Family of Florida teen killed by neighborhood watch volunteer feel 'betrayed' by law

[Excon]

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if Martin feared for his life, being questioned & confronted by a strange man in the middle of the night & rain, he had the right to use force against Zimmermann.

But it was Martin who confronted and questioned Zimmerman first.

 

[Thunder]

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But it was Martin who confronted and questioned Zimmerman first.

says who? the police who didn't even test Zimmerman for alcohol & drugs?

the police who supressed evidence?

 

[solletica]

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No, we don't have to ask this, since it is irrelevant, a red herring that does nothing in the scope of this discussion.

Except it's not a red herring, because if they had taken the side of the Black shooter instead of the shooting victim, it means they're hypocrites.

 

[solletica]

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if Martin feared for his life, being questioned & confronted by a strange man in the middle of the night & rain, he had the right to use force against Zimmermann.

Depends on whether Zimmerman threatened him physically in any way, and there's zero evidence of that.

 

[What if...?]

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Zimmerman did not disobey the instructions of any officer in this event.

Pretty sure 911operators in San Diego are technically cops, if you kill one im certain youll get the law enforcement enhancement,but regardless, nobody but a cop has the right to stop and question someone on the street. You are perfectly within your rights to tell another civilian who attempts to to piss off. And if they.put their hands on you or attempt to keep you from leaving you have every right to defend yourself.

 

[Thunder]

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Depends on whether Zimmerman threatened him physically in any way, and there's zero evidence of that.

standing in his way, is a physical threat.

 

[solletica]

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standing in his way, is a physical threat.

Really? Can't you just say "excuse me"?

 

[solletica]

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No one should have to ask his/her government for permission to defend himself.

 

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Really? Can't you just say "excuse me"?

Do you have video evidence he didn't?

 

[mac]

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Except it's not a red herring, because if they had taken the side of the Black shooter instead of the shooting victim, it means they're hypocrites.

You're just bound and determined to turn this into a race thing aren't you? News flash...neither of them were white.

 

[mac]

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Really? Can't you just say "excuse me"?

He did....and got shot for it.

 

[joko104]

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All of that, if true, is moot.

Zimmerman was told by police to stay put. He did not.

Zimmerman was never told by a police officer to stay put nor is that relevant.

 

[solletica]

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You're just bound and determined to turn this into a race thing aren't you? News flash...neither of them were white.

Correct. Then why are Blacks claiming that the kid's minority status led police to side against him in favor of the shooter, when they were both minorities?

 

[joko104]

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standing in his way, is a physical threat.

What evidence do you have of that? The girl who talked to him on the telephone never say Martin said Zimmerman stood in his way - rather that Martin said he was "walking fast" (though not that he was walking fast away from Zimmerman, she just then asserted that. That witness contradicts what you claim happened.

 

[solletica]

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Do you have video evidence he didn't?

It should be innocent until proven guilty, not guilty until video evidence proves otherwise.

 

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IF the kid had a history of violence or criminal behavior, OR Zimmerman didn't have a history as an over-zealous vigilante type this would probably be a non-issue.

But the kid (as far as we know) has no such history and Zimmerman IS an over-zealous vigilante type.

Just letting it go was not an appropriate response by law enforcement.

I'm not sure that LE did any immediate forensics, powder bhrns and toxicologies, etc.

They dropped the ball, imo.

But at least an investigation is now happening.

 

[joko104]

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Zimmerman wasn't a robber.

 

[joko104]

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MSNBC is refusing to mention the only eye witness saying it was Zimmerman, only Zimmerman, on the ground? Chris Matthews then stated this incident proves that only police officers should be allowed to have a gun in public.

 

[Porchev]

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If he waited a few minutes, the kid would've ran away even if he did attack Zimmerman. That's the whole point of having a neighborhood watch--cops can't be everywhere all the time.

Plus, as a strong advocate of individual freedoms, I don't like communities where police (who may be potentially corrupt or serve a corrupt/racist municipality) are the prime law enforcers. I prefer a system where individuals defend themselves and police are called into service only upon request of the public to collect and store evidence if asked.

IN case anyone has forgotten, much of the abuses against Blacks prior to the Civil Rights era was instigated by police.

If he waited a few minutes, the kid would have ran away and spent the rest of the evening watching basketball with his Dad. Instead this neighborhood idiot Zimmerman wrongly pre-judged what this kid was doing and over-reacted, and most likely tried to beat up the kid, and when things were not going his way, he shot him.

By the way, I totally agree with part about cops can't be there all the time and people should defend themselves and look out for their neighborhood, but wanna-be cop Zimmerman wrongly stalked this kid and ended up killing him. When all the kid was doing was walking on a street. Zimmerman was making that neighborhood dangerous, not that kid.

 

[joko104]

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IF the kid had a history of violence or criminal behavior, OR Zimmerman didn't have a history as an over-zealous vigilante type this would probably be a non-issue.

But the kid (as far as we know) has no such history and Zimmerman IS an over-zealous vigilante type.

Just letting it go was not an appropriate response by law enforcement.

I'm not sure that LE did any immediate forensics, powder bhrns and toxicologies, etc.

They dropped the ball, imo.

But at least an investigation is now happening.

I have yet to see any proof the police did not and weren't investigating.

They are NOT media outlets. 99% of the time the police will NOT release case files to the public for very obvious reasons. That doesn't mean there isn't one. The claim by MSNBC of a "coverup" is that while the police department did release the video tapes are required, they would not give MSNBC a copy of the case file. Upon that, it was declared the police were refusing to investigate and even engaging in a coverup.

 

[MaggieD]

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I am going to have to listen again because I do not recall that his vehicle was moving at all, only that he was in it observing the individual.

Why do you find it interesting that they asked about his race?
Is that not an identifying characteristic?

Because that is the only identifying characteristic they asked about...nothing about his clothing. I find that nothing more than profiling.

If the kid punched Zimmerman simply because he was afraid or didn't like being questioned, it would've been sufficient cause for Zimmerman to fire.

Solletica, in your efforts to defend your position, you have taken an absolutely ridiculous stance. A man minding his own freakin' business on the street is followed by a slow-moving car; the guy gets out and comes over; the man is afraid. Think about it. If the kid had had a gun, he could have shot the guy with this seemingly ridiculous Stand Your Ground law.

 

[Sheik Yerbuti]

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There's no evidence the kid or Zimmerman are guilty of anything. That's why it makes no sense to charge Zimmerman with murder. After the kid was followed, a confrontation ensued, but the nature of that confrontation is unclear, except that fighting was involved.

If the kid punched Zimmerman simply because he was afraid or didn't like being questioned, it would've been sufficient cause for Zimmerman to fire.

That's why Zimmerman is to blame for Martin's death and should be held accountable. As a neighborhood watchman, he was wrong to confront Martin and it was that confrontation which led to Martin's death.

 

[ric27]

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I am more than positive that the police questioned Zimmerman.
And he relayed what had happened.

As pointed out by another poster what ever was said was not enough for the police to arrest him, but was enough to be forwarded to the DA's office.

The number 1 weapon is avoidance...walk away every time it's possible to do so, and avoid places where you are more likely to get into difficulties. It's the smart thing to do, particularly for a non LEO.

That said...I would say a small can of OC spray in Zimmerman's shirt pocket would resolve most non-lethal scenarios

Instead...a life taken needlessly by not knowing when to back off

 

[joko104]

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Pretty sure 911operators in San Diego are technically cops, if you kill one im certain youll get the law enforcement enhancement,but regardless, nobody but a cop has the right to stop and question someone on the street. You are perfectly within your rights to tell another civilian who attempts to to piss off. And if they.put their hands on you or attempt to keep you from leaving you have every right to defend yourself.

Wrong city on the exactly opposite side of the country.

 

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Correct. Then why are Blacks claiming that the kid's minority status led police to side against him in favor of the shooter, when they were both minorities?

Were the cops latino?

Minorities hate other minorities too, sometimes.