Florida teacher called a student by their preferred name without parental permission. teaching contract on hold

[Bodi]

You think it's fine for parents to dictate to their children their identities? Seriously?

That is seriously NOT the argument. The argument is who has responsibility for the child. The parent or the school? It is obviously the parents.

You think kids are little machines - parents fill in the data and the kids become their spitting image? Send them to gay conversion camps? Is this how you see raising children? Good Lord, man.

And the Drama Train just rolled in. What? No Nazi comments?


Maybe in your next reply you can not cry and use some critical thinking?
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[NolanVoyd]

You don't have children. Got it.

I have children.

They are not now, nor have they ever been, my property.

 

[Bodi]

I have children.

And I bet that you are legally responsible to raise them and not the school, right?

They are not now, nor have they ever been, my property.

That is great news!



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[NolanVoyd]

And I bet that you are legally responsible to raise them and not the school, right?

I have my responsibilities and the school has theirs

That is great news!

So why did you respond to the guy that said kids weren't property by suggesting they didn't have kids.

 

[Bodi]

I have my responsibilities and the school has theirs

The school doesn't have any responsibility in raising your child. They teach 1+1=2 and how to read.

So why did you respond to the guy that said kids weren't property by suggesting they didn't have kids.

Quote out the discussion so that I know what you are talking about and have proper context.


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[NolanVoyd]

The school doesn't have any responsibility in raising your child. They teach 1+1=2 and how to read.

Calling a kidvwhat they want to be called is not the school 'raising your child"

Quote out the discussion so that I know what you are talking about and have proper context.


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Post 84, and your response 91.

 

[Bodi]

Calling a kidvwhat they want to be called is not the school 'raising your child"

That is in context to what I said about being legally responsible for the kid... not just some arbitrary statement.
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[roguenuke]

What do schools do with children that is against the parent's wishes?


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Plenty of things they teach that are against the parents' wishes in at least some cases.

 

[roguenuke]

no. Parents have the ultimate say on their childrens decisions

No they don't. Parents don't get to decide a lot of things for a child, including what they like, who they become friends with at school. They can try to control these things, but most people consider such parents to be assholes, especially if it is just to be controlling.

 

[roguenuke]

Parental rights trump children's rights. Parents have a primary responsibility to care for and protect children, absent parental abuse

That is and should be balanced by the children's rights. The a major problem with this country, thinking that kids don't have any rights that parents don't specifically control. There absolutely should be a balance based on age and level of reasonableness for choice, decisions, rights, as there is a huge difference between allowing children to go out past a certain time at night, for safety concerns and not allowing them to be called a certain name by others.

 

[Quag]

My brothers legal name is John, that is also my fathers name so to avoid confusion my parents called him Bill. On his very first day of school the teacher did a roll call and of course my brother didnt answer to the name John (he literally didnt know it was his legal name). Teacher couldnt figure out why the roll call sheet was wrong after all she was missing one child named John but had another named Bill. This all ended up in the principals office with our mom where my brother learned that his actual name was John. No one including the teachers ever called him John again

 

[j brown's body]

no. Parents have the ultimate say on their childrens decisions

Do you seriously think it's the parents' decision whether or not their kid is gay, straight or trans?

 

[j brown's body]

That is and should be balanced by the children's rights. The a major problem with this country, thinking that kids don't have any rights that parents don't specifically control. There absolutely should be a balance based on age and level of reasonableness for choice, decisions, rights, as there is a huge difference between allowing children to go out past a certain time at night, for safety concerns and not allowing them to be called a certain name by others.

It's really not even about rights, it's about identity, about who you are.

it's like arguing that it's a right to be introverted or extroverted.

 

[roguenuke]

It's really not even about rights, it's about identity, about who you are.

it's like arguing that it's a right to be introverted or extroverted.

That is a right though, those are rights. They just aren't rights we think about, since they aren't specifically laid out in the Constitution. But that's why we have the catchall Amendment.

 

[j brown's body]

I have children.

They are not now, nor have they ever been, my property.

Don't indulge him.

When they have no logical argument, they come with personal attacks.

That's what Bodi is reduced to here.

 

[j brown's body]

That is a right though, those are rights. They just aren't rights we think about, since they aren't specifically laid out in the Constitution. But that's why we have the catchall Amendment.

Seems like they get around depriving them of rights buy punishing the teacher, not the kid.

 

[j brown's body]

That is seriously NOT the argument. The argument is who has responsibility for the child. The parent or the school? It is obviously the parents.



And the Drama Train just rolled in. What? No Nazi comments?


Maybe in your next reply you can not cry and use some critical thinking?
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It comes back to same argument you are avoiding and responding to with a personal insults. Parents can't force their kids to be gay, straight or trans. It's not only absurd, it's child abuse.

And firing teachers won't change that.

Reminds me of an old children's record. Very popular among those who, based on your logic, must not have been parents.

 

[bomberfox]

What do schools do with children that is against the parent's wishes?


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Teach evolutionary theory, integrated schools, etc. this should have been an easy one for you.

 

[bomberfox]

Gawd this is like such an easy answer yet because we think parents have unlimited rights over their children we cant even imagine children having the faintest say.

 

[bomberfox]

The issue here is about who has legal responsibility of the child... the parents or the school?


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Both. Did you seriously not learn in loco parentis?

 

[Bodecea]

she “knowingly did not comply with state statute,”

Why is it that people think they can just violate laws and school district rules with impunity?

"They were only following orders"

 

[Bodecea]

When fallout comes from teachers using (or refusing to use) students' preferred names

Backlash has erupted after Florida district fired a high school teacher who used student's preferred name without the parents' explicit permission.

www.usatoday.com

A teacher trying to connect with her student. How terrible.

There's a lot of support for her from her students at least.

No wonder MAGAts hate it.

 

[j brown's body]

Teach evolutionary theory, integrated schools, etc. this should have been an easy one for you.

Prejudice gets in the way. Some people deny the existence of transgender. I suspect that is what we are seeing here.

 

[Bodecea]

I really want to see students changing their pronouns everyday - she today, he tomorrow, back and forth .... really jack with the teachers all the time ... fun stuff

Of course you do.

 

[Bodecea]

Another right-winger ignoring the needs of children in education.

I'd hate to know where you all would have come down on protecting runaway slaves.

It's important to know that they would have turned Anne Frank in.