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First charges filed in Mueller investigation

MateoMtnClimber said:
I know the timeline. The point that you and some people who are like-minded continue to miss, regardless of the dossier, is that both the Democrats and the Republicans hired outside firms to research their opponents. If that was wrong, they're all wrong. If it was fine, they're all fine.
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It's perfectly legal to hire people to research your opponents.

It's not legal to solicit information that was acquired through criminal means, such as hacking your political opponents.

It's also not legal to try to shut down an investigation of your criminal wrong-doing.

Enjoy your Monday. :)
 
Hawkeye10 said:
If you are telling me that you need a fine tooth comb to find such a bad guy (allegedly) over decades then you have just argued Trumps point that the Elite have failed in their duties.

That plus the man is presumed innocent.

BECAUSE JUSTICE
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As a ****ing memeber of the elite he has enjoyed the protections the elites always do.
 
What if...? said:
Technically they took over payments on a dossier originally commissioned by an unnamed republican.

And I'm.pretty sure that once indictments are made the grand jury proceedings are already over, technically.
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The grand jury proceedings are over, but the suspect is arrested, charged, and then the trial process starts.

So we will all hear about this ad infinitum for the next 2 years at least.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
The prosecutor getting the scalps he wants being of course what matters here, not justice.

This was supposed to be about the election, not routine ancient financial crimes that had nothing to do with the election when they were committed.

That would be abuse of Mueller's mandate, and if he does claim that these crimes have anything to do with the election then he is lying.

And I am not buying "Well Trump is blackmailable" because he does not put up with that, as we all should know.
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He literally wants us to ignore crimes because it makes Donny Boy look bad :lamo
 
poweRob said:
How could you possibly know the details of any of what you just said?
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For one thing, Steele was hired by FUSION in June after the WFB (the website, not the deceased William F) cut loose FUSION in May.
While the Dems hired FUSION in April through their law firm Perkins Coie.

As a humorous aside, half the people on TV who should know better are calling the law firm Perkins COLE and not Perkins COIE.
Lower case "l" and "i" do look similar but still ....
 
humbolt said:
Having the cat out of the bag on the Fusion thing, the left is reduced to saying that the right did it too. That, unfortunately for them, is not an applicable comparison.

Banks records are forthcoming. Should be interesting, as it seems nobody knows who authorized the multi-million dollar expenditure. And I make a habit of losing track of millions myself all the time. :roll:
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The right has a habit of losing a lot more than that.
 
pillars said:
Rosenstein appointed Mueller and has the power to fire him, so presumably, Mueller is keeping him apprised of his progress.
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Agree--I think Mueller would be informing Rosenstein on the progress.
 
bubbabgone said:
That's where you're wrong.
You can't dismiss the importance of the dossier because it was born out of the FUSION contract with Steele and sourced by Russian input.
And reductively the funding of those sources was with laundered Democrat Party money that apparently was not declared as a campaign expense ... that would violate campaign finance laws.
With the Free Beacon and FUSION, there's no evidence that it used anything other than domestic sources.
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I'm not aware of any direct connection between Steele and Clinton's campaign. Are you? The dossier appears to be between Steele and Fusion. As far as I know, Republicans hired Fusion (and then fired it in May-16); and Democrats hired Fusion in Apr-16.

Fusion's tactics might have changed when it hired Steele in Jun-16, but again, I haven't seen nor heard any information that suggests that either party did anything differently with regard to hiring Fusion. In that sense, Steele was Fusion's subcontractor and had no proximate relationship to either campaign.

There are hundreds of thousands of dollars of FEC disclosures from both the Clinton campaign and the DNC to Perkins Coie and Fusion, so I'm not sure that any money was laundered.
 
poweRob said:
How could you possibly know the details of any of what you just said?
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What if...? said:
Technically they took over payments on a dossier originally commissioned by an unnamed republican.

And I'm.pretty sure that once indictments are made the grand jury proceedings are already over, technically.
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Come on, y'all...this isn't hidden knowledge. It's not a conspiracy. It's fact. Get straight on this and quit wasting my time.

Fusion GPS and the Washington Free Beacon - Washington Free Beacon
 
bubbabgone said:
For one thing, Steele was hired by FUSION in June after the WFB (the website, not the deceased William F) cut loose FUSION in May.
While the Dems hired FUSION in April through their law firm Perkins Coie.

As a humorous aside, half the people on TV who should know better are calling the law firm Perkins COLE and not Perkins COIE.
Lower case "l" and "i" do look similar but still ....
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I'm sure we are both looking at the same timeline drawn out by the right wing hack site The Daily Caller. Perkins Cole didn't seek out fusion. Fusion approached perkins cole to beg to continue their research in March. Perkins cole agreed and hired them in April.

All this of course being reported by the Daily Caller. I still don't see what was done wrong here.
 
What if...? said:
Oh ffs.

Ever consider a clerk of the court doing it for a fat payday?

LOTS of people.know when indictments are filed.

And we've spent decades propagandizing the population that "greed is good".

You got way to many suspects with a motive to be making the claim you are.
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LOL!!

Yeah...you could be right. Maybe it was the janitor.
 
Mycroft said:
Sorry, but they hired the same firm to do two completely different things. Try as you might, there is NO connection between what WFB did and what the Dems did.
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Please show us the consulting and services contracts executed between Fusion GPS and the entities that hired them. You have no way to substantiate your claims.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Our politicians do increasingly suck, which makes it increasingly unlikely that they will get done what needs to be done for this now very broken America, which had a lot to do with why I was mostly out of interest in politicians from the Clintons's 60 minutes interview about Lewinsky till 9.10.15 when I decided that Trump is different, that Trump might be able to get something done.

He was a sight for sore eyes I assure you.
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I also thought trump might get something done.

But my thought was more along the lines of "creative destruction".

He'll wreck things so bad an actual overhaul will not only be possible but necessary.

He's never said anything he didn't see on conservative media recently. Often just before.

Fu k, he can barely finish a sentence and refers to himself in the third person because he likes to near his name.
 
apdst said:
You better tell that to your buddies...

https://www.google.com/amp/thehill....-reward-in-exchange-for-trump-tax-returns?amp
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Really--your conspiracy theories and linking to your right wing web sites are no longer working.

Get your coloring books and crayons out--turn on your FOX news, read your Brietbart & Drudge report--make certain to tune into Rush Limbaugh--Sean Hannity and whomever else you listen too, you're in for one hell of a ride.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/18/us/politics/mueller-russia-investigation.html?_r=0
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/paul-manafort-retroactively-registers-justice-department-foreign-agent/


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Mycroft said:
There is nothing in Mueller's authorization letter that requires him to notify Rosenstein. In fact, it says quite the opposite.
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I see that he can prosecute on his discretion.

Did you leave out the part where it says he doesn't have to tell his boss he did it?
 
poweRob said:
The right has a habit of losing a lot more than that.
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Rotten, I agree, but that's about theft, and not lying about who spent what on what during a presidential campaign. If we are to get into a tit for tat on government authorized cash shipped abroad that may not have been such a good idea, it would be a long and pointless exercise. This subject is not that. This is about a domestic political campaign. It's simply not believable that the DNC and the Clinton Campaign simply handed Perkins Cole a big pile of money and said, "Do something."
 
pillars said:
It's perfectly legal to hire people to research your opponents.

It's not legal to solicit information that was acquired through criminal means, such as hacking your political opponents.

It's also not legal to try to shut down an investigation of your criminal wrong-doing.

Enjoy your Monday. :)
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You misunderstood me there. We have been on the same page, I think, throughout this thread.
 
Oreo said:
Really--your conspiracy theories and linking to your right wing web sites are no longer working.

Get your coloring books and crayons out--turn on your FOX news, read your Brietbart & Drudge report--make certain to tune into Rush Limbaugh--Sean Hannity and whomever else you listen too, you're in for one hell of a ride.

th
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The retorts from the Left get more intelligent all the time. Are you still windering why President Trump is in the White House? :lamo

Yes, that first sentence was sarcasm.

Hadms it dawned on any of you that the use of ridicule and refusal to take the other side seriously has injured your agenda?

There's an old saying: never underestimate your opponent.
 
Oreo said:
Really--your conspiracy theories and linking to your right wing web sites are no longer working.

Get your coloring books and crayons out--turn on your FOX news, read your Brietbart & Drudge report--make certain to tune into Rush Limbaugh--Sean Hannity and whomever else you listen too, you're in for one hell of a ride.

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That links to the " The Hill ". Right wing website ? Hardly
 
poweRob said:
So? What are you saying? The Clinton campaign hired oppo research firm?
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That firm that solicited inoformation from the Russian government.

Is soliciting information from the Russian government illegal?
 
Deuce said:
Remember when I said you're the guy who says BUT BUT BUT HILLARY in 80% of threads, and you asked for a link?
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Democrats don't get to throw **** against a wall eternally with no challenge....The fact is that Hillary is a corrupt, criminal who's statute of limitations don't disappear because she lost an election. That traitor sold the country's national security out for personal gain....
 
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