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Family of Florida teen killed by neighborhood watch volunteer feel 'betrayed' by law

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Re: Black Panthers offer bounty on Zimmerman

According to your link, they have offfered a $10,000 reward for his capture. There is no law against that:



Also from your link:



Free speech and all that...

Unless this:



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Paying for kidnapping is a crime. So paying for his "capture" is a crime.

Also their posters are stating "dead or alive". To me this is murder for hire, not just kidnapping for hire. But either way is illegal.
 
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Well, I'd like to point out that there is a distinction between the Black Panthers and the New Black Panther Party, so let's be careful. Second, the New Black Panthers have had a history of violence, militance, and intimidation. They are even considered a terrorist group by some, so this should come as no surprise.
 
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Listen and you might learn something from this thread, ok?
By the look on his face (eyes, hands, etc aka body language) at the initial interrogation
Many times at the scene of a crime ones experience, training and what you learn from your and others past mistakes will teach you a lot if you have the desire to learn from them. Most perps or victims will telegraph their thoughts and intents with subtle movements only seen by those who know what to look for. It's an ancient language called body language aka cop speak.
No magic, voodoo, ESP or bull**** 6th sense about it. Situational awareness lets you see it
Bad guys/victims act a certain way. Who's bull****ting and whos not
And you think that Z had these skills?
Developed in his year or two as neighborhood watch guy?
 
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Well, I'd like to point out that there is a distinction between the Black Panthers and the New Black Panther Party, so let's be careful. Second, the New Black Panthers have had a history of violence, militance, and intimidation. They are even considered a terrorist group by some, so this should come as no surprise.

To differentiate, can I change the subject of the thread to "New Black Panthers offer bounty on Zimmerman" Not sure how to do that.
 
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Yes, I understand your conjecture. However, I find it highly unlikely that a 260 pound man is going to lose a fight to a 140 pound man (who allegedly has no history of fighting) in which the bigger man starts it.
I don't. A 140 lb man could swing on Martin, strike him in the face and break his nose in one punch. The nose break easily would have discombobulated Zimmerman and even a 140 pound man can knock another one down in that case. Bang wound to back of head. But I don't really care to have this argument, as it is pointless. Should be interesting seeing someone try to argue your point in a court of law.
 
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To differentiate, can I change the subject of the thread to "New Black Panthers offer bounty on Zimmerman" Not sure how to do that.

You'd have to ask the mods to help you change the thread title. I don't see it as a huge deal, just think people should be aware.
 
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Paying for kidnapping is a crime. So paying for his "capture" is a crime.

Also their posters are stating "dead or alive". To me this is murder for hire, not just kidnapping for hire. But either way is illegal.

Please post a reliable source that indicates the posters say dead or alive. Let's try not to make stuff up.

Kidnapping? Florida recognizes citizen arrest. Florida Citizen's Arrest Laws | eHow.com

How about if I offer a $10,000 bounty for Sharpton and Jackson? Is that legal?

Yes.

Looks like we need some new case law. :rofl
 
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I don't. A 140 lb man could swing on Martin, strike him in the face and break his nose in one punch. The nose break easily would have discombobulated Zimmerman and even a 140 pound man can knock another one down in that case. Bang wound to back of head. But I don't really care to have this argument, as it is pointless. Should be interesting seeing someone try to argue your point in a court of law.

Someone may have watched a bit too much TV.
 
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Please post a reliable source that indicates the posters say dead or alive. Let's try not to make stuff up.

Kidnapping? Florida recognizes citizen arrest. Florida Citizen's Arrest Laws | eHow.com



Yes.

Looks like we need some new case law. :rofl

Trayvon-Martin-Wanted-Dead-or-Alive.webp

Citizen arrests dont apply with Zimmerman. Citizens cannot arrest people who are not wanted by police, and they cannot arrest someone during an ongoing investigation. That is not an applicable arguement.
 
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Someone may have watched a bit too much TV.
Yeah that was really such a far fetched scenario. A 140lb teenager could never break the nose of a 240lb man. Maybe Martin had some secret accomplice that nobody saw, nobody heard and nobody has not brought up! That guy, he was probably the one that broke Zimmerman's nose.

Someone has been watching too much TV indeed.
 
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And you think that Z had these skills?
Developed in his year or two as neighborhood watch guy?

When Zim was questioned by the police. The initial contact/interrogation with Zim jives with everything, the cops were looking for

He's not lying. There was NO time to elaborate a bull**** story. Crucial part in his immediate release
 
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I've used the word "stalk" once, in my last post. But I am free to use the word because I actually understand what it means in English. Regardless if I use "stalk" or "followed" Zimmerman was doing both, but neither of those descriptors are what the crux of the matter here is.

Now let me share something with you.
Stalk | Define Stalk at Dictionary.com

Stalk:
verb (used with object)

5. to pursue (game, a person, etc.) stealthily.
6. to proceed through (an area) in search of prey or quarry: to stalk the woods for game.
7. to proceed or spread through in a steady or sinister manner: Disease stalked the land.


Which brings me back to what I said to you before and you tried to step around it with your "stalk" point, which is ignorant owing to English. I've watched you make this same irrelevant argument about the legality of "following" people and being a NW for days now. The problem with your assertion is one of so what? You think that *point* will really be a viable defense that Zimmerman's lawyers are going to bother using in court? That tangential road to nowhere is hardly the issue being discussed here and sure won't be when the gran jury convenes. The killing of Martin will be the issue, not redundant information about whether Zimmerman was free to follow/stalk Martin before he killed him.

You know damn well the context that stalking is mostly used for. You don't normally go around saying the police stalked the suspect do you?

As for answering your question, I didn't dodge it and answered it in post #1803 if you would bother reading instead of typing snarky responses.
 
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Citizen arrests dont apply with Zimmerman. Citizens cannot arrest people who are not wanted by police, and they cannot arrest someone during an ongoing investigation. That is not an applicable arguement.

Thanks for posting that. The man holding them should be immediately arrested. That's against the law.

I am incorrect about citizen's arrest:

Each state, with the exception of North Carolina, permits citizen arrests if the commission of a felony is witnessed by the arresting citizen, or when a citizen is asked to assist in the apprehension of a suspect by police. The application of state laws varies widely with respect to misdemeanors, breaches of the peace, and felonies not witnessed by the arresting party. For example, Arizona law allows a citizen's arrest if the arrestor has personally witnessed the offense occurring.

American citizens do not carry the authority or enjoy the legal protections held by police officers, and are held to the principle of strict liability before the courts of civil- and criminal law including, but not limited to, any infringement of another's rights.[36] Nonetheless many citizens' arrests are popular news stories.

Though North Carolina General Statutes have no provision for citizens' arrests, detention by private persons is permitted and applies to both private citizens and police officers outside their jurisdiction. Detention is permitted where probable cause exists that one has committed a felony, breach of peace, physical injury to another person, or theft or destruction of property. Detention is different from an arrest in that in a detention the detainee may not be transported without consent.

Maggie-Smarty-Pants wrong again. Mea Culpa.
 
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Thanks for posting that. The man holding them should be immediately arrested. That's against the law.

I am incorrect about citizen's arrest:



Maggie-Smarty-Pants wrong again. Mea Culpa.

(not trying to sound like an ass and not bragging) Kudos for actually posting this. Most people on here seem to just keep arguing no matter what.
 
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(not trying to sound like an ass and not bragging) Kudos for actually posting this. Most people on here seem to just keep arguing no matter what.

Maggie's usually pretty good about admitting when she is wrong.
 
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When Zim was questioned by the police. The initial contact/interrogation with Zim jives with everything, the cops were looking for
He's not lying. There was NO time to elaborate a bull**** story. Crucial part in his immediate release
I see I misunderstood you. Sorry about that.

Would the story need to be elaborate?
And how long would it take to come up with a story?
 
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Yeah that was really such a far fetched scenario. A 140lb teenager could never break the nose of a 240lb man. Maybe Martin had some secret accomplice that nobody saw, nobody heard and nobody has not brought up! That guy, he was probably the one that broke Zimmerman's nose.

Someone has been watching too much TV indeed.

someone that never gets in fights and weighs only 140 throws a punch and not only breaks the guys nose but hits him hard enough that he is now"discombobulated". But only "discombobulated enough so that he gets knocked down and hits his head hard enough to gash it open on the ground (but not cause any other issues). Then he manages to get his wits about him very quickly, grab his gun, aim and pull the trigger - all while recovering from being "discombobulated and continuously being beaten by Martin. Not only that, but if Zim had been knocked down, Martin easily could have taken that moment to run. Instead, he apparently jumped on top of Zim and started beating him even more - in your scenario anyway.
 
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With some of the evidence that has come forth I can tell you this. People are lying.

We have two very conflicting reports. The girlfriend who heard Zimmerman approach Martin and heard a fight begin and an eye witness who sees Martin assault Zimmerman from behind. Either one of the two could be lying to push what they want to happen. I don't think any good is going to come of this at this point. This case is no longer about truth.
 
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muciti said:
Promoting one race as superior or promoting the advancement of one race over another is racist.

For all intents and purposes, the opposition of supporting structural and social changes to do away with racism on the basis of equality is "promoting one race as superior or promoting the advancement of one race over another".

Also, racial autonomous movements like the Black Power movement are different than movements like the White Power movement generally because while the former is fighting inequality on the basis of empowerment the latter is promoting inequality on the basis of existing discriminatory institutions, practices and beliefs. This is why the idea of "reverse racism" is generally racist itself in its implicit defense of existing racist structures, even if commonly done in the name of equality.
 
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You know damn well the context that stalking is mostly used for. You don't normally go around saying the police stalked the suspect do you?

As for answering your question, I didn't dodge it and answered it in post #1803 if you would bother reading instead of typing snarky responses.
I just gave you the context it has been used in. You are the poster who does not grasp the meaning of the word stalk and is unaware of the use of the centuries old English term. Yeah I missed your reply 1803 because in 1804 we had you once again, trying to make the dunder headed argument that the word stalk is not proper when in fact it is. Now you are still trying to make the same dunder headed argument. Guess what, the only thing you are proving is you had not a clue as to the origin of the word stalk and the proper use of it when used to refer to someone like Zimmerman stalking Martin through a neighborhood. Yes I know you have about a weeks worth of time invested in this stupid "stalk" issue your vocabulary did not contain. Now that it does contain knowledge as to why your argument was dumb a week ago and just as dumb today, why not stop making the dunder headed argument? To continue to do so would just be stupid.
 
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It is murder-for-hire, clear and simple since Zimmerman is not a fugitive. If the Obama's Justice Department does not act this would be unthinkable.

this is a matter for local law enforcement. Do you know anything about law and the justice system?
 
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