Family of Florida teen killed by neighborhood watch volunteer feel 'betrayed' by law

[TheNextEra]

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Zimmerman was siting in his car. He had no reason to fear Martin.

When he approached to talk to him and if Martin acted aggressive he would.

Getting out of the car is not illegal.

 

[What if...?]

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He's received death threats and has had to move out of his home because of it. If that isn't saying he is guilty, then what would YOU call it?

Maybe they just didn't want a self-appointed Charles Bronson running around their neighborhood with a gun.

 

[Thunder]

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...I don't believe they have any real authority. However, they do have the LEGAL right to follow someone if they think they are suspicious. And even that is only to a point. If MArtin felt he was being stalked, he could have called the police....

or, under Florida law, he could Stand His Ground.

 

[TheNextEra]

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The police department should have done more.

Do you think it would have all been over at the scene if it was a doctor's son who was shot? In a white affluent neighborhood? I don't.

I agree with this, he should have been brought in for further questioning at the LEAST.

 

[Thunder]

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When he approached to talk to him and if Martin acted aggressive he would.

Getting out of the car is not illegal.

following him in his car and then on foot, in the middle of the night, was an act of intimidation.

Martin was justified in fearing for his safety.

 

[TheNextEra]

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or, under Florida law, he could Stand His Ground.

So does Zimmerman. Can you prove as fact Martin didn't act aggresive? These are things that have to be looked at as well.

 

[What if...?]

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Things that make one go, "Hmmmmmm....." :

Hmmmm is right.

And I read this morning that the officer in charge was criticized for failing to arrest a lieutenant's son who was videotaped beating a homeless man.

Curiouser and curiouser.

 

[Thunder]

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So does Zimmerman. Can you prove as fact Martin didn't act aggresive? These are things that have to be looked at as well.

and yet, the authors of the Stand Your Ground law, have ALL said that Zimmerman cannot use the law as a defense in this case.

 

[ric27]

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My memory may be wrong and I don't care to dig down links again, but now that I think about it, I don't remember reading in the police report of the two officers who spoke to Zimmerman even stating in that report they gave him a Miranda Warning - and I just heard on TV they interviewed him for 2 hours - so not exactly "spontaneous."

If so, it is likely that whether or not anything Zimmerman told the police is admissible or not might depend singularly on whether the Defense wants the jury to hear it.

Not so much the Miranda warning, but the simple fact is after a shooting you need to STFU and get to a hospital and your first call after 911 is to your lawyer. Period

You tell your story to the lawyer and the Grand Jury when the time comes, not on the spot....Never on the spot

Gives you time to tighten any loose ends

 

[OhIsee.Then]

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Yup, I read your post. It sure explains who started the 'fight', Martin obviously because he was beating Zimmerman.
Oh, stupid me, just because he was winning doesn't indicate who started the fight. joko, you're long post doesn't tell us who started the physical fight.
Again, the SYGL gave Zimmerman the opportunity to kill Martin. My position is that the SYGL gives anyone with the right skills, and there are many, to kill Zimmerman and walk away w/o being charged.

The State of the "Council of Conservative Citizens":


"Trayvon Martin was on top of Zimmerman punching him when he was shot.

Besides the fact that almost all media outlets have lied about what race George Zimmerman is (he is a Latino/Mestizo), they are also censoring major important details of the case. Some have even published wild opinions about the 911 calls as if the opinions were factual statements.

Would you be surprised to know that the statements of the eyewitness are being censored in almost every media story about the shooting?

1. When police officers arrived, George Zimmerman had a bloody nose and was bleeding from a wound on the back on his head.
2. The eyewitness who called 911 said Zimmerman who screamed for help.
3. The eyewitness also reports that Zimmerman was on the ground and Martin was on top of him beating on him.

This information was made public by a local Orlando television station on February 27th. We now have 22 days of rampant media reports that omit these facts. Once you see what information the police had, it is obvious why they did not arrest him. They were simply abiding by Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” law. Police are now required to have evidence that a shooter was not acting in self-defense.

How many times have you heard the phrase “Trayvon Martin was a cheerful person,” but you had never heard the words of the eye-witness to the shooting?

Each time you see a “mainstream” news outlet rant about the Zimmerman/Martin case, ask yourself why these three facts mentioned above are missing from the story. Ask yourself why the media is called Zimmerman a white man instead of a Latino. Ask yourself if you think the story is really news or is it agitation/propaganda designed to advance a political agenda.

This past weekend in Chicago alone, black and Latino gangbabgers shot 10 people and wounded 40. The youngest fatality is only six years old. This received no national coverage. Why does this one shooting warrant weeks of coverage?

Even if you think Zimmerman was completely unjustified in firing his gun; ask yourself why 99% of the now thousands of articles are solely from the point of view of the grieving family without trying give a balanced account of the events."

Trayvon Martin was on top of Zimmerman punching him when he was shot.

 

[soccerboy22]

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And Zimmerman had good reason to fear Martin depending on how Martin acted when confornted as well.

You make the assumption that Martin was the victim here and not acting aggresive. I'm saying we don't know for sure about either one of them.

While that is true, I think it is reasonable to assume that up until the actual fight, Zimmerman was the aggresive one. Not only ignoring what the police said, but also following Martin in his car and then getting out. Following the kid is one thing, but getting out is something different. Zimmerman had no reason to get out of that car, and if he was afraid he was stupid to get out, because the car was probably the safest place for him.

 

[Thunder]

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Hmmmm is right.

And I read this morning that the officer in charge was criticized for failing to arrest a lieutenant's son who was videotaped beating a homeless man.

Curiouser and curiouser.

so not only is Zimmerman a trigger-happy cook, but it appears the Sanford PD might be corrupt assholes as well?

hmmm....

 

[grip]

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Yes, it does. So why don't you apply that to Zimmerman as well?

You are making assumptions that Zimmerman is guilty. I'm saying we don't know for sure.

Zimmerman sure looks guilty but I agree that the Media with their rush to judgement before "due process" for ratings and Activists (glory hounds) willing to start trouble over any hint of Rights infringement, have began a "Lynch Mob" mentality in our public discourse. Sometimes it takes an outcry for justice to be served and this may be the case but it's awful soon.

 

[TheNextEra]

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following him in his car and then on foot, in the middle of the night, was an act of intimidation.

Martin was justified in fearing for his safety.

If that was an act of intimidation, all law enforcement is guilty of intimidation.

 

[TheNextEra]

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Zimmerman sure looks guilty but I agree that the Media with their rush to judgement before "due process" for ratings and Activists (glory hounds) willing to start trouble over any hint of Rights infringement, have began a "Lynch Mob" mentality in our public discourse. Sometimes it takes an outcry for justice to be served and this may be the case but it's awful soon.

You, see that last part is what I'm really upset with. The police should have done further investigation.

And Zimmerman might well be guilty, however, all I'm saying is that we don't know for sure right now.

 

[Thunder]

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While that is true, I think it is reasonable to assume that up until the actual fight, Zimmerman was the aggresive one. Not only ignoring what the police said, but also following Martin in his car and then getting out. Following the kid is one thing, but getting out is something different. Zimmerman had no reason to get out of that car, and if he was afraid he was stupid to get out, because the car was probably the safest place for him.

well, you see....Zimmermann was SOOO afraid of Martin...that he chose to leave the safety of his car and stalk him on foot. In the middle of the night. In the rain.

yeah, Zimmerman was full of fear alright. Fear that someone might see him shooting the kid.

 

[Thunder]

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If that was an act of intimidation, all law enforcement is guilty of intimidation.

pretty stupid thing to say.

LEOs are required to follow possible criminals. A person doesn't have the right to use force against a LEO.

wow, the defenders of Zimmerman are really getting desperate.

 

[OhIsee.Then]

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Not so much the Miranda warning, but the simple fact is after a shooting you need to STFU and get to a hospital and your first call after 911 is to your lawyer. Period

You tell your story to the lawyer and the Grand Jury when the time comes, not on the spot....Never on the spot

Gives you time to tighten any loose ends

Yes, your describing one of the skillls someone will need to kill Zimmerman using the SYGL.

 

[TheNextEra]

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Zimmerman had no reason to get out of that car, and if he was afraid he was stupid to get out, because the car was probably the safest place for him.

Again, Zimmerman might have felt he could handle the problem. However, if the kid wasn't really scared and attacked Zimmerman, Zimmerman would be in the right to shoot the kid.

So far many people are just assuming Martin is this nice happy go lucky kid with no aggresive act in his body. We don't know what actions the boy took either.

That's all I'm saying is we don't know all the facts and people are making Zimmerman guilty automatically. It is not illegla to get out of your car.

 

[grip]

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You, see that last part is what I'm really upset with. The police should have done further investigation.

And Zimmerman might well be guilty, however, all I'm saying is that we don't know for sure right now.

I agree and with the situation under intense scrutiny now there should be some serious consideration. But too much rabble rousing doesn't improve the justice system. The excessive attention on the Casey Anthony case most likely fouled the process and tainted the jury pool.

 

[TheNextEra]

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pretty stupid thing to say.

LEOs are required to follow possible criminals. A person doesn't have the right to use force against a LEO.

wow, the defenders of Zimmerman are really getting desperate.

I'm not defending Zimmerman, I don't know if he is guilty for sure or not.

YOU are the one saying following someone is intimidation. I've been followed before by someone, I didn't shoot them.

YOU are the one putting Zimmerman guilty based on not knowing the actions of the kid.

 

[soccerboy22]

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well, you see....Zimmermann was SOOO afraid of Martin...that he chose to leave the safety of his car and stalk him on foot. In the middle of the night. In the rain.

yeah, Zimmerman was full of fear alright. Fear that someone might see him shooting the kid.

I do not believe the guy actually had intent to shoot the kid, but I am just saying, from a realistic aspect. Hwo stupid to do you have to be to leave your car, when this kid probably noticed you following him to walk up to him on foot.

 

[Paratrooper]

I think it is crazy how everyone is jumping to conclusions about this, even in the news.

Most articles I have read paint him as a racist white man shooting a innocent black kid for no reason.


Yet:

"Cynthia Wibker, secretary for the homeowner’s association, told reporters that Zimmerman’s actions once led to the arrest of a thief. “He helped solve a lot of crimes,” she said"

"A 55-year-old marketing specialist—and former neighborhood watch captain—Frank Taaffe has also stuck up for Zimmerman, saying that he’s not a fanatic and “not a racist.” Zimmerman was “overzealous, maybe,” Taaffe told reporters, but “his main concern is the safety and welfare of the community.”


I'm not supporting this guy I just think it would be nice for this to be investigated without everyone trying to insert there bias.

 

[TheNextEra]

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I do not believe the guy actually had intent to shoot the kid, but I am just saying, from a realistic aspect. Hwo stupid to do you have to be to leave your car, when this kid probably noticed you following him to walk up to him on foot.

Noone is saying Zimmerman was very bright. However, being stupid isn't illegal and it doesn't mean you are guilty just because you are stupid.

 

[soccerboy22]

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Again, Zimmerman might have felt he could handle the problem. However, if the kid wasn't really scared and attacked Zimmerman, Zimmerman would be in the right to shoot the kid.

So far many people are just assuming Martin is this nice happy go lucky kid with no aggresive act in his body. We don't know what actions the boy took either.

That's all I'm saying is we don't know all the facts and people are making Zimmerman guilty automatically. It is not illegla to get out of your car.

No I agree with you about the facts and Zimmerman's automatic guilty, but there are plenty who are screaming he is in no way guilty as well. And I know we do not know much about Martin. But I was just saying that it was stupid beyond all stupid to get out of that car. The kid knows you are following him and you are going to get out and walk up to him?