Family of Florida teen killed by neighborhood watch volunteer feel 'betrayed' by law

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buck said:

someone that never gets in fights and weighs only 140 throws a punch and not only breaks the guys nose but hits him hard enough that he is now"discombobulated". But only "discombobulated enough so that he gets knocked down and hits his head hard enough to gash it open on the ground (but not cause any other issues). Then he manages to get his wits about him very quickly, grab his gun, aim and pull the trigger - all while recovering from being "discombobulated and continuously being beaten by Martin. Not only that, but if Zim had been knocked down, Martin easily could have taken that moment to run. Instead, he apparently jumped on top of Zim and started beating him even more - in your scenario anyway.

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I started to reply with, but then I realized that I have better things to do than have this silly argument.


Zimmerman's nose was broken. Dream away on how it was possible or not possible or did or did not happen. Have fun too.

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Khayembii Communique said:

For all intents and purposes, the opposition of supporting structural and social changes to do away with racism on the basis of equality is "promoting one race as superior or promoting the advancement of one race over another".

Also, racial autonomous movements like the Black Power movement are different than movements like the White Power movement generally because while the former is fighting inequality on the basis of empowerment the latter is promoting inequality on the basis of existing discriminatory institutions, practices and beliefs. This is why the idea of "reverse racism" is generally racist itself in its implicit defense of existing racist structures, even if commonly done in the name of equality.

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Agree with almost all of this, but it doesn't take away from the fact that the New Black Panther Party is itself an inherently racist organization.

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Khayembii Communique said:

For all intents and purposes, the opposition of supporting structural and social changes to do away with racism on the basis of equality is "promoting one race as superior or promoting the advancement of one race over another".

Also, racial autonomous movements like the Black Power movement are different than movements like the White Power movement generally because while the former is fighting inequality on the basis of empowerment the latter is promoting inequality on the basis of existing discriminatory institutions, practices and beliefs. This is why the idea of "reverse racism" is generally racist itself in its implicit defense of existing racist structures, even if commonly done in the name of equality.

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Sorry but promoting a race is racist regardless of the reasons. Black or White power is racist. Brown Power too. Any Race Power is racist. I will not see that any other way. This bigots promoting black power are as disgusting as the KKK. They are no different.

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Sorry but promoting a race is racist regardless of the reasons. Black or White power is racist. Brown Power too. Any Race Power is racist. I will not see that any other way. This bigots promoting black power are as disgusting as the KKK. They are no different.

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This isn't really an argument against what I said. In fact, you didn't really address any of my points at all, you just repeated yourself.

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muciti said:

This entire case has spiraled too far out of control. It is no longer about guilt vs innocence. It is not about truth. This case is now about race and only race. About a two weeks ago I started following this story. I was calling for more information, more of an investigation. It was pretty clear that all the facts were not known. I thought Zimmerman was guilty of something (still do) based on the information made public. My only hope was that a grand jury be convened and that all the facts were made clear. At this point none of that matters any more. Trayvon's family, the NBPP are using the tragic death of this young man to fuel their own racial hatred. They are exhibiting everything they are condemning in Zimmerman. Even if the justice department and a grand jury come back and state the Zimmerman acted in self defense and that he violated no laws, and even if they very thoroughly explain why, they will not be happy. They will continue to view this as a racial cover up. They have no interest in justice. They only want to promote hate.

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Thank you for that message.
I think the media - for their own pursue of ratings and some with clear political agendas, stirred almost everyone into a hate-frenzie. Even I was condemning Zimmerman on the forum, though drawing a line at claiming him a criminal - just a "stupid asshole." But then I said to myself, "Wait a minute, what are the facts? What did the witnesses say? The police arriving say?" etc.
This has spun out of control and the President turning this into a race issue with the horrific claim that Martin LOOKS like he could have been his own son, opened the flood gates.

WHO is willing to, in that neighborhood particularly, now willing to testify on Zimmerman's behalf? Or against the nature of Martin? How can Zimmerman or his defense team explore a defense? Zimmerman AND HIS FAMILY already had received so many death threats they all have fled and gone into hiding. Next president essentially declares this is a racial divide issue - him promoting the divide - (because he needs African-Americans to flock to the polls, particularly in swing-Florida) and now the Black Panthers (or one faction of it) openly calling for Zimmerman to be killed and to pay for it to be done?

If the President does NOT follow up LOUDLY condemning the threads and instructing the Justice Department to IMMEDIATELY investigate the morder-for-hire offer, he is scrum in my view.

JUSTICE is no longer possible in this case. And sending Zimmerman to jail even awaiting trial is only the options of solitary (which is horrific) or at constant death threat in general population. No fair trial preparation is possible. No fair grand jury proceedings is possible. No fair trial possible. Nor any reasonable across the board jury pool possible. Even just picking only jurors who NEVER watch TV, NEVER read the news etc in light of Obama's statement is NOT a fair jury as it becomes a jury of stupid people.

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muciti said:

Just ignore him Thunder. he isnt worth repsonding to and is only trying to derail the thread.

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I am making a point and I am making it very well.

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muciti said:

Sorry but promoting a race is racist regardless of the reasons. Black or White power is racist. Brown Power too. Any Race Power is racist. I will not see that any other way. This bigots promoting black power are as disgusting as the KKK. They are no different.

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I totally agree. Since the left wants to make this tragedy about race, let's go all in and go for it.

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Gie said:

I started to reply with, but then I realized that I have better things to do than have this silly argument.


Zimmerman's nose was broken. Dream away on how it was possible or not possible or did or did not happen. Have fun too.

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Can I dream like you? Really? I have your permission? Here I thought only you and people like you that are so certain of what occured that dream up scenarios on how it happened.

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Neal N. Bloeme said:

The New Black Panther Party is nothing but the KKK with darker skin.

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Except of course they haven't lynched anyone. :shrug:

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Hatuey said:

Except of course they haven't lynched anyone. :shrug:

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They also haven't chopped anyone's head off today or robbed a bank. That doesn't change the fact they are nothing but racist gangsters.

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Neal N. Bloeme said:

They also haven't chopped anyone's head off today or robbed a bank. What do you need to convince you they are racist thugs?

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Who's head has the NBPP chopped off? I remind you that the Black Panthers and the NBPP are two separate groups.

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Hatuey said:

Except of course they haven't lynched anyone. :shrug:

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If the NBP got their hands on a time machine and could go into the past, they very well might.

Currently, neither the KKK or NBP are actively lynching people, afaik.

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This whole situation is spiraling out of control.

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Superfly said:

This whole situation is spiraling out of control.

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Agreed. It needs to stop.

Should Zimmerman die because of the NBP, Spike Lee deliberately releasing his home address, etc, then they must be held accountable.

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Hatuey said:

Except of course they haven't lynched anyone. :shrug:

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No way to really know that. They are certainly trying to.

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Yes, they should be held accountable, but they won't. Justice is not the object here. Power and keeping it is the object.

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buck said:

There was a legal response. Just because you don't agree with the legal response, does not mean that it did not exist.

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Yes, you’re right. I didn’t parse out the police response separately. I’m intending that the police would respond again as one would expect in a SYGL application.

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buck said:

Can I dream like you? Really? I have your permission? Here I thought only you and people like you that are so certain of what occured that dream up scenarios on how it happened.

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Only if you can dream BIG. Sure you have my permission, do whatever you want. I was pretty certain Zimmerman's nose was broken, but it looked like you were starting to argue it was not or that Martin did not do it to him or could only have done it to him under some set of circumstances you have thought up or were about to explain. Which is when I realized I had better things to do than bother with that. Don't worry, I'm sure someone else will come along and be willing to have that argument with you.

Toodles.

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Hatuey said:

Who's head has the NBPP chopped off? I remind you that the Black Panthers and the NBPP are two separate groups.

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They're committing at least conspiracy to commit a felony by offering this bounty. According to some outlets, NBBP is trying to get it to $1 million dollars. FBI needs to shut the NBBP down. Now.

New Black Panthers hope to collect $1 million to up bounty on Zimmerman - National Crime | Examiner.com

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OhIsee.Then said:

Yes, you’re right. I didn’t parse out the police response separately. I’m intending that the police would respond again as one would expect in a SYGL application.

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They referred it to the AG. I'm not sure what elese you would have hte police do. It's up to the AG at that point.

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Gie said:

Only if you can dream BIG. Sure you have my permission, do whatever you want. I was pretty certain Zimmerman's nose was broken, but it looked like you were starting to argue it was not or that Martin did not do it to him or could only have done it to him under some set of circumstances you have thought up or were about to explain. Which is when I realized I had better things to do than bother with that. Don't worry, I'm sure someone else will come along and be willing to have that argument with you.

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Nope. If you follow the conversation from the beginning - whic you apparently have problems doing - I was simply giving alternative causes to what someone else indicated had to be a near certainty.

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buck said:

Nope. If you follow the conversation from the beginning - whic you apparently have problems doing - I was simply giving alternative causes to what someone else indicated had to be a near certainty.

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Yeah well it is just that you seemed really certain. Looking back at the progress of the conversation between us, I'm pretty comfortable with my comments to you and don't really care that they have upset you. Chillax.

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muciti said:

How in hell are the leaders here not being arrested?

U.S. News - Witness: Zimmerman 'never ... tried to help' Trayvon Martin

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Trayvon Martin case: New Black Panthers offer $10,000 bounty for Trayvon Martin killer George Zimmerman - chicagotribune.com

To me this sounds like murder for hire. Last I checked this is a crime. You cannot pay or even offer to pay for the murder of another person.

I sincerely hate that people can walk around shouting "black power" in response to something they perceive as racism. Bunch of idiotic hypocrites. Black Power is racist too.

Groups like this are making things about race. Black community and black men and women that they are referencing are specifically racist. No attempt to conceal it and yet it gets no attention. And what is it exactly that the officer they were berating was supposed to have done in order to keep Trayvon alive?

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The Black Panthers fall under the protection of Political Correctness as well as Barack Obama's and Eric Holder's Justice Department.

If these problems are not resolved at the ballot box in November, they will someday be resolved in the streets of America with blood.

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Gie said:

don't really care that they have upset you. Chillax.

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Upset? Still making things up, I see. And no. I am not certain of anything. I've stated it repeatedly. Sorry that comprehension does not seem to do you well. You are probably a bit discombobulated from all the broken noses you've had.