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Ethnic Profiling

Should Ethnic Profiling Be Done?

  • Definitely yes.

    Votes: 14 40.0%
  • In some situations only.

    Votes: 11 31.4%
  • No.

    Votes: 10 28.6%
  • Don't know.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    35
Let me point something out for you; THEY ****ING BLOW THEMSELVES UP FOR CHRISTS SAKE! Do you honestly think any kind of "show of force" will deter them? This is why we need things like racial profiling, you cant stop them through force, you have to prevent them with careful intelligence gathering and tight security. (although I'm not in favor of something as drastic as strip searching all the arabs or muslims and barring muslim men from flights, I just think there should be more careful scrutiny of, pardon my term, them).

EDIT: I would also like to point out that comparing WWII germany and the south in the civil war to the WOT is not apt. And also pointing out that these wars did infact solve (net) more problems than they caused, you cannot deny that a non-violent solution would have been better, or that the outcome of two wars does not refute the damaging nature of war or the consequences of countless other wars.
 
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jamesrage said:
You do not think you sound like a little girl?

No... When you try to ask out a woman, do you open up the conversation with by telling her she lacks sufficient control of her emotions that she is both physically and mentally weaker than you are, and that we should be solving things like men instead of an inferior womanly approach to problems?

I actually hope so, as that would drastically reduce the likelyhood of you reproducing.

SO I guess those people were idiots for stopping hitler.
I guess the civil war was just absolutly wrong

No, I wouldn't say that.

If we had people like Patton around the terrorist would be too scared to attack us.

You don't think the terrorists are afraid to attack us now? Why else do you think they use the tactic of terrorism?

If we had a little bitch like Gandhi running things we would have been ran over by the enemy long before this country even existed.

Can you explain to me using your incredibly vast range of vocabulary how Mohandas K. Gandhi- the greatest man ever to walk the earth in flesh and blood, mind you- is a "little bitch"?
 
Gandhi>Bush said:
Can you explain to me using your incredibly vast range of vocabulary how Mohandas K. Gandhi- the greatest man ever to walk the earth in flesh and blood,

hardly
you are a fanatic, thanks for showing your true colors
what makes him better than Jesus
what makes him better than any number of historical figures
 
We need to start profiling those shiftless eskimoes, those bastards are up to something I can feel it, they've just been biding their time, watching and waiting to strike: "Oh don't mind me I'm just a harmless little eskimoe sitting in my igloo." AND THEN BAM! you've got a harpoon right through your back
 
We need to start profiling those shiftless eskimoes, those bastards are up to something I can feel it, they've just been biding their time, watching and waiting to strike: "Oh don't mind me I'm just a harmless little eskimoe sitting in my igloo tralala la la." AND THEN BAM!!! you've got a ****ing harpoon sticking right through your back
 
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Gandhi>Bush said:
So from then on did we assume that all black people had a hijacked car in their garage with a baby inside. Were all black people thought to be car jackers and kidnappers?


Answering a question with a question. Isn't that the typical stance for "I don't have a response, but I need to say something so that my lack of argument will hopefully be overlooked?"

The fact is, Ghandi, over the few months I have been upon this site, I've heard your disdain for the war, for George Bush (and I'll agree there are times I'm ashamed to admit he's president of this nation), and now for ethnic profiling. You tout Ghandi like he's a god, when in fact Ghandi was a powerful, and effective man DURING a time where negotiation and diplomacy COULD be used to solve MOST ills. September 11th, at least in my view, for this country, changed all of that. There was nothing diplomatic about 3500 people dying, and there should be nothing diplomatic about keeping this country secure. If green people are blowing up buildings, watch them green people. If purple people are suspected of having anthrax, infiltrate and find it. If Arabs and/or Muslims, are routinely threatening the cities of this country, then they'd better be prepared to be searched, that's how it has to be. We have to change with the times, otherwise, it will be armageddon, and this time 3 buildings, a cornfield, and 3500 people will be a drop in the bucket compared to what will happen if we don't.
 
DeeJayH said:
hardly
you are a fanatic, thanks for showing your true colors
what makes him better than Jesus
what makes him better than any number of historical figures

What makes him better than Jesus? Gandhi accomplished more in terms of the physical realm. If you are a christian, I completely understand how you would feel differently.

Other historical figures? Gandhi was the first to step up and proove to the world that you don't have to kill people to change things. A nation's independence was won without a war. I think that is the most beautiful thing to happen since the beginning of time. It's an opinion. That hardly makes me a fanatic.
 
debate_junkie said:
Answering a question with a question. Isn't that the typical stance for "I don't have a response, but I need to say something so that my lack of argument will hopefully be overlooked?"

I thought my argument was fairly obvious. When a black man steals a car with a baby inside it is not assumed that all black men are car thieves and kidnappers. When 9/11 happened all Muslims and Arabs were painted to be terrorists.

The fact is, Ghandi, over the few months I have been upon this site, I've heard your disdain for the war, for George Bush (and I'll agree there are times I'm ashamed to admit he's president of this nation), and now for ethnic profiling. You tout Ghandi like he's a god, when in fact Ghandi was a powerful, and effective man DURING a time where negotiation and diplomacy COULD be used to solve MOST ills. September 11th, at least in my view, for this country, changed all of that. There was nothing diplomatic about 3500 people dying, and there should be nothing diplomatic about keeping this country secure. If green people are blowing up buildings, watch them green people. If purple people are suspected of having anthrax, infiltrate and find it. If Arabs and/or Muslims, are routinely threatening the cities of this country, then they'd better be prepared to be searched, that's how it has to be. We have to change with the times, otherwise, it will be armageddon, and this time 3 buildings, a cornfield, and 3500 people will be a drop in the bucket compared to what will happen if we don't.

I think if something terrible happens again it will be because hatred was not destroyed it was encouraged.
 
No, I wouldn't say that.

I find that hard to beleave after all you did say this.

"I think it's more accurate to say that people who think war does solve problems are only encouraging the terrorists to attack us."

You made a asinine comment and you are trying to deny what you said them in the first place.It always cracks me up when people state that "war never solved a thing" and then you bring up past wars and that comment changes.
Can you explain to me using your incredibly vast range of vocabulary how Mohandas K. Gandhi- the greatest man ever to walk the earth in flesh and blood, mind you- is a "little bitch"?

The man is under the impression that not fighting solved a lot of things,which is horseshit.People like that man do not understand that there are people who do not respect you enough to give a **** what you think and there fore will not listen to what you have to say and therefore you can not reason with them.Alot of times as a last resort you have to beat some sense into some people.
 
jamesrage said:
I find that hard to beleave after all you did say this.

"I think it's more accurate to say that people who think war does solve problems are only encouraging the terrorists to attack us."

You made a asinine comment and you are trying to deny what you said them in the first place.It always cracks me up when people state that "war never solved a thing" and then you bring up past wars and that comment changes.

I never said war never solved anything. I believe our foriegn policy has a lot to do with why the terrorists hate us. That was the point I was trying to make.

The man is under the impression that not fighting solved a lot of things,which is horseshit.People like that man do not understand that there are people who do not respect you enough to give a **** what you think and there fore will not listen to what you have to say and therefore you can not reason with them.Alot of times as a last resort you have to beat some sense into some people.

The man acknowledged history for what it was. He knew violence had solved much problems. He also acknowledged that war and violence had cause many other problems.

In Gandhi's life, it seemed to me that he met many people that you would say to be "unreasonable". He took a few beatings, and whether you believe it or not, he reasoned with many of them. If you don't believe me, read his autobiography.
 
I never said war never solved anything. I believe our foriegn policy has a lot to do with why the terrorists hate us. That was the point I was trying to make.


So you are one of those self hating Americans who blame us and the jews for the terrorsit attcks that happened to us?Perhaps Carl rove was right about what he said about liberals.
 
Gandhi>Bush said:
I thought my argument was fairly obvious. When a black man steals a car with a baby inside it is not assumed that all black men are car thieves and kidnappers. When 9/11 happened all Muslims and Arabs were painted to be terrorists.



I think if something terrible happens again it will be because hatred was not destroyed it was encouraged.

The hatred was already there. I'm going to see if I can find a link to where you can purchase a very telling PBS documentary that dug really deep into Osama Bin Ladan and JUST where his hatred came from, and it came long before George Bush invaded Iraq. It came from, which this is how he was described, as an ever increasing reliance of the "infidels from the west" to protect Saudi Arabia, and other Muslim countries. OBL wanted nothing more than to prove that he and his band of thugs could make good work of expelling Sadaam Hussein from Kuwait, and the Saudi Government told him no, that the American forcers were handling it. Now notice the Gulf War was in 1990-1991... first WTC bombing... 1993. But you do the math. I'm tired of this notion that invasion of Iraq created this hate towards America. When in fact it was there at least 10 years prior. The USS Cole, Embassy bombings in Africa.... all prior to the War in Iraq. All done by Osama's band of thugs.. this same band he wanted to use to stop Sadaam.

I found it... the Documentary was called, "Meeting Osama Bin Laden". And while that does NOT directly address the answers for or against ethnic profiling, you may come to see that Osama is far reaching, and that he has great command of militants and extremists. Keeping a closer watch on one particular group, especially when you know crimes ARE being commited by that group is not a bad thing. One could argue the feds did it with Organized crime, and to a degree still do. However, groups like the Mafia, were at one time, easy to spot, just by their hangouts, their attire, the women, the clubs, etc. You name it, they could be identified, to a certain degree. Could you look at 2 men, a citizen of Afghanistan, and a US citizen of Afghani descent, and tell which was the terrorist? No you can't, and THAT'S why the extra caution. We're facing an enemy that looks very much like our own citizens. That's why the need to focus in more on that particular group. Because you cannot tell. I've heard numerous people in this thread say, when little old ladies start blowing themselves up in buildings, well start searching them too, and I think that's how it should be. Searching the bag of a Muslim in no way paints him as a terrorist any more than looking into my bag, however, having said that, 30 year old women with black hair were not flying planes into buildings, were they?

Fear catapults people into level's of distrust beyond what they're used to.. it is human nature. And yes, many Muslim's were painted as terrorists, because people were plagued with fear. I do not condone, nor will I ever condone the actions perpetrated against Muslims in this country, in the wake of 9/11, as I witnessed many of them within my own community. However, having said that, many of those same Muslims have also said that they understand why American's felt the way they did, because they too were looking within their own communities, and wondering the same things.

I'm going to say one more thing on the subject, then I'm closing for the night. A movie ran on the anniversary of 9/11, documenting what is believed to have happened regarding Flight 93, and it's crash in Pennsylvania. At no time, until the hijackers stormed the cockpit, did the other passengers and crew have any reason to believe it wouldn't be a normal flight to San Fran. And given the big crater that was left in Somerset after the plane went down, I'd sooner err on the side of caution, especially when you are almost 100% certain of the nationalities of known terrorists. As for the ones you don't know of, are you going to check baby strollers to find them?
 
Gandhi>Bush said:
What makes him better than Jesus? Gandhi accomplished more in terms of the physical realm. If you are a christian, I completely understand how you would feel differently.

Other historical figures? Gandhi was the first to step up and proove to the world that you don't have to kill people to change things. A nation's independence was won without a war. I think that is the most beautiful thing to happen since the beginning of time. It's an opinion. That hardly makes me a fanatic.

Jesus influenced the Entire Western Civilization. His effects are still being felt 2000 years after his death. Take the religious factor out of what he did, and what he did is still amazing, especially considering the times he lived in. His influence is still spreading throughout the world.
but I must admit a ******* contest between ghandi and jesus seems a bit absurd
and did not Jesus change the world WITHOUT violence.
so in fact, ghandi is a reflection of jesus
 
I just thought I'd mention a few things here.

1. To say you support ethnic profiling is not to say you hate the targets of said profiling. I, for one, do not hate all Arabs, Muslims, etc. In fact, I think I can say that I don't even hate the ones that are terrorists. I do however, think that since most of the terrorists are from the above mentioned ethnic groups, it only makes sense to make sure we check them out.

I said that I do not hate the terrorists. This is correct. I do, however, feel sorry for them. They have been misled by their beliefs into thinking that the life of another human being does not matter if he/she/it is of another religion.

The problem is that there are more being misled each day, and if we are to defeat terrorism, we must destroy it at it's base. If we do so, it, like a tree, will fall.
 
jamesrage said:
So you are one of those self hating Americans who blame us and the jews for the terrorsit attcks that happened to us?Perhaps Carl rove was right about what he said about liberals.

Why is it a negative thing to wonder why a people would be hate us so much as to fly planes into our buildings, killing themselves and others? Why is that so negative?
 
Gandhi>Bush said:
Why is it a negative thing to wonder why a people would be hate us so much as to fly planes into our buildings, killing themselves and others? Why is that so negative?


Do you think the greatest generation went around asking why the nazis and japs hated us? Do you think they tried to understand their grievances, no they just killed the bastards, why? Because the Germans and Japanese (just as Al-qaeda) are not after peace or mutual understanding and were and are after only one thing, our total and permanent annihilation.

Check out these two posts I made earlier:

Here's where we are going to have to agree to disagree, you can't say that the American people are stupid and uninformed and that we don't have a representative government, because they failed to vote your way. As for why the terrorists and al-qaeda are angry with us here's the answer as simplist as I can put it, our support of Israel and our bases in Saudi Arabia really have nothing to do with it these are merely just foundations on which Bin-Ladin can use to rally support for his cause. Osamma Bin Ladin has publicly stated that we will always be the enemy unless we convert to Islam and that he needs not distinguish b/w civilian and military targets for him we are all the enemy and here's why. What they are after is a pan-Islamic state. And listen to me when I tell you this because I have studied this subject in depth, Bin-Ladin and those like him have world views that are a cadre of extreme fundamentalists views designed to appeal to arabs and more specificly to Sunni's. One influence that has had a profound impact on Bin Ladin's world perspective was the Egyptian writer Sayyid Qubt who was a member of the Islamic Brotherhood and was executed in 1966 for attempting to overthrow the government of Egypt. Qubt's works consist of three main themes first of which is that the world is in a state of Jahiliyya or ignorance, such as, was the case prior to the revelations given to the prophet Mohammaed. Qubt believed that people could only choose between jahilyya or Islam, secondly, Qubt stated that in present times more people, even Muslims, are becoming attracted to jahilyya and the materialism that accompanies it. Third Qubt believed that there can be no peace or common ground between those who he percieved to be on the side of Satan and those on the side of god. So Billo if you realize that they don't want peace or mutual understanding then you will realize that in reality it is not our fault but rather that of the radicals on their side. That's why it kind of upsets me when people like you try to blame their anger on the actions of the U.S. when in reality their anger is all their own. So I suggest, before you call the American people ignorant that you take a look into the true history of Islamic fundamentalism.

Question: Why was this doctrine of hate created?

Answer: A ha, and that my friend is the question isn't it Billo? I might mess up your entire world perspective right now but I think it is necessary at this point seeing as you seek knowledge and not propoganda . . . it came from the 3rd reich . . .

http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/
 
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debate_junkie said:
The hatred was already there. I'm going to see if I can find a link to where you can purchase a very telling PBS documentary that dug really deep into Osama Bin Ladan and JUST where his hatred came from, and it came long before George Bush invaded Iraq. It came from, which this is how he was described, as an ever increasing reliance of the "infidels from the west" to protect Saudi Arabia, and other Muslim countries. OBL wanted nothing more than to prove that he and his band of thugs could make good work of expelling Sadaam Hussein from Kuwait, and the Saudi Government told him no, that the American forcers were handling it. Now notice the Gulf War was in 1990-1991... first WTC bombing... 1993. But you do the math. I'm tired of this notion that invasion of Iraq created this hate towards America. When in fact it was there at least 10 years prior. The USS Cole, Embassy bombings in Africa.... all prior to the War in Iraq. All done by Osama's band of thugs.. this same band he wanted to use to stop Sadaam.

I never said Usama bin Laden hated America because of Iraq. I do however hold that the more people that we alienate with this war the less safe we become.

I found it... the Documentary was called, "Meeting Osama Bin Laden". And while that does NOT directly address the answers for or against ethnic profiling, you may come to see that Osama is far reaching, and that he has great command of militants and extremists. Keeping a closer watch on one particular group, especially when you know crimes ARE being commited by that group is not a bad thing. One could argue the feds did it with Organized crime, and to a degree still do. However, groups like the Mafia, were at one time, easy to spot, just by their hangouts, their attire, the women, the clubs, etc. You name it, they could be identified, to a certain degree. Could you look at 2 men, a citizen of Afghanistan, and a US citizen of Afghani descent, and tell which was the terrorist? No you can't, and THAT'S why the extra caution. We're facing an enemy that looks very much like our own citizens. That's why the need to focus in more on that particular group. Because you cannot tell. I've heard numerous people in this thread say, when little old ladies start blowing themselves up in buildings, well start searching them too, and I think that's how it should be. Searching the bag of a Muslim in no way paints him as a terrorist any more than looking into my bag, however, having said that, 30 year old women with black hair were not flying planes into buildings, were they?

This, in my eyes, goes back to what I said above about alienation. When you search an Arab simply because he is in Arab, it says, "I don't trust you." That's not the message we need to be sending to people that are in the key demographic of potential terrorist recruits.

Fear catapults people into level's of distrust beyond what they're used to.. it is human nature. And yes, many Muslim's were painted as terrorists, because people were plagued with fear. I do not condone, nor will I ever condone the actions perpetrated against Muslims in this country, in the wake of 9/11, as I witnessed many of them within my own community. However, having said that, many of those same Muslims have also said that they understand why American's felt the way they did, because they too were looking within their own communities, and wondering the same things.

From those that I've talked to Muslims were just as offended as any other American minority group when they turned on the television and saw that destruction. They don't deserve to be treated like a potential enemy when they are just as American as you or I.
 
DeeJayH said:
Jesus influenced the Entire Western Civilization. His effects are still being felt 2000 years after his death. Take the religious factor out of what he did, and what he did is still amazing, especially considering the times he lived in. His influence is still spreading throughout the world.
but I must admit a ******* contest between ghandi and jesus seems a bit absurd
and did not Jesus change the world WITHOUT violence.
so in fact, ghandi is a reflection of jesus

If that's how you would want to look at it, I can certainly respect that. Jesus was a pascifist, and Gandhi(notice the 'h') was the first person to truly apply what Jesus taught. What's sad is that Gandhi wasn't a christian.
 
Gandhi>Bush said:
If that's how you would want to look at it, I can certainly respect that. Jesus was a pascifist, and Gandhi(notice the 'h') was the first person to truly apply what Jesus taught. What's sad is that Gandhi wasn't a christian.

what in the hell does it matter that Gandhi was not a christian:roll:
 
Gandhi>Bush said:
Why is it a negative thing to wonder why a people would be hate us so much as to fly planes into our buildings, killing themselves and others? Why is that so negative?

Because the people that fly planes into buildings, committing suicide, to be with 72 virgins, killing innocent civilians are insane.........
 
DeeJayH said:
what in the hell does it matter that Gandhi was not a christian:roll:

The first person to really apply what Jesus said was not a follower of Jesus. Maybe I'm the only one that sees something off there.
 
Navy Pride said:
Because the people that fly planes into buildings, committing suicide, to be with 72 virgins, killing innocent civilians are insane.........

However convenient for you it is to believe that, I don't believe that's entirely true. If we were dealing with only the mentally ill of the Islamic world, I don't think we'd have much to worry about.
 
Navy Pride said:
Because the people that fly planes into buildings, committing suicide, to be with 72 virgins, killing innocent civilians are insane.........

I beg to differ,I think they were very "sane". They were intelligent ,calm, people. One would have to be sane to carry out a devious plan like skyjacking a boeing 747, and crashing them into buildings while shouting "God is great". Do you think a stupid, restless person could carry these hideous crimes off?

Originally posted by Gandhi>Bush
If that's how you would want to look at it, I can certainly respect that. Jesus was a pascifist, and Gandhi(notice the 'h') was the first person to truly apply what Jesus taught. What's sad is that Gandhi wasn't a christian

Exactly. Gandhi and Jesus are the 2 best examples of non-violence in our history.
 
I beg to differ,I think they were very "sane". They were intelligent ,calm, people. One would have to be sane to carry out a devious plan like skyjacking a boeing 747, and crashing them into buildings while shouting "God is great". Do you think a stupid, restless person could carry these hideous crimes off?


There are actually insane people out there that are very intelligent..............Do you actually believe the 72 virgin thing?
 
Navy Pride said:
There are actually insane people out there that are very intelligent..............Do you actually believe the 72 virgin thing?

No. And neither do most mainstream Muslims. Find me the Quran verse that says you get 72 virgins. It's irrelevant anyway as it's no more insane to think that Jesus is coming back.
 
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