Chicago and Baltimore have gang problems every week, and it's typically black on black violence, with the occasional black on white, white on black, and white on white violence. Whenever an Arab goes nuts, he's usually a Muslim that follows Islam's fundamental teachings. Of course you have Hispanics, typically a bunch of illegal aliens, who murder, hurt, or rape others. What makes this even more interesting is that the Left says these white supremacist killers are alt-Right people, but whenever a manifesto or a couple of social media posts pop up, you find out these people are 99.9-100% (can't be any lower) of the time a bunch of Leftists.

The El Paso shooter sounded like environmental, anti-immigrant anarchist, while the other is a Satanic, socialist believing (would-be) rapist. Both were down with the Leftist agenda, one REALLY liked Crazy Bernie and Fauxahontas Warren, one didn't like Hispanics, and both come from broken families (one of the Left's favorite targets). The guy in the New Zealand shooting had a very similar background. In his manifesto, he believed in man made climate change, population control, communism/anarchy, racist against Arabs, didn't like Trump, and was an atheist (although there are Right wing atheists but don't believe the other stuff this guy did nor are they as violent). Sounds like a typical Leftist to me instead of someone on the Right or Middle. Even alt-Right people sound like they're Leftists. Although it's not white supremacy per se, but let's not forget the guy who shot up a baseball field filled with Republican Congressmen because he hated Republicans (managed to send one to the hospital in critical condition). He also was a Crazy Bernie supporter and listened to people like she-male Rachel Meadow, supporting all things Leftist.

If you ask me, white supremacy seems to exist more so on the Left than the Right and Middle. Violence seems to be a trait that these guys carry, too, along with their racist rhetoric. Of course, violence in general just seems to be one of the top traits of the Left. Antifa, Black Lives Matter, the Black Panthers, lone wolf attacks, they all bring rage and hatred with it towards those they disagree with, even if it's their own people. The thing in Charolettesville, it was a gathering of Leftists, with racists on both sides, who didn't like each other and one of them was crazy enough to kill some people with his car. Of course, violence like that happens in Chicago EVERY WEEK. Why do they act like this? Simple: no (good) father figures to guide them, not being taught the differences of reality and fantasy, schools teaching them their parents are evil, politicians saying man-made climate change is real and is going to kill us all in 10 years, and they're being told that they're "special" before even doing anything that makes them special. Eventually, for some, white supremacy becomes a thing for those on the Left.

Huh. There are lots of ways to debate that post, but what would be the point? Why is racism a partisan issue? Whether your team wants to claim the racists or send them across the field, they're still there; and they are the problem of all of us. To deny that white supremacy is a problem or to blame the problem on our political opponents is equivalent to cutting off our noses to spite our faces.

 

[ChezC3]

It doesn't exist, but if it exists it's the left's fault?

PS: Why lie about your lean? Is it that important to try to bootstrap your post into greater credibility? It isn't working. Let me tell you, it really is not working when you have to jump into a thread to defend the idiotic lie that what supremacism doesn't exist, then turn around and say but if it does it's YOUR fault you poopy librulz

Is that what you got out of that? Day drinking?

I'm not lying about anything.

My words are credible because I've stated them. I don't give a fuck about a lean, and I don't subscribe rigidly to a political dogma, which is why I put independent.

But let's get back to this lying thing you've accused me of

I stated that it was not a hoax. That would mean it exists.

I stated that it was an inflated, manufactured threat used for political purposes. That means that while it exists the problem isn't as great as it is being made out to be. Also, that doesn't blame other people for it, it explains why other people are finding white supremacy poured over their morning Frosted Flakes.

So, I'm really at a loss here, I mean, I even tossed in a line or two poking fun at the pointy hat fucks for good measure...

So....where the fuck do you come off?

 

[Superfly]

Snagged this from Twitter this morning. Thought it would be appropriate to add to the Tucker collection. :lol:

 

[Mach]

I stated that it was not a hoax. That would mean it exists.
vs
manufactured threat

No Chez, that's a contradiction. Manufactured means generally "made up"...a hoax.

I see lots of people worried about Isamic terrorism, especially those on the right (muslim ban recall that?)

And yet the reality:



Terrorism IS rare in the United States as compared to generic gun related deaths. And yet it's a real, not manufactured, problem. Not a hoax.
It's currently in the news ChezC3 why? Not because it's "manufactured" or because people are inflating the problem....
It's because we just had a White Nationalist Domestic Terrorist go on a shooting spree in El Paso. That's you know...News. It raises it to national attention*. Are you aware of this?
Good lord.

(* edit: and seems to have matched the bigoted, racist, hate-filled rhetoric Trump spews routinely to the world...that doubly makes it news, sadly).

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Stand by your idiot

I’ll stand by the words on an American hero

He too would be able to elicit the same results with 50 armed and very determined men just like Ventura could.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Nevertheless, homophobia and racism, among other evils, exist in the world and in the US. Denying them, like Carlson did, is dangerous, dishonest, and at least a little bit delusional.

And thanks to the Manipulator In Chief, it's on the rise once again, just like on several occasions in the past.

 

[Herkamer63]

Only true white supremacists will react harshly to this allegation. After all, Leftists:

-founded the KKK

-said blacks were not real human beings in the 1800s in SCOTUS

-created segregation laws

-had black people lynched with the KKK

-established Planned Parenthood (who's founder, Margaret Sanger, was a white supremacist) to eliminate black people through abortions

-opposed the Civil Rights Movement

-voted against the Civil Rights Act

-snuck a Klan member into the US Congress (Robert Byrd, who was a friend of the Clintons)

-got their leaders elected in heavily populated areas where black people and other minorities lived and passed oppressive regulations and laws that made these areas poor and unsafe (Detroit, Chicago, Baltimore, etc.), and today, nothing has been done to improve them

There's an old, kind of cheesy, saying that used to be thrown around, "whoever smelt it, dealt it." Who's crying wolf? The Left. Who established all these laws that oppresses minorities in big cities? The Left. Who creates white supremacy groups? The Left. Who says the racist comments on a daily basis? The Left. Who are were these political segregationists, that Creepy Joe praised back in the day, lined up with? The Left. Who ordered for black people to be beaten, hosed, and arrested during the Civil Rights movement? The Left. Who was Margaret Sanger, a documented racist and white supremacist, helping out during the early 1900s to eliminate black people? The Left. So who is it really that have all the white supremacists and their actions on their side? The Left. But they accuse they other side of being all this, even though there is no evidence of it. Why? They want control and do not want others to know of their true intentions. Other wise, no power over others for them. Just like the guy that yelled at me earlier on this thread.

 

[RedSunRising]

What we see in America today is people drinking the Liberal Kool Aid. Democrats have a great game plan, restructure the country into a socialist society where the Congress runs the country through control of the economy and social programs like giving people money for not working. The democrats have gained support in American through keeping minority groups on the dole. Promise the moon deliver only a little and then ignore them until the next election. Now they add in the white supremacist threats to add in fear factor. For Power and Money the democrats will do and claim anything. Russia Collusion Delusion.

"Fear factor"? Would you look into the faces of the families of the 22 deceased people from El Paso and tell them white supremacy is being overhyped by fake news?

 

[ChezC3]

No Chez, that's a contradiction. Manufactured means generally "made up"...a hoax.

I see lots of people worried about Isamic terrorism, especially those on the right (muslim ban recall that?)

And yet the reality:

Terrorism IS rare in the United States as compared to generic gun related deaths. And yet it's a real, not manufactured, problem. Not a hoax.
It's currently in the news ChezC3 why? Not because it's "manufactured" or because people are inflating the problem....
It's because we just had a White Nationalist Domestic Terrorist go on a shooting spree in El Paso. That's you know...News. It raises it to national attention*. Are you aware of this?
Good lord.

(* edit: and seems to have matched the bigoted, racist, hate-filled rhetoric Trump spews routinely to the world...that doubly makes it news, sadly).

No Mach, that's called context. Made up doesn't necessarily mean from scratch, manufactured can mean -- fabricated.

Assalam alaikum... bismillah al-rahman al-rahim... me and the Ummah are just fine, thanks, even if I did have a member of ISIS arrested literally just down the street from me.

Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics. How things are defined define how many of them there are.

really? So this whole white supremacy thing just got started over the weekend? Huh...


Funny, the atheist, socialist, Democrat in Ohio isn't getting the same Press....Are you aware of this?

Mashallah

 

[RedSunRising]

Only true white supremacists will react harshly to this allegation. After all, Leftists:

-founded the KKK

-said blacks were not real human beings in the 1800s in SCOTUS

-created segregation laws

-had black people lynched with the KKK

-established Planned Parenthood (who's founder, Margaret Sanger, was a white supremacist) to eliminate black people through abortions

-opposed the Civil Rights Movement

-voted against the Civil Rights Act

-snuck a Klan member into the US Congress (Robert Byrd, who was a friend of the Clintons)

-got their leaders elected in heavily populated areas where black people and other minorities lived and passed oppressive regulations and laws that made these areas poor and unsafe (Detroit, Chicago, Baltimore, etc.), and today, nothing has been done to improve them

There's an old, kind of cheesy, saying that used to be thrown around, "whoever smelt it, dealt it." Who's crying wolf? The Left. Who established all these laws that oppresses minorities in big cities? The Left. Who creates white supremacy groups? The Left. Who says the racist comments on a daily basis? The Left. Who are were these political segregationists, that Creepy Joe praised back in the day, lined up with? The Left. Who ordered for black people to be beaten, hosed, and arrested during the Civil Rights movement? The Left. Who was Margaret Sanger, a documented racist and white supremacist, helping out during the early 1900s to eliminate black people? The Left. So who is it really that have all the white supremacists and their actions on their side? The Left. But they accuse they other side of being all this, even though there is no evidence of it. Why? They want control and do not want others to know of their true intentions. Other wise, no power over others for them. Just like the guy that yelled at me earlier on this thread.

Let's stipulate that white supremacy is a leftist phenomenon merely for the purpose of exploring this proposition. Is white supremacy not your problem too and anyway? Even if every skinhead in the US is a registered Democrat, are they not a threat to every American equally? Let's stipulate that the answers to those questions are yes. Our efforts and energies and this thread might achieve a modest level of worth if we agree to confront our common enemies rather than blame the problems of the world and the national society on our political opponents.

 

[maxparrish]

Huh. There are lots of ways to debate that post, but what would be the point? Why is racism a partisan issue? Whether your team wants to claim the racists or send them across the field, they're still there; and they are the problem of all of us. To deny that white supremacy is a problem or to blame the problem on our political opponents is equivalent to cutting off our noses to spite our faces.

Racism should not be a partisan issue, no more than should be mental health or the causes of social alienation. However, when a partisan wrongly attributes the cause of horrific events to create an alarmist hobgoblin then it is necessary for others to call them on it.

The fact is that social and educational propaganda for the last 50 years has been very effective in extinguishing whatever remnants of white supremacy ideology that existed after the 60s civil rights legislation. Whereas in the 60s George Lincoln Rockwell of the American Nazi movement was significant enough to be given a lengthily interview in Playboy's trendy interview section (as was Norman Mailer and William F Buckley), today no one even knows if the Nazi Party still exists in the US.

The KKK is essentially a miniscule kook group, it's infamy confined to the memory of old folk and historical essays. Lynching, the orchestrated terrorism of black communities, the assault on civil rights workers, and segregationism are essentially dead, except for those on the left that have adopted separatism as a part of "minority" only social exclusions. "White Supremacy" as an ideology has been trashed repeatedly since the 1950s and as a belief system it has almost no adherents.

So in spite of the lurid fantasies of the increasingly strident and sweeping rhetoric of the anti-racists the problem is NOT in an ideological racism of white supremacy. There is a far more obvious explanation for all these incidents of murder, whether or not they have been committed by supporters of the left or right; it is in alienation and mental health.

For reasons that may not fit the 'narrative' males, particularly young males, seem to be increasingly alienated from society. Whether it is a lack of family structure, the dissolution of a sense of belonging to community, the decline of religion, the poor job choices for those of marginal ability and skills, or just a sense of isolation IT seems to be a strong and compelling cause of the majority of these incidents.

Ask what social changes have caused this alienation and you have your answer.

 

[RedSunRising]

Racism should not be a partisan issue, no more than should be mental health or the causes of social alienation. However, when a partisan wrongly attributes the cause of horrific events to create an alarmist hobgoblin then it is necessary for others to call them on it.

The fact is that social and educational propaganda for the last 50 years has been very effective in extinguishing whatever remnants of white supremacy ideology that existed after the 60s civil rights legislation. Whereas in the 60s George Lincoln Rockwell of the American Nazi movement was significant enough to be given a lengthily interview in Playboy's trendy interview section (as was Norman Mailer and William F Buckley), today no one even knows if the Nazi Party still exists in the US.

The KKK is essentially a miniscule kook group, it's infamy confined to the memory of old folk and historical essays. Lynching, the orchestrated terrorism of black communities, the assault on civil rights workers, and segregationism are essentially dead, except for those on the left that have adopted separatism as a part of "minority" only social exclusions. "White Supremacy" as an ideology has been trashed repeatedly since the 1950s and as a belief system it has almost no adherents.

So in spite of the lurid fantasies of the increasingly strident and sweeping rhetoric of the anti-racists the problem is NOT in an ideological racism of white supremacy. There is a far more obvious explanation for all these incidents of murder, whether or not they have been committed by supporters of the left or right; it is in alienation and mental health.

For reasons that may not fit the 'narrative' males, particularly young males, seem to be increasingly alienated from society. Whether it is a lack of family structure, the dissolution of a sense of belonging to community, the decline of religion, the poor job choices for those of marginal ability and skills, or just a sense of isolation IT seems to be a strong and compelling cause of the majority of these incidents.

Ask what social changes have caused this alienation and you have your answer.

I've researched, read, and written extensively about social alienation. Without going on for too long, I generally believe that its primary causes are anonymity in urban environments, overmedication sponsored by a corrupt pharmaceutical apparatus, mobile devices and social media, and degradation of the family unit. So I more or less agree with you to that extent. Lonely people often disassociate from society and its norms, which sometimes leads to violent acts.

We cannot, however, pretend that those acts where victims were selected based on a protected characteristic are the same as random acts of violence. The Aurora movie theater shooter is just a psychopath. Matthew Shepard's murderers are homophobic psychopaths. The El Paso shooter is a racist psychopath. The term "white supremacy" seems to make a lot of people uncomfortable and/or defensive, but a rose by any other name is still a rose.

Just because discrimination is perhaps less organized than it was fifty years ago doesn't mean that it doesn't exist anymore. Indeed, 22 people were killed in just this last incident because the murderer doesn't like Mexicans. Whether or not one thinks the media have sensationalized the event really doesn't matter. The fact remains that a white supremacist went on a killing spree determined to end lives based on a characteristic of his unknown victims. So for an influential personality like Tucker Carlson to persuade his audience that discrimination, namely white supremacy, is a lie conjured by fake news is irresponsible, dangerous, dishonest, and more than a little delusional.

 

[Rogue Valley]

Hannity and Carlson are well paid by Fox to string the Trumpers along...

Sean Hannity's shack on Long Island.

Carleson's $2M hideaway in D.C..

 

[PLizzy]

I think you forgot one. Makes you wonder what he's sitting on

He's sitting on the toilet.

After railing against Hispanics, he went home and had the Mexican bean chili dip, then he washed it down with some tequila.

There were many extra commercial breaks that night.

 

[PLizzy]

He too would be able to elicit the same results with 50 armed and very determined men just like Ventura could.

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I remember seeing Kyle shoot all those looters on top of the Superdome in New Orleans!

 

[Mach]

No Mach, that's called context. Made up doesn't necessarily mean from scratch, manufactured can mean -- fabricated. Assalam alaikum... bismillah al-rahman al-rahim... me and the Ummah are just fine, thanks, even if I did have a member of ISIS arrested literally just down the street from me. Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics. How things are defined define how many of them there are. really? So this whole white supremacy thing just got started over the weekend? Huh... Funny, the atheist, socialist, Democrat in Ohio isn't getting the same Press....Are you aware of this? Mashallah

Well that was all kinds of crazy. Glad you can't support your absurd position.

 

[Herkamer63]

See what I mean, guys? They can't stand it when you call them that. They whine and moan like babies giving birth to other babies. We non-Leftists have to put up with being called racist and white supremacists, or uncle Toms, or whatever, everyday. We're still standing. The Left isn't. They STILL can't get over the fact Donald Trump won the 2016 election, and there is great fear on their side that NO MATTER who their nominee is for 2020, Trump is going to win in a landslide. The Mueller (Weisman) report failed to get rid of him. The Access Hollywood video didn't stop him from winning. The whole Stormy Daniels thing didn't do anything. Trump's tough talk on North Korea didn't start a war with them (in fact, they're still engaged in peace talks). The rhetoric of Trump separating kids from families isn't doing anything. And these are just a small fraction of what they've tried.

Now, they're reduced to name calling. The Left has NOTHING to go after him on. They're just hoping and praying to Obama that accusing Trump of being a white supremacist works, and so far, it hasn't. They're even going as far as accusing his supporters and the people who voted for him, which all consists of whites, blacks, Hispanics, Indians, Asians, etc, as being white supremacists. They're going to continue to do it, like this guy who's attempting to call me as such, because they think it's going to help in their crusade to shut us up. What they're too ignorant to understand is Trump's support has gone up and his base expanded. Let them whine, b!tch, and moan. It's not going to do anything except help Trump. White supremacy is only attached to the Left, and that history hasn't been erased and still continues today.

 

[ChezC3]

Well that was all kinds of crazy. Glad you can't support your absurd position.

Just ignoring what you don't like isn't a rebuttal.

But, you can't possibly have one, so...I understand...:giggling:

 

[Mach]

Just ignoring what you don't like isn't a rebuttal. But, you can't possibly have one, so...I understand...:giggling:

Just because your weak arguments get crushed, and you can't defend them, you figure posting nonsense and laughing redeems you. Pitiful, comes to mind.

 

[RedSunRising]

See what I mean, guys? They can't stand it when you call them that. They whine and moan like babies giving birth to other babies. We non-Leftists have to put up with being called racist and white supremacists, or uncle Toms, or whatever, everyday. We're still standing. The Left isn't. They STILL can't get over the fact Donald Trump won the 2016 election, and there is great fear on their side that NO MATTER who their nominee is for 2020, Trump is going to win in a landslide. The Mueller (Weisman) report failed to get rid of him. The Access Hollywood video didn't stop him from winning. The whole Stormy Daniels thing didn't do anything. Trump's tough talk on North Korea didn't start a war with them (in fact, they're still engaged in peace talks). The rhetoric of Trump separating kids from families isn't doing anything. And these are just a small fraction of what they've tried.

Now, they're reduced to name calling. The Left has NOTHING to go after him on. They're just hoping and praying to Obama that accusing Trump of being a white supremacist works, and so far, it hasn't. They're even going as far as accusing his supporters and the people who voted for him, which all consists of whites, blacks, Hispanics, Indians, Asians, etc, as being white supremacists. They're going to continue to do it, like this guy who's attempting to call me as such, because they think it's going to help in their crusade to shut us up. What they're too ignorant to understand is Trump's support has gone up and his base expanded. Let them whine, b!tch, and moan. It's not going to do anything except help Trump. White supremacy is only attached to the Left, and that history hasn't been erased and still continues today.

It isn't clear to whom you're speaking and about whom you're speaking.

 

[ChezC3]

Just because your weak arguments get crushed, and you can't defend them, you figure posting nonsense and laughing redeems you. Pitiful, comes to mind.

Uh huh....:coffeepap

 

[Crovax]

He too would be able to elicit the same results with 50 armed and very determined men just like Ventura could.

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You are the one who missed the point. Ventura is a moron who has been punched in the mouth by Kyle for saying stupid ****. The only thing Ventura can do with 50 men involves a lot of astroglide

 

[Mr Person]

:2bigcry: Aww. You poor thing. Did Tucker say something you dont like? What happened to all your whining about freedom of the press? Now you want it silenced. Always nice when the real fascists reveal themselves.

Oh, and by the way, there is no white supremacist movement in this country. Thats just you being duped by the left wing media. Again.

Christ is that ever stupid. The lengths you'll go to just to get a reaction. ....

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

You are the one who missed the point. Ventura is a moron who has been punched in the mouth by Kyle for saying stupid ****. The only thing Ventura can do with 50 men involves a lot of astroglide

You know, I respect our military but that means that I respect ALL of them.

You, on the other hand, seem to be pissed off about Ventura winning his lawsuit against Kyle's estate.
Ventura maintains he never even met Kyle, which might be the case when one takes into account his other fabrications, like for instance the tall tale about snuffing out thirty looters from the top of the Superdome during Hurricane Katrina.

As the husband of a 100 percent service connected disabled veteran I've learned a valuable lesson: No matter what a person did, whether their duty was combat or just a boring support job, the risk factors while serving in the military are very real and service connected injuries don't all happen in the war theater, which is why every person who has ever signed on the dotted line and put on the uniform deserves at least some respect.

You sound like one of those guys who routinely disses people according to their MOS.
People like that seldom last long in the military, and if they do make it without being fragged by their fellow servicemen, their future is one of self-inflicted ignomy. And yet I still respect even those in the military who had difficulty respecting their own.
Chris Kyle is not here to defend his record or his tall tales, because he ultimately fell victim to the rage and insanity of another fellow SEAL.
Ventura, as a fellow SEAL (UDT was the predecessor to the SEALS) earned the right to speak his mind, but whether or not he was even there in Coronado is questionable. A jury did not think so.

Ultimately I am forced to ask, did you even serve this country at all?
I did not enlist, so I don't get the luxury of pounding the war drum or acting like a badass war hero because to do so would make me something known as a CHICKENHAWK.



Are you a chickenhawk?