Family of Florida teen killed by neighborhood watch volunteer feel 'betrayed' by law

[Sheik Yerbuti]

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Well, unless you possess some kind of telepathic ability, there's no way you can know that.

But, who needs telepathy when the shooter is white and the victim is black. Right?

Not just black, but a f'ing coon. According to Zimmerman anyway.

 

[Samhain]

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Zimmermann appears to have called Martin, a "****ing coon".

The only people who appear to believe that is yourself, and commentators. The police believe he says "****ing punks". But please continue to say whatever you wish.

 

[rocket88]

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Oh! Well! My God! Let's hang him from the nearest tree...what with daming evidence like that.

You've convinced me. Why didn't you say that from the beginning?

I didn't say hang him based on this evidence. I said there should be a trial to determine his guilt or lack thereof.

Um...considering what?

My understanding is that you are a black man. So it's ironic to hear you go on about "reverse racism."

 

[Thunder]

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The only people who appear to believe that is yourself, and commentators.....

really? Myself and a few news commentators, are the ONLY ones on Earth, who believe this?

wow.

 

[Thunder]

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...My understanding is that you are a black man. So it's ironic to hear you go on about "reverse racism."

its also ironic, considering the many racist & prejudiced comments apdst has made in this forum.

 

[Samhain]

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I didn't say hang him based on this evidence. I said there should be a trial to determine his guilt or lack thereof.

That's not what trials are for. That's for a grand jury or the prosecutors office, after the police have gathered the evidence and established that they believe a crime has been committed.

 

[Samhain]

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really? Myself and a few news commentators, are the ONLY ones on Earth, who believe this?

wow.

Yes. You read the headline to the story where they state that "some believe" that he says ****ing coons. Later in the articles, they state an audio expert, ya know, someone with more experience with their ears than you, says he said ****ing punks.

Its cool though. You are entitled to your opinion.

 

[joko104]

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The only people who appear to believe that is yourself, and commentators. The police believe he says "****ing punks". But please continue to say whatever you wish.

The truth really doesn't matter anymore.

Like in the movie MINORITY REPORT, "everyone runs."
At this it no longer matters what is truth or what the evidence is, Zimmerman's only chase is to make a run for it. The police openly tried to set him up to be killed, blocking all address and contact information for witnesses, but Zimmerman's address and phone number released including then to the mob and to those making death threats. Media talking heads, politicians and now the spokesperson for the Justice Department - selecting an African-American woman - has declared Zimmerman guilty, that he engaged in a race-hate crime and in presenting why notably excluded even mentioning the ONLY eye witness says it was Zimmerman down on the ground with Martin over him - instead the Justice Department spokesperson declaring Zimmerman ran Martin down and shot him.

Zimmerman is a nobody, an average intelligence at best guy who got too deeply into opposing crime and mistakenly believing people should give a damn about others in their neighborhood. There is no good end for this out of Zimmerman. They can get him killed in jail awaiting trial, or beaten and raped in jail until he agrees to plea out. If he lives to make it to jail. He will get the crappiest possible appointed lawyer who really doesn't work for him, only the government.

Before there is a warrant for his arrest he should quickly make is plan, sell his truck fast if he can, gather all his pennies, and make a run for it. When you are a nobody and a major political party, every federal appointee whose job depends on the White House remaining Democrat and it to their advantage to crushing you as their political tool, the police are setting up for a lynch mob and those making death threats, and the political Justice Department openly distorting and hiding evidence for the goal of stirring up universal national hatred for you, you ain't got a chance.

Since there is no warrant as of yet for him I am aware of and the police already drove him out of his home, he should make a run for it because as of now its not illegal for him to do so.

 

[Samhain]

Re: Family of Florida teen killed by neighborhood watch volunteer feel 'betrayed' by

The truth really doesn't matter anymore.

Like in the movie MINORITY REPORT, "everyone runs."
At this it no longer matters what is truth or what the evidence is, Zimmerman's only chase is to make a run for it. The police openly tried to set him up to be killed, blocking all address and contact information for witnesses, but Zimmerman's address and phone number released including then to the mob and to those making death threats. Media talking heads, politicians and now the spokesperson for the Justice Department - selecting an African-American woman - has declared Zimmerman guilty, that he engaged in a race-hate crime and in presenting why notably excluded even mentioning the ONLY eye witness says it was Zimmerman down on the ground with Martin over him - instead the Justice Department spokesperson declaring Zimmerman ran Martin down and shot him.

Zimmerman is a nobody, an average intelligence at best guy who got too deeply into opposing crime and mistakenly believing people should give a damn about others in their neighborhood. There is no good end for this out of Zimmerman. They can get him killed in jail awaiting trial, or beaten and raped in jail until he agrees to plea out. If he lives to make it to jail. He will get the crappiest possible appointed lawyer who really doesn't work for him, only the government.

Before there is a warrant for his arrest he should quickly make is plan, sell his truck fast if he can, gather all his pennies, and make a run for it. When you are a nobody and a major political party, every federal appointee whose job depends on the White House remaining Democrat and it to their advantage to crushing you as their political tool, the police are setting up for a lynch mob and those making death threats, and the political Justice Department openly distorting and hiding evidence for the goal of stirring up universal national hatred for you, you ain't got a chance.

Since there is no warrant as of yet for him I am aware of and the police already drove him out of his home, he should make a run for it because as of now its not illegal for him to do so.

Wow. That was quite a stretch there. Sounds like a good movie plot.

 

[apdst]

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The only people who appear to believe that is yourself, and commentators. The police believe he says "****ing punks". But please continue to say whatever you wish.

We're not going to let the facts confuse what our ideology tells us. :rofl

 

[rocket88]

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That's not what trials are for. That's for a grand jury or the prosecutors office, after the police have gathered the evidence and established that they believe a crime has been committed.

Has this gone before a grand jury?

 

[apdst]

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I didn't say hang him based on this evidence. I said there should be a trial to determine his guilt or lack thereof.




My understanding is that you are a black man. So it's ironic to hear you go on about "reverse racism."

Quote me, where I said anything about reverse racism. Thanks in advance.

If you can't, then just admit that your putting words into my mouth and drop it.

 

[apdst]

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Has this gone before a grand jury?

No it hasn't, but you're ready to just skip the grand jury and go straight to trial.

That's why I say just hang'im. I mean, if you're going to circumvent the law, go all the way. Anything worth doing, is worth doing right.

 

[joko104]

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Wow. That was quite a stretch there. Sounds like a good movie plot.

Zimmerman has no legal obligation to stick around and if he leaves there is nothing negative against him in doing so. Due to death threats and police releasing his address and phone number, he would be rational to do so. He should just legally disappear until after the November election so he can not be used the Obama Justice Department in the swing state of Florida.

This also would reduce the amount of them he was in jail while prosecutors and his crappy appointed attorney "prepare the case" if a warrant is issued. A warrant issued after he vanishes doesn't mean he jumped bail and a person has no duty to turn himself in - meaning it not illegal. In short, he has to decide if he want to sit in jail or be out of jail but in legal hiding. I would pick legally hiding than being in jail when the Media, Justice Department and then in toe-step tens of millions of people are raging hatred and calling for revenge against me.

He should vanish for rather obvious reasons while he still can.

 

[Kreton]

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He should vanish for rather obvious reasons while he still can

The obvious such as his impending arrest for murder.

 

[Thunder]

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...He should vanish for rather obvious reasons while he still can.

cowards are known to do such things. and he is clearly, a coward.

 

[rocket88]

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No it hasn't, but you're ready to just skip the grand jury and go straight to trial.

That's why I say just hang'im. I mean, if you're going to circumvent the law, go all the way. Anything worth doing, is worth doing right.

Fine, go to the grand jury first. I'd be happy if they had arrested him and started the legal processes. They haven't.

 

[What if...?]

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Of course, but because the act was racist to begin with. If the kid were white, Zimmerman would not have suspected him of a crime.

I'm not convinced it was racially motivated. Apart from the "coon/punk" statement.

Zimmerman wanted a COLLAR. He probably had wood right up to the point he got his ass kicked.

Wannabe COP, not necessarily racist. Could be he is, but the evidence is shaky.

 

[Kreton]

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He doesnt have to be racist to be guilty.

 

[Sheik Yerbuti]

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cowards are known to do such things. and he is clearly, a coward.

I disagree .... with all of the death threats against him, going into hiding is a wise decision.

 

[What if...?]

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Zimmerman has no legal obligation to stick around and if he leaves there is nothing negative against him in doing so. Due to death threats and police releasing his address and phone number, he would be rational to do so. He should just legally disappear until after the November election so he can not be used the Obama Justice Department in the swing state of Florida.

This also would reduce the amount of them he was in jail while prosecutors and his crappy appointed attorney "prepare the case" if a warrant is issued. A warrant issued after he vanishes doesn't mean he jumped bail and a person has no duty to turn himself in - meaning it not illegal. In short, he has to decide if he want to sit in jail or be out of jail but in legal hiding. I would pick legally hiding than being in jail when the Media, Justice Department and then in toe-step tens of millions of people are raging hatred and calling for revenge against me.

He should vanish for rather obvious reasons while he still can.

Dammit joko, earlier in this thread you said arresting him would get him a lawyer and he'd get off because of it.

That it would be better to give him enough rope to hang himself.

I THOUGHT you were changing your arguments as the thread progressed.

 

[ric27]

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Since there is no warrant as of yet for him I am aware of and the police already drove him out of his home, he should make a run for it because as of now its not illegal for him to do so.

Agreed

He should just go away as fast as possible while, he still can

As for the use of lethal force (I maintain it could have been avoided) I think Zimmerman has a fairly solid case for being "in fear of his life" based on the circumstances described. Some of the unprovided facts might be in favor of Zimmerman, some of them might *in the near future* be against him. But again given the circumstances as even though there is a possibility that Zimmerman may have overstepped, I believe any prosecuting attorney with just a little experience is going to realize the chances of a successful prosecution against Zimmerman for this unfortunate incident is slim

I think some confuse the moral with the legal. They aren't always the same.​

 

[Dustinnnnn]

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I'm not convinced it was racially motivated. Apart from the "coon/punk" statement.

Zimmerman wanted a COLLAR. He probably had wood right up to the point he got his ass kicked.

Wannabe COP, not necessarily racist. Could be he is, but the evidence is shaky.

So you honestly think that if the boy were white, events would have unfolded in this manner? If you say no, then it was racially motivated. If you say yes, please provide me with a logical argument.

 

[Dustinnnnn]

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He doesnt have to be racist to be guilty.

Right. Regardless if Zimmerman is racist, we still have a racial issue mounting in that the man has not been arrested. If he were black, he would have been locked up a long time ago.

 

[MoSurveyor]

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I thought the microphone wind noise analysis was a just a tad over the top myself. :rofl

Was that directed at me? eace