Florida teacher called a student by their preferred name without parental permission. teaching contract on hold (1 Viewer)

[Bodecea]

Let's see. Runaway slaves from the 19th century.
Is that relevant in the 21st century? Should I worry about that now?
I'm more concerned with the SF Forty-niners rebuilding their team to get back to the NFL playoffs.

Just obeying orders.

 

[roguenuke]

My brothers legal name is John, that is also my fathers name so to avoid confusion my parents called him Bill. On his very first day of school the teacher did a roll call and of course my brother didnt answer to the name John (he literally didnt know it was his legal name). Teacher couldnt figure out why the roll call sheet was wrong after all she was missing one child named John but had another named Bill. This all ended up in the principals office with our mom where my brother learned that his actual name was John. No one including the teachers ever called him John again

My grandma was called Bill. Had absolutely no connection to her legal name. My grandpa, her husband, also had a nickname that wasn't any connection to his name (but weirdly was a common nickname for his brother's name, who also went by a completely different name than his given one). I didn't actually think about it, but my other grandfather also went by a name that wasn't connected to his given name too. Nicknames are very common in my family. I hated mine (nickname), but that might also be why I prefer to be called by my first name because my family's nickname for me was derogatory.

 

[jaypatriot]

Just obeying orders.

New NFL season coming up. How much attention should I be paying to runaway slaves in the 19th century?
Oh, BTW, I do believe Harriet Tubman was a good, courageous person. Is that enough attention?

 

[anatta]

That is and should be balanced by the children's rights. The a major problem with this country, thinking that kids don't have any rights that parents don't specifically control. There absolutely should be a balance based on age and level of reasonableness for choice, decisions, rights, as there is a huge difference between allowing children to go out past a certain time at night, for safety concerns and not allowing them to be called a certain name by others.

you take the position switching gender is like switching socks. Most of us opposed to such cavalier approach to self-identification think it's a much more serious concern -hence the need for parental rights

 

[anatta]

Do you seriously think it's the parents' decision whether or not their kid is gay, straight or trans?

those are not needed to switch genders, if i follow the rules

 

[roguenuke]

you take the position switching gender is like switching socks. Most of us opposed to such cavalier approach to self-identification think it's a much more serious concern -hence the need for parental rights

Teenagers constantly look to try out different identities. It isn't generally harmful, especially when doing such simple things like what name or even pronouns they go by. Absolutely nothing else can be done until they are adults and/or speak to a therapist, so there is no reason to be against that. It isn't harmful. It would be even less likely to be harmful at all if parents were supporting their children, even if in a cautious way. It doesn't actually mean the parent has to be enthusiastic, but being supportive could mean ensuring your child feels they are able to talk to you, without being automatically judged and/or denied simply because you personally feel offense or hold ridiculous views.

 

[anatta]

Teenagers constantly look to try out different identities. It isn't generally harmful, especially when doing such simple things like what name or even pronouns they go by. Absolutely nothing else can be done until they are adults and/or speak to a therapist, so there is no reason to be against that. It isn't harmful. It would be even less likely to be harmful at all if parents were supporting their children, even if in a cautious way. It doesn't actually mean the parent has to be enthusiastic, but being supportive could mean ensuring your child feels they are able to talk to you, without being automatically judged and/or denied simply because you personally feel offense or hold ridiculous views.

you present a false premise that parental authority precludes good communication between parents and children. not so
i've gone over the fact a nickname isn't the same as switching genders/switching self identification -which can lead to gender confusion

If it doesn't matter what pronouns one uses, then it doesn't matter how you self identify -which is of course patently false

 

[j brown's body]

those are not needed to switch genders, if i follow the rules

You are arguing that it's up to the parents to determine if their child is gay straight or trans, which is obviously absurd.

It's like arguing parents determine if their child is an extrovert or an intovert.

This, again, is simply child abuse.

 

[roguenuke]

you present a false premise that parental authority precludes good communication between parents and children. not so
i've gone over the fact a nickname isn't the same as switching genders/switching self identification -which can lead to gender confusion

If it doesn't matter what pronouns one uses, then it doesn't matter how you self identify -which is of course patently false

It does. If you think that there is an issue with a child using a different name, or even different pronouns, you aren't actually listening to them, their views.

And yes, nicknames are really close to the same, especially if your issue is a nickname that you consider the wrong gender for that child. Like a girl being called Steve or George or a boy who wants to go by Elizabeth or Mari.

 

[j brown's body]

It does. If you think that there is an issue with a child using a different name, or even different pronouns, you aren't actually listening to them, their views.

And yes, nicknames are really close to the same, especially if your issue is a nickname that you consider the wrong gender for that child. Like a girl being called Steve or George or a boy who wants to go by Elizabeth or Mari.

"Children should be seen, but not heard."

 

[Bodi]

Do you seriously think it's the parents' decision whether or not their kid is gay, straight or trans?

Nobody has ever debated that it was....


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[Bodi]

Teach evolutionary theory, integrated schools, etc. this should have been an easy one for you.

The kid does not have to take the class


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[Bodi]

Both. Did you seriously not learn in loco parentis?

This discussion is not about what to do during a fire drill... this is about forcing an agenda.... and a kid can be home-schooled? Didn't think of that one during your fit of arrogance, did ya.,

 

[Bodi]

It comes back to same argument you are avoiding and responding to with a personal insults. Parents can't force their kids to be gay, straight or trans. It's not only absurd, it's child abuse.

And firing teachers won't change that.

Reminds me of an old children's record. Very popular among those who, based on your logic, must not have been parents.

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You just assume way too much to discuss things with...



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[j brown's body]

You just assume way too much to discuss things with...



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I simply point out to that it's impossible, and a form of abuse because it I impossible for a parent to force an identity onto a child, and that firing teachers won't make trans kids go away.

Way too much? Seriously?

 

[j brown's body]

This reminds me of when they forced left-handed kids to write right-handed.

 

[Bodi]

I simply point out to that it's impossible, and a form of abuse because it I impossible for a parent to force an identity onto a child, and that firing teachers won't make trans kids go away.

Way too much? Seriously?

That is not assuming nor was it my point...

 

[j brown's body]

That is not assuming nor was it my point...

My assuming that your assertion that I must not be a parent was intended as a personal insult?

 

[Bodi]

My assuming that your assertion that I must not be a parent was intended as a personal insult?

You assume that everything is an insult... or a Nazi.

*shrug*

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