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Family of Florida teen killed by neighborhood watch volunteer feel 'betrayed' by law

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Thunder said:
17 year-olds don't always make the smartest decisions
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Another supporting statement for the Defense.
 
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TheNextEra said:
Yes, but again, you don't know the kid's actions either. If the kid was not aggresive, he might be alive as well.

All I'm saying is we don't know.
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"We don't know" would be at the core of his defense. To convict, all 12 jurors must know beyond any reasonable doubt AND to the exclusion of any other possibility.
 
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Thunder said:
17 year-olds don't always make the smartest decisions
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Neither do adults. That doesn't make them guilty for it by default though.
 
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Thunder said:
yes, there is NO doubt, that Zimmerman killed young Trayvon Martin. And its very sad, considering none of this had to happen.
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No question of it.
 
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joko104 said:
"We don't know" would be at the core of his defense. To convict, all 12 jurors must know beyond any reasonable doubt AND to the exclusion of any other possibility.
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Point being, people are saying he is guilty without knowing everything and basing it only on the media.

all I'm saying is it is premature to saying guilty or not guilty at this point.
 
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Gie said:
Again, the police dispatcher (likely had Zimmerman's 50 plus call record in pulled up too) told Zimmerman not to handle the problem. The fact of the matter is that had Zimmerman not decided he was a one man vigilante, Martin would be alive and with his family now. Of course we have the actual recording of Martin speaking to his girlfriend as Zimmerman stalked him and he was afraid. End of the day, Zimmerman killed Martin. He will get to pay for that, at least in a civil suit, hopefully in a criminal one too.
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Huh????
PLEASE LINK TO THE "ACTUAL RECORDING OF MARTIN SPEAKING TO HIS GIRLFRIEND." I haven't heard it. I just have read what she said he said. "She said he said" is NOT an recording of what he said.
 
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TheNextEra said:
The dispatch was not an actual police officer therefore not illegal to ignore.

And if Martin thought he was being stalked, he could have called the police. He didn't.
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Please cite case law that supports your claim. Likewise, the dispatchers at my police department are "actual" policemen and women. This entire incident lasted a matter of minutes. So since Martin was already on the phone with his GF and did not call the police, Zimmerman was free to murder him!

I've got a feeling that both the police dispatch call and directive as well as the GF's call will be found quite relevant, despite what I am being told on the internet. Call it a hunch.
 
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joko104 said:
Huh????
PLEASE LINK TO THE "ACTUAL RECORDING OF MARTIN SPEAKING TO HIS GIRLFRIEND." I haven't heard it. I just have read what she said he said. "She said he said" is NOT an recording of what he said.
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I already supplied a post with ALL the recordings in it, it was from PBS News. That you have not heard the recording, which every news source I know of has been playing since it was released, and which has been referenced and linked to by other posters in the thread, means you need to get on the Google and do some searching. Should not take long to find it. I'm too short on time now to do your work for you. Or you could just go through the thread and follow the links.
 
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It sounds pretty clear to me. Yet we are being told constantly that there's no racial aspect to this shooting at all - mostly by people who claim nobody hates Obama because of the color of his skin.
 
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Gie said:
Please cite case law that supports your claim. Likewise, the dispatchers at my police department are "actual" policemen and women. This entire incident lasted a matter of minutes. So since Martin was already on the phone with her GF and did not call the police, Zimmerman was free to murder him!

I've got a feeling that both the police dispatch call and directive as well as the GF's call will be found quite relevant, despite what I am being told on the internet. Call it a hunch.
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Ok first of all the dispatch didn't order him to "remain in his car". When I tell my daughter to not do something I don't tell her "Honey, you don't need to do that". I tell her "Don't do that".

One is an order, the other isn't.
 
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TheNextEra said:
Point being, people are saying he is guilty without knowing everything and basing it only on the media.

all I'm saying is it is premature to saying guilty or not guilty at this point.
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I can certainly agree with that for many reasons. Nor can we just assert WE know what all the evidence is and is not. There is a lot that people are claiming that is just what they read about what someone read about what someone read... nor does all info have to be released. Since so much politics has been injected, sorting thru it all is even more a challenge - adding the nature of people in emotional responses to "move" facts in the direction that supports that emotion.

There are some differences of opinions you and I obviously have. You think Zimmerman and the police were racially motivated. I don't think that. Zimmerman was "over zealous" as some put it and I don't think the police really gave a damn one way OR the other. That city - in which most of government is African-American and the police chief white - for which Latinos are the small minority, I don't see any reason they would have a practice of siding with Latinos against African-Americans. I would be inclined to think it would go the other way around.

Also, because this was a poor and relatively high-crime neighborhood in general, police in general will not care as much. That is almost universal. If Zimmerman had shot the kid of one of the rich or political figures of the city - whether that kid was black or white - they'd had Zimmerman in jail in an instant. On the otherhand, if Zimmerman was one of the rich or political figures of the city - or a close relative - they'd probably have given him a medal. Yet none of that is Zimmerman's doing, is it?
 
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Gie said:
I already supplied a post with ALL the recordings in it, it was from PBS News. That you have not heard the recording, which every news source I know of has been playing since it was released, and which has been referenced and linked to by other posters in the thread, means you need to get on the Google and do some searching. Should not take long to find it. I'm too short on time now to do your work for you. Or you could just go through the thread and follow the links.
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The dispatch said "You don't need to do that". That isn't an ORDER. An order is "DON'T DO THAT".
 
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Wiggen said:
It sounds pretty clear to me. Yet we are being told constantly that there's no racial aspect to this shooting at all - mostly by people who claim nobody hates Obama because of the color of his skin.
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I see NO racial aspect to the shooting. None. Post ANY link to anyone of my opinion expressing "hate" of Obama "because of the color of his skin."

I do think economic and social status played a BIG role in the indifference of the police, but not because they like lower income Latinos.
 
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joko104 said:
There are some differences of opinions you and I obviously have. You think Zimmerman and the police were racially motivated.
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Huh? You'll have to show me where I said anything close to that.

I said I don't know everything and I can't say whether he is guilty or innocent.

The only thing I said about race was Zimmerman (according to the 911 tapes) called Martin a "!#@$# Coon" which is a racist thing to do.

However, just because he said that means that this is all racially motivated.
 
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TheNextEra said:
The dispatch said "You don't need to do that". That isn't an ORDER. An order is "DON'T DO THAT".
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You sure you replied to the correct post? The one I was answering you in, where I asked you to cite case law supporting your claim, was a different one.
 
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Gie said:
You sure you replied to the correct post? The one I was answering you in, where I asked you to cite case law supporting your claim, was a different one.
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You claimed the dispatch gave Zimmerman an order. They didn't.

As far as the claim, you'll have to show me where I am required by law to follow dispatch for a non-police officer.
 
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MaggieD said:
Did Zimmerman say, "****in' coons" ?

Listen for yourself. CNN Isolates Audio of George Zimmerman’s 911 Call And Slur Sounds Clearer | Video | TheBlaze.com
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It sounds like "coons" to me.

I've said "G>D f...ing coons!" quite a few times myself, but that's because racoons are always eating all the cat and dog food, which has the cats and dogs making noise early in the morning sometimes waking us all up. I don't think that applies in the Zimmerman instance.
 
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TheNextEra said:
You claimed the dispatch gave Zimmerman an order. They didn't.

As far as the claim, you'll have to show me where I am required by law to follow dispatch for a non-police officer.
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My bad, confused you with another poster. Out of time for today, but I've got a feeling that the what? "Suggestion" by the police dispatch will certainly have bearing upon Zimmerman's murder of Martin.
 
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Gie said:
My bad, confused you with another poster. Out of time for today, but I've got a feeling that the what? "Suggestion" by the police dispatch will certainly have bearing upon Zimmerman's murder of Martin.
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It will most definitely have a bearing on it. However, it wasn't illegal for Zimmerman not to follow the suggestion of the dispatch.
 
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Thunder said:
hmmmm.....now I think he said "****ing punks".

even with the enhancement, its really not clear enough to say for sure.
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LOL, almost like a reversal between us. I hear "coons" and you hear "punks." But really, what I hear is short O "oones." I don't hear a hard "K" sound.
 
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TheNextEra said:
It will most definitely have a bearing on it. However, it wasn't illegal for Zimmerman not to follow the suggestion of the dispatch.
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no, it wasn't illegal.

but it was stupid, unneccessary, & provocative.
 
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