Extremists should account for extremists, NOT ME, so knock it off!

[Checkerboard Strangler]

In reality, he accomplished next to nothing.

Are you kidding? He accomplished A LOT!!!
He has torn down almost every foundational institution that a free democratic constitutional republic is based upon and destroyed the people's trust in those institutions he could NOT destroy. In fact, Donald Trump is Steve Bannon's greatest living exponent based on his record so far.

 

[trouble13]

I didn't found Antifa, I don't wear black hoods, I don't vandalize, I don't do street theater with skinheads and I don't harass people in restaurants.
I despise fascism because my parents despised fascism after being forced to flee their homelands.
I did not found BLM, I don't shoot cops in an ambush, I don't speak of such things as aspirational and I am not a marxist.
But I first learned the concept of "black lives matter" as a kid in school in the 1960's.
So if you're expecting me to answer for any of these actions, you will be waiting a very long time.

I am sick and tired of the constant drumbeat of threads DEMANDING that Democrats account for, apologize for, condemn, answer for, the actions of extremists.
From here on out, every time you see another post or thread demanding that we answer, I'd like to see a counterpunch that demands that Trump supporters answer for the actions of extremists.
If I could make this a sticky, I would, it deserves to be easily accessible considering that at least ten to a dozen threads a day here attempt to smear everyone with some kind of manufactured guilt.

It's a cheap parlor trick by people who are incapable of coming up with an original thought on their own, or an original argument.
It is a paid for political trick designed for idiots, sheep and cult members to mumble repeatedly.

Im sure there on some very fine people on the left but unfortunately we are forbidden to point that out after the Charlottesville incident. The media made sure of it.

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[Deuce]

Oh c'mon... My son is a chief of police. I laugh it off when your team labels people like him Nazis, brown shirts...You're barking up the wrong tree. I don't remember anyone accusing your children of being murderers, stormtroopers.

Take you rage and make it useful. Go after your side who enjoys labeling others things that they are not.

Centuries of systemic oppression aren't erased by your son supposedly being a perfect angel.

 

[trixare4kids]

Centuries of systemic oppression aren't erased by your son supposedly being a perfect angel.

Good cop, bad cop? The stats show less than 1% of LE has been found to be dirty... It's nobody's fault but your own if you choose to believe in the fairytales put out by leftwing extremists.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

You're not good at reading minds either. I know that the Republicans can get in the mud. Remember though, if Trump is defeated, Covid deaths becomes addled brain's...and it then becomes Biden's country!

The Democrats set the bar and you, by all accounts, appear to be very proud of that effort.

dude, i’m not even talking about mud. Why *wouldn’t* the dems be working to get the Republican out of office on day one? That’s politics. **** are you complaining about?

 

[jnug]

Ok. ^

Now imagine for a moment how sick and tired of the constant drumbeat of threads DEMANDING that Trump and his supporters account for, apologize for, condemn, answer for, anything and everything WRONG IN THE WORLD.

Yeah, peace on earth to you too but it seems just a tad one-sided.

:thanks

Another straw-man. Threads criticizing Trump at this forum are rather specific about what is being criticized.

 

[bullseyelqcs]

Good cop, bad cop? The stats show less than 1% of LE has been found to be dirty... It's nobody's fault but your own if you choose to believe in the fairytales put out by leftwing extremists.

As determined by themselves. Cant leave out that important detail.

Its like letting the accountant who is ripping you off do your audit. You can rest assured that any issues will miraculously be someone elses fault.

Just because criminals exist doesnt mean we have to accept officers acting like them.

 

[PoS]

Ok. ^

Now imagine for a moment how sick and tired of the constant drumbeat of threads DEMANDING that Trump and his supporters account for, apologize for, condemn, answer for, anything and everything WRONG IN THE WORLD.

Yeah, peace on earth to you too but it seems just a tad one-sided.

:thanks

Give an example.

This is Trump's America.

How different than 4 years ago.

This thread writes itself...

 

[Deuce]

Good cop, bad cop? The stats show less than 1% of LE has been found to be dirty... It's nobody's fault but your own if you choose to believe in the fairytales put out by leftwing extremists.

Your critical thinking skills should be better than this. Let's find out:

Why would someone like me think those stats are skewed? Not some right wing propaganda nonsense like "hurf durf libruls just hate cops and love criminals." An actual concern about how our law enforcement system treats its own versus how it treats the public.

 

[trixare4kids]

Your critical thinking skills should be better than this. Let's find out:

Why would someone like me think those stats are skewed? Not some right wing propaganda nonsense like "hurf durf libruls just hate cops and love criminals." An actual concern about how our law enforcement system treats its own versus how it treats the public.

Go ahead and prove the stats I mentioned above are skewed.

Meanwhile, I'll continue to believe those that actually study these issues by using statistics.

Stats: Systemic Police Racism Is a Myth

Study Shows Black Cops Just as Likely to Kill Black Suspects as White Cops

Studies Show There Is No 'Epidemic' of Racist Police

 

[Integrityrespec]

I didn't found Antifa, I don't wear black hoods, I don't vandalize, I don't do street theater with skinheads and I don't harass people in restaurants.
I despise fascism because my parents despised fascism after being forced to flee their homelands.
I did not found BLM, I don't shoot cops in an ambush, I don't speak of such things as aspirational and I am not a marxist.
But I first learned the concept of "black lives matter" as a kid in school in the 1960's.
So if you're expecting me to answer for any of these actions, you will be waiting a very long time.

I am sick and tired of the constant drumbeat of threads DEMANDING that Democrats account for, apologize for, condemn, answer for, the actions of extremists.
From here on out, every time you see another post or thread demanding that we answer, I'd like to see a counterpunch that demands that Trump supporters answer for the actions of extremists.
If I could make this a sticky, I would, it deserves to be easily accessible considering that at least ten to a dozen threads a day here attempt to smear everyone with some kind of manufactured guilt.

It's a cheap parlor trick by people who are incapable of coming up with an original thought on their own, or an original argument.
It is a paid for political trick designed for idiots, sheep and cult members to mumble repeatedly.

So now maybe someone sees how conservative white americans feel every time someone on the left, the politicians and left media accuse Trump supporters, all whites, of being racist, systmatically racist, and of having white privilege. That nonsense makes the situation way worse than the few bigots in America. Remember racist America elected a black President, wonder how that happened if we are so racist.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Sorry but you're either not paying attention to the forum or you're in denial.
Everyone wants cops to be able to do their jobs, that is not the issue being discussed here.

The Marxist democrat party, a terrorist organization dedicated to the destruction of civil society in order to foment the fall of America, absolutely do NOT want police to be able to do their jobs.

{Let’s not forget that Joe Biden’s vice presidential pick, Kamala Harris, promoted the Minnesota Freedom Fund.

For those unfamiliar with the chirpily named Minnesota Freedom Fund, it’s a fund that, per Reuters, “opposes the practice of cash bail, or making people pay to avoid pre-trial imprisonment. The group uses donations to pay bail fees in Minneapolis.”

And during the riots — while the riots were actually happening — and again, per Reuters, “at least 13 Biden campaign staff members posted on Twitter on Friday and Saturday that they made donations to the Minnesota Freedom Fund.”

The riots in Minneapolis broke out on Wednesday, May 27.

This means that two and three days later, on Friday, May 29, and Saturday, May 30, long after Minneapolis was on fire and countless small businesses were razed and looted, paid staffers on Joe Biden’s presidential campaign were contributing money to put people arrested for rioting right back on the streets.}

democrats are a terrorist party, the team of Harris / Biden actively support the riots that are burning our cities across the nation.

ISIS has no "good members." If you belong to ISIS, you are by definition a scumbag, a terrorist.

The same holds true with the democrats. If you belong to an organization of evil, and democrats are OPENLY evil, then you are in fact evil yourself.

 

[Deuce]

Go ahead and prove the stats I mentioned above are skewed.

Meanwhile, I'll continue to believe those that actually study these issues by using statistics.

Stats: Systemic Police Racism Is a Myth

Study Shows Black Cops Just as Likely to Kill Black Suspects as White Cops

Studies Show There Is No 'Epidemic' of Racist Police

There's enough problems to devote entire novels to the issue. Well outside the scope of a forum post. But some basic issues:

-The police are more likely to be believed than a suspect. When the only witness was the victim of police brutality, juries take the word of the officer universally. That's part of why you're hearing so much more about police assaulting people these days: everyone has a cell phone in their pocket. Real evidence is easier to come by.

-Cops get investigated by... other cops. And prosecutors they've been working with for years. Friends.

-Qualified Immunity means that police escape punishment even when they are in the wrong.

-Disciplinary records get purged regularly, so even when a police officer is disciplined, your "stats" aren't going to demonstrate those issues.

-There's a massive culture of silence in our police forces. "Snitches get stitches" is often attributed to gang activity, but it's every bit as prevalent in police forces. Good cops get run out of the force for speaking up.

-Police unions protect even criminal police. There's a cop in Florida who has been fired six times and arrested three times. He's still a cop.

I'm talking about police accountability. It's hilarious that you think "black cops murder as many black people as white cops" somehow helps your side of this.

Then there's the issue of the stuff that doesn't really make it into the records. The innumerable instances of cops harassing black citizens for no reason, and then leaving when they find nothing to arrest someone on. That's not showing up in your stats. The twelve year old who gets a gun pointed at him because he "fits the description" of someone who stole a purse months ago. Someone that was 6'3" and in their thirties. Is that in your stats?

Comparing based on "black crime rates" is inherently skewed because black crime rates are skewed.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Good. Count me in.

No doubt democrats will immediately cease the demands to hold all white people responsible for slavery...


Yeah, sure...

There is NO hypocrisy like demopocrisy.

 

[Uncensored2008]

You dont have to be an apologist....the actions of a few deranged individuals are not your responsibility, neither do you have to defend yourself for their stupidity.

Broad brush condemnation has become the new game for both sides.

But Trump is still responsible for all Wuhan virus deaths...

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

So now maybe someone sees how conservative white americans feel every time someone on the left, the politicians and left media accuse Trump supporters, all whites, of being racist, systmatically racist, and of having white privilege. That nonsense makes the situation way worse than the few bigots in America. Remember racist America elected a black President, wonder how that happened if we are so racist.

Wow, that's a great BIGLY chunk of butt-hurt.
Now all you have to do is justify all those times that the Trump right has sounded the phony "Democrats are the real racists" trope, as punctured in this handy comic sendup.



You want to play tit for tat, I can do it all day long.

Does anyone believe Democrats are the real racists?

Remember, it wasn't racist America that elected Obama, it was everyone else.
This was the Tea Party reaction to Obama.







Integrity my butt...you're a birther and everyone knows it, thus once again proving the time tested adage that when words like integrity, truth, logic are in a person's nickname, expect to find NONE.

 

[Elmo]

There's enough problems to devote entire novels to the issue. Well outside the scope of a forum post. But some basic issues:

-The police are more likely to be believed than a suspect. When the only witness was the victim of police brutality, juries take the word of the officer universally. That's part of why you're hearing so much more about police assaulting people these days: everyone has a cell phone in their pocket. Real evidence is easier to come by.

-Cops get investigated by... other cops. And prosecutors they've been working with for years. Friends.

-Qualified Immunity means that police escape punishment even when they are in the wrong.

-Disciplinary records get purged regularly, so even when a police officer is disciplined, your "stats" aren't going to demonstrate those issues.

-There's a massive culture of silence in our police forces. "Snitches get stitches" is often attributed to gang activity, but it's every bit as prevalent in police forces. Good cops get run out of the force for speaking up.

-Police unions protect even criminal police. There's a cop in Florida who has been fired six times and arrested three times. He's still a cop.

I'm talking about police accountability. It's hilarious that you think "black cops murder as many black people as white cops" somehow helps your side of this.

Then there's the issue of the stuff that doesn't really make it into the records. The innumerable instances of cops harassing black citizens for no reason, and then leaving when they find nothing to arrest someone on. That's not showing up in your stats. The twelve year old who gets a gun pointed at him because he "fits the description" of someone who stole a purse months ago. Someone that was 6'3" and in their thirties. Is that in your stats?

Comparing based on "black crime rates" is inherently skewed because black crime rates are skewed.

Well said.
:applaud

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

I don't give a rat's ass if you "apologize for, condemn, answer for, the actions of extremists." or not...but you, and ALL Democrats, should be demanding that your city leaders put a stop to the extremists because they are NOT doing that now.

Has it possibly occurred to you that ONE of the reasons WHY the extremists are ignoring all calls to dial it back is precisely BECAUSE they couldn't care less if it's a Democrat? Of course not!!! You're so busy painting Democrats as a group hug with Antifa and the anarchists that even when evidence is presented, it frightens you.

And it frightens you BECAUSE there goes your theory that Dems ❤︎ Antifa and Dems ❤︎ anarchists, and Dems ❤︎ BLM.
There goes your narrative up in smoke!

If you can't convince folks that Dems ❤︎ these groups, then you can't convince them to vote for Trump!

La la la la la la I can't HEAR you!!!
We get it, we get why it's so IMPORTANT for you to keep spreading these lies, we catch you in it and you respond with "But Demonrats are the real racists!" and "Why aren't you condemning XXXX (insert name here) because you LOVE them, that's why and that is what America will get if you don't put Trump back in the White House because ONLY Trump can save the WORLD!!!"

Democratic mayors and governors have been asking these groups to knock it off and the response has been "**** YOU, Democrat traitors."
And that is because these groups don't give a damn what Democrats want, they never have and they never will.

So, we can ask, demand, whatever...and it's obvious that the only response that would ever satisfy you is if Democrats all gathered together and said We were so wrong, Donald Trump DOES have the answer, let's send in the little green men so he can save the country!!!

I refer you to our coordinator, Helen Waite.
If you want to know why we have not fallen to our knees to ask Trump for forgiveness, go to Helen Waite.

 

[dorsai]

I didn't found Antifa, I don't wear black hoods, I don't vandalize, I don't do street theater with skinheads and I don't harass people in restaurants.
I despise fascism because my parents despised fascism after being forced to flee their homelands.
I did not found BLM, I don't shoot cops in an ambush, I don't speak of such things as aspirational and I am not a marxist.
But I first learned the concept of "black lives matter" as a kid in school in the 1960's.
So if you're expecting me to answer for any of these actions, you will be waiting a very long time.

I am sick and tired of the constant drumbeat of threads DEMANDING that Democrats account for, apologize for, condemn, answer for, the actions of extremists.
From here on out, every time you see another post or thread demanding that we answer, I'd like to see a counterpunch that demands that Trump supporters answer for the actions of extremists.
If I could make this a sticky, I would, it deserves to be easily accessible considering that at least ten to a dozen threads a day here attempt to smear everyone with some kind of manufactured guilt.

It's a cheap parlor trick by people who are incapable of coming up with an original thought on their own, or an original argument.
It is a paid for political trick designed for idiots, sheep and cult members to mumble repeatedly.

For years, the left has been painting with the broadest brush they can find. That is the lesson the American left has taught us. Finally, the right is learning that hard lesson. David Duke had one supporter and the left tried to make Republicans own that. BLM and Antifa have a lot more supporters than Duke ever did and many are in elected office.

The Democrats need to take responsibility for their Bebe's kids.

 

[bongsaway]

We do not demand any such thing. What we demand is that the police be allowed to stop crime in progress.

That's it.

They can start with trump and his cronies.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

BLM and Antifa have a lot more supporters than Duke ever did and many are in elected office.

KKK 1920's, Washington DC



KKK 1964



KKK 2017, Charlottesville

Your narrative has failed in dramatic fashion and your self-unaware personality flaw prevents you from realizing it but it's clear to most folks, clear as day.

PS: You guys just put a Qanon fanatic in elected office, so maybe it might be time for you to sit down.

Of course, it's important to remember that you build your rhetoric out of a nonexistent metal first publicized in a book about a nonexistent society that built the world's largest straw man to justify a nonexistent set of grievances, penned by a hack writer who railed against government even while collecting the very benefits she despised, and this despite being so destitute that she even needed it.

 

[ludin]

I didn't found Antifa, I don't wear black hoods, I don't vandalize, I don't do street theater with skinheads and I don't harass people in restaurants.
I despise fascism because my parents despised fascism after being forced to flee their homelands.
I did not found BLM, I don't shoot cops in an ambush, I don't speak of such things as aspirational and I am not a marxist.
But I first learned the concept of "black lives matter" as a kid in school in the 1960's.
So if you're expecting me to answer for any of these actions, you will be waiting a very long time.

I am sick and tired of the constant drumbeat of threads DEMANDING that Democrats account for, apologize for, condemn, answer for, the actions of extremists.
From here on out, every time you see another post or thread demanding that we answer, I'd like to see a counterpunch that demands that Trump supporters answer for the actions of extremists.
If I could make this a sticky, I would, it deserves to be easily accessible considering that at least ten to a dozen threads a day here attempt to smear everyone with some kind of manufactured guilt.

It's a cheap parlor trick by people who are incapable of coming up with an original thought on their own, or an original argument.
It is a paid for political trick designed for idiots, sheep and cult members to mumble repeatedly.

Then stop acting like one and you won't be grouped with them.

it is pretty simple.
Stop attacking people that condemn what these people do and you won't be grouped with them.

Stop arguing with people about their abhorrent behavior and you won't be grouped with them.
until them well you sit with your friends.

If you don't want to be grouped with extremists then quit acting like one.
This is perfectly simple to understand.

 

[ludin]

Then send them to arrest the guy that killed 200k AMericans in a pandemic.

If we could arrest the chinese president and the director of WHO i agree but they are outside US jurisdiction.
Although you do make a great case for hauling them before the World Court to answer for their actions.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

no, you really don't. you have a fantastical blown up piece of drama that you hope can hurt his election chances., thats about it.

Donald Trump: 'What you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening'

 

[ludin]

Go ahead and prove the stats I mentioned above are skewed.

Meanwhile, I'll continue to believe those that actually study these issues by using statistics.

Stats: Systemic Police Racism Is a Myth

Study Shows Black Cops Just as Likely to Kill Black Suspects as White Cops

Studies Show There Is No 'Epidemic' of Racist Police

You have to remember leftist can't handle facts. Facts do not exist in leftist world only feelings.