Fox News Cuts Away During Father of Slain Muslim Veteran’s Speech at Democratic Conv.

[PeteEU]

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Oh look, a racist comment from the "non-racist" left. Shocking.

Oh look a right winger in denial over racism, sexism and islamphobia on Fox News..

 

[CanadaJohn]

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No doubt when "pandering" fits Fox's definition of news then it can be aired, but when it's not it can't. Is that correct? You apparently view airing that speech as pandering to the DNC while I view it as a genuine, heartfelt, poignant, and powerful plea to the American public that deserved to be aired. It was newsworthy in its expression of the sacrifice people of all faiths, colors, and creeds have made defending this country and how that was contrasted against some of Trump's public statements. But, as I said, Fox's opinion of its viewers is made clear with that rather blatant omission, and, regardless of how one colors it, it was blatant.

Using the parents of young people who died in the service of their country for partisan gain, particularly if those deaths are tainted by politics or the errors of politicians, is inappropriate in all cases, in my view. Hypocrisy in this matter is blatant on both sides. Trotting out a grieving parent in order to make political hay against an opponent should be wrong no matter who does it. Even if the parents want to vent their spleen against their political opponent by using their dead child, neither party should allow them to do it. Frankly, in my view, it was also inappropriate for the daughter of one of the dead teachers from Sandy Hook to take the stage at the Democrat convention to promote gun control, but Democrats have been trotting out victims like this and manipulating their grief for as long as I've been alive.

As I said previously, unless you're prepared to condemn such discourse from all sides, I consider it feigned outrage when you only do it against one side.

 

[Ahlevah]

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As I said previously, unless you're prepared to condemn such discourse from all sides, I consider it feigned outrage when you only do it against one side.

And, as I've said, my beef in this thread isn't with the politicians. I expect them to behave like partisans at their own political conventions. My beef is with the "fair and balanced" "news" network that's seems to have been disingenuous with its audience and doesn't give it credit for having a brain.

 

[Ahlevah]

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Trotting out a grieving parent in order to make political hay against an opponent should be wrong no matter who does it.

Yeah, I agree, but then this is American politics. It's always been like making an omelette--messy.

 

[Mr Person]

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The Fox News guy in change of "breaking news" must have been pressing the "snooze" alarm.

Nah, they were just being Fair and Balanced by hiding a speech critical of the Republican candidate for President from their viewers. It's those dirty liberals at the NYT who are biased for having mentioned its existence.

 

[Mr Person]

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Trotting out a grieving parent in order to make political hay against an opponent should be wrong no matter who does it.

Trump has consistently villified and targeted muslims throughout his campaign. When their child gave their life for America, their child gave more than Trump ever did or will. And you want to tell them not to speak their mind against the man who villifies them?

 

[CanadaJohn]

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Trump has consistently villified and targeted muslims throughout his campaign. When their child gave their life for America, their child gave more than Trump ever did or will. And you want to tell them not to speak their mind against the man who villifies them?

The Democrats trotted out identity politics victims during their entire convention. The Khans were just a couple more useful idiots for them to exploit.

As for their son's sacrifice, I completely honour his choice to serve and die for his country. That's on him, and has nothing to do with his religious faith, at least not to my knowledge. As a descendant of Pakistanis, I can fully appreciate how he may want to serve America to destroy those in Afghanistan, many of whom caused harm to Pakistan and Pakistanis over the years. Did he serve because he was a Muslim to defend against the bastardization of his religious faith? - I don't know and I didn't hear anything in that regard.

As for the parents, they didn't sacrifice anything. They didn't order their son to serve and they didn't order that he die in the service of his country.

The son's service and his death had nothing to do with his being a Muslim and Democrats and the Khans used their own son's death to peddle a narrative that perhaps the son would be ashamed to hear.

They have every right to speak and they should have every expectation that their words would be responded to. Dredging up your son's death from 12 years ago to pander for political sympathy and effect is wrong, and does a disservice to the young man's life and memory. You being a liberal, I appreciate you just wouldn't get it.

 

[Mr Person]

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The Democrats trotted out identity politics victims during their entire convention.

I find this to be a slimey post, in the extreme. Attacking an opponent's position on identity politics is not culpable. Most of Trump's campaign has been identity politics: attack Mexicans, attack Syrians...actually no, attack 1,500,000,000 billions worldwide because the actions of a few. But somehow, that's not identity politics. Responding is?

That's on him, and has nothing to do with his religious faith, at least not to my knowledge.

That was entirely the point.

That was precisely the point.

That was exactly, completely, and truly literally the point.

Trump disagrees.

The Khans were just a couple more useful idiots for them to exploit.

Muslim parents who lost a son to serve the country in the place of people like Trump are useful idiots if they speak out against Trump regarding his statements about muslims?

. Dredging up your son's death from 12 years ago to pander for political sympathy and effect is wrong, and does a disservice to the young man's life and memory.

Did you see yourself typing this?

You claim to know more than his parents what does and does not do a "service" to his life and memory? Some random conservative on the internet gets to judge whether or not parents served their child's memory, based on his pre-existing political condition?

Have you lost a child?

You being a liberal,

Yeah, I didn't see that ending coming.

 

[CanadaJohn]

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I find this to be a slimey post, in the extreme. Attacking an opponent's position on identity politics is not culpable. Most of Trump's campaign has been identity politics: attack Mexicans, attack Syrians...actually no, attack 1,500,000,000 billions worldwide because the actions of a few. But somehow, that's not identity politics. Responding is?




That was entirely the point.

That was precisely the point.

That was exactly, completely, and truly literally the point.

Trump disagrees.






Muslim parents who lost a son to serve the country in the place of people like Trump are useful idiots if they speak out against Trump regarding his statements about muslims?




Did you see yourself typing this?

You claim to know more than his parents what does and does not do a "service" to his life and memory? Some random conservative on the internet gets to judge whether or not parents served their child's memory, based on his pre-existing political condition?

Have you lost a child?





Yeah, I didn't see that ending coming.

1. The thread is not about Trump, although I appreciate you want it to be. It is and was about the parents and Fox News' treatment of their presentation - my comments have been related to those issues. The fact you find my comments to be a "slimey (sic) post, in the extreme" simply validates my view that liberals use faux-outrage on a regular basis, practically as a cottage industry, and often, as you have, right here on DP.

2. If the presentation had nothing to do with Muslims or the faith of the parents or soldier, why pick a Muslim soldier who died 12 years ago and not a soldier who died this year, last year, during the Obama administration. Your naïve ignorance notwithstanding, the religion of the parents was the only reason they were there.

3. I don't claim to know more than the parents about their son - I simply offer an opinion that could be just as valid as theirs. Their son is dead, so we'll never know. You can choose to believe that a soldier who died in the service of his country would love to have his death paraded out for political pandering. I have more respect for those who voluntarily serve their country.

4. Yes, I have, a son at a very young age and a wife in the same accident. I offer that only to answer your question and not to illicit sympathy or support of my views.

5. I'm sure you did see it coming - you asked for such a response and you got it.

 

[Mr Person]

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1. The thread is not about Trump, although I appreciate you want it to be. It is and was about the parents and Fox News' treatment of their presentation - my comments have been related to those issues. The fact you find my comments to be a "slimey (sic) post, in the extreme" simply validates my view that liberals use faux-outrage on a regular basis, practically as a cottage industry, and often, as you have, right here on DP.

2. If the presentation had nothing to do with Muslims or the faith of the parents or soldier, why pick a Muslim soldier who died 12 years ago and not a soldier who died this year, last year, during the Obama administration. Your naïve ignorance notwithstanding, the religion of the parents was the only reason they were there.

3. I don't claim to know more than the parents about their son - I simply offer an opinion that could be just as valid as theirs. Their son is dead, so we'll never know. You can choose to believe that a soldier who died in the service of his country would love to have his death paraded out for political pandering. I have more respect for those who voluntarily serve their country.

4. Yes, I have, a son at a very young age and a wife in the same accident. I offer that only to answer your question and not to illicit sympathy or support of my views.

5. I'm sure you did see it coming - you asked for such a response and you got it.

Why are you immediately ruling out the possibility that this was legitimately an aggrieved person who had something to say because he meant it? You haven't layed out any facts indicating that somehow, the Democrats cooked this up. It just seems to be a knee-jerk assumption that IF muslim parents have something to say at the DNC it is necessarily illegitimate, and therefore Fox was right to cut out that portion of their convention and Trump was wrong to criticize it.

I was not attacking you when asking about a child. I simply cannot imagine losing one. I cannot imagine someone choosing to use their own child's death for political points, as you seem to be alleging against this speaker, in support of the defense of Fox not covering it. How could you assume such a thing? How could Fox be right to decide to cut that portion out on this assumption?

There must be such people out there. If there is such evil as Stalin and Hitler in the world, then surely lesser evils are possible. But how do you just assume this of the speaker? Would you stay silent if in his shoes? Who would?



(And yes, Trump has everything to do with it. He is the Republican nominee and right wing media backs up, just like left wing media backs left candidates. It'd be naive in the extreme to think our political-media system is anything but that interconnected)

 

[Aunt Spiker]

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The Fox News guy in change of "breaking news" must have been pressing the "snooze" alarm.

So - Obama doesn't wear a US Flag pen and spends time apologizing for the US, Fox News bashes him, and people bash Fox News for it claiming they're over sensitive and dramatic buffoons.

Then they cut away from a speech and people bash Fox News for that - claiming they're racists, or what have you. . . Flip Flop or what?

What about all the other News Channels? Were they showing it? Do people even notice what everyone else does?

 

[Glowpun]

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How many minutes of stage speeches did Fox broadcast, and what did the other networks do?

That is the question, I dont think it was expected that this couple of minutes was going to pop like it did. I mean I kinda get it but it was sure schmaltzy.



I think the response is " Sir, your boy died for nothing. He died because your leaders were incompetent and they lied to him and they sent him to a war that should have never been fought, one that has cost us over $2.3 trillion so far a number that will keep growing till all of those brave young people die. A lot of them have limbs missing, and brain injuries, and PTSD, life is a challenge for them, and none of that would have happened had you had even minimally competent leadership. But Trump, the one guy in all this time who has had a problem with that and has been willing to talk about it, it is Trump you want to bitch about?

OK, I guess, if you think you have to, but if it were me I think would make a different choice if I were in your shoes".

I can see deciding that this diatribe from a dead soldiers parents directed at a questionable target as part of the Team Hillary sales pitch was a good time to break away to get some Talking Heads time.

Blah, blah, blah blame that idiot president and VP who got you guys into wars for which there was no evidence of WMDs. I am NOT talking about Obama here. He had to clean up the mess wrought by those other guys.

 

[Hawkeye10]

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Blah, blah, blah blame that idiot president and VP who got you guys into wars for which there was no evidence of WMDs. I am NOT talking about Obama here. He had to clean up the mess wrought by those other guys.

I am a proud member of the Zen Socialist Party

Which is LEFTY.

NOT R!
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Take your complaint down the block to someone who cares.

 

[AGENT J]

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Well, I've always taken Fox's "news" peppered with conservative commentary with a grain of salt, just as I've done with CNN or MSNBC, but this latest example seems to be a particularly cynical attempt to manipulate their viewers. It also tells me wonders about their true opinion of their audience, i.e. they must not hold them in particularly high regard, as in people who are capable of digesting all of the facts and forming their own (intelligent) opinions.

Maybe maybe bot maybe they just accept the reality that at best they are entertainment with a dash of news just like MSNBC.

 

[AGENT J]

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I may be biased in my biased observing but it seems to me that MsNBC has been caught more times than Fox with actually manipulating sounds, images etc whereas Fox just slants right and covers things that are anti-left or pro right. In fact, I would be interested in incidents of Fox manipulating the news. I'm not saying it hasn't happened, I'm just saying I personally haven't heard of it.

I have no interest in trying to sell anybody on reality. You are free to feel however you want but IMO anybody that takes Fox or MSNBC seriously and doesnt think they are the two biggest biased and dishonest american news groups is part of the problem with politics today.

 

[Caine]

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The Fox News guy in change of "breaking news" must have been pressing the "snooze" alarm.

LOL...

I was watching Fox's DNC coverage.

Unless it was Hillary, Bill, Jo Biden, Obama, Chelsea, or Tim Kaine....... they were too busy talking to guests on the show to bother to show much of anyone's speeches, and cutting in to other news segments for brief moments.

So, yeah, you can try to make it out that they were trying to ignore this specific dude, but, they ignored half the people.

And apparently they did the same for the RNC, or at least that is one complaint from one of their guests they had on a late night segment after the RNC. This guest whose name I can't remember now (I think it was just some actor) stated they had to watch CNN because Fox news wouldn't stop talking during people's speeches.

 

[Caine]

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On domestic questions, PS. And, if you know me here at DP, you'd know I am not one to defend the other news networks either. But there is no doubt that FoxNews is lowest on the totem pole. As in the OP, Fox decides what is the news du jour. Obviously, a Muslim American -- who's son died in battle -- is something they'd rather not show. No doubt it would have garnered sympathy from it's older viewing audience.




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Yeah...

They won't show it... but apparently they will talk about it and devote large segments to later shows with star hosts who have popular shows, and even bring the man in to interview him about the whole thing.



But yeah.... they don't want you to see that!!!!


Before you go criticizing Fox's coverage of the DNC.... try watching it next time. I was on Fox News pretty much the whole DNC, It was on the TV while I was doing World of Warcraft Archeology bored out of my mind.

 

[Master PO]

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Really? Why do you find it hard to believe?

Forbes Welcome

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lol......so because Michael B Kelley saids this ,that makes it true?

whos Michael B Kelley..... nobody

its amazing how people think 1 media is not as bad as another......"both are propaganda machines"...and dumb down americans

 

[RetiredNSmilin]

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Well cant have a black muslim on Fox News... just think what the white Christian minds would think?

racist much?

 

[PeteEU]

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racist much?

That all you got? You dont think it is racist or/and islamophobic what Fox News did? Seriously?

 

[RetiredNSmilin]

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That all you got? You dont think it is racist or/and islamophobic what Fox News did? Seriously?

Yes I do. On that same page, I ALSO considered your post very RACIST too.

divide, divide, divide....drive that wedge just as hard as you can.

 

[RetiredUSN]

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That all you got? You dont think it is racist or/and islamophobic what Fox News did? Seriously?

I tune out my own wife when she carries on............does that make me a misogynist?

 

[Ahlevah]

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LOL...

I was watching Fox's DNC coverage.

Unless it was Hillary, Bill, Jo Biden, Obama, Chelsea, or Tim Kaine....... they were too busy talking to guests on the show to bother to show much of anyone's speeches, and cutting in to other news segments for brief moments.

So, yeah, you can try to make it out that they were trying to ignore this specific dude, but, they ignored half the people.

And apparently they did the same for the RNC, or at least that is one complaint from one of their guests they had on a late night segment after the RNC. This guest whose name I can't remember now (I think it was just some actor) stated they had to watch CNN because Fox news wouldn't stop talking during people's speeches.

I noticed the same thing during coverage of the Dallas shootings. Too many talking heads giving commentary and not enough on-site reporting. That's when I changed the channel in frustration to CNN and saw the footage a guy had taken of the actual shooting.

 

[Caine]

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I noticed the same thing during coverage of the Dallas shootings. Too many talking heads giving commentary and not enough on-site reporting. That's when I changed the channel in frustration to CNN and saw the footage a guy had taken of the actual shooting.

You see, they fill time with no new information with bringing in their "contributors" and talking to them. I would honestly rather listen to people talking about the situation than having an on site dude constantly say, "The police are standing around holding this perimeter" "Ooh.. an Ambulance is standing by two blocks away" "The ambulance is still just sitting there and the police are still holding this perimeter".... lets re-watch these other videos of when the police initially responded to the gunfire. Lets watch it again.... Lets go back and talk to our guy on the ground who is telling us the exact same **** he told us 20 minutes ago, just reworded.
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