Elizabeth Warren: proving progressive ideals are for the weak minded.

[Renae]

What "pipe dream" is that. Please enlighten us.

Social Justice. Government can spread the wealth. That progressive policies actually help poor people.

 

[Kobie]

Social Justice. Government can spread the wealth. That progressive policies actually help poor people.

Those are platitudes. Be specific.

 

[ocean515]

I think you have it backwards. The only way that people have come to accept the perpetual shortchanging that our system inflicts upon them is that they accept that they aren't worth very much and that they don't have the power to change it.

Oh I think you have that very wrong. Data can't be erased just because a failed ideological agenda needs it to. Having played the "you can't make it without us" song for years and years, people have seen the results of the socialist crap, and are unwilling to accept the social caste system liberal/progressivism believes they have the power to sentence them to.

For example, they see how this latest circus on the border, invented by liberal/progressives in Washington DC, is nothing but an attempt to bring immigration reform into the mix in an election year. Not caring about the deaths of women and children via their plan, the poor get cast aside by the liberal/progressives who addicted them to life at the will of government, to pander to the next group to fall under their spell from government carrots and sticks.

So despite a fervent desire to sentence people to a life of failure, as the liberal/progressive/socialist agenda most certainly does, the people have reached their limit, and have turned the corner.

This country has survived many tests since it's founding, but at it's core are principles that have allowed it to become the land of opportunity for all. This current fad of Progressivism will fade away, as it has before, and the socialist drivel, will fail, as it always has.

 

[TurtleDude]

Is it just me, or is there a certain fixation on the lady's race happening here?

we are noting she is a lying POS

she is no more Native American than Chairman Mao was

 

[Paschendale]

Oh I think you have that very wrong. Data can't be erased just because a failed ideological agenda needs it to. Having played the "you can't make it without us" song for years and years, people have seen the results of the socialist crap, and are unwilling to accept the social caste system liberal/progressivism believes they have the power to sentence them to.

For example, they see how this latest circus on the border, invented by liberal/progressives in Washington DC, is nothing but an attempt to bring immigration reform into the mix in an election year. Not caring about the deaths of women and children via their plan, the poor get cast aside by the liberal/progressives who addicted them to life at the will of government, to pander to the next group to fall under their spell from government carrots and sticks.

So despite a fervent desire to sentence people to a life of failure, as the liberal/progressive/socialist agenda most certainly does, the people have reached their limit, and have turned the corner.

This country has survived many tests since it's founding, but at it's core are principles that have allowed it to become the land of opportunity for all. This current fad of Progressivism will fade away, as it has before, and the socialist drivel, will fail, as it always has.

This kind of nonsense belongs in the conspiracy theory section, not in any political discourse between adults. Why can't you argue against what your opponents are actually doing, instead of bizarre boogeymen?

What "pipe dream" is that. Please enlighten us.

The one that, as we keep discovering, only exists in conservatives' minds. It's the empty chair all over again. I don't think they can even see us or comprehend what we say. All they do is keep yelling at an empty chair and ascribing whatever malicious motives and made up ideas they want to it.

 

[Thrilla]

This kind of nonsense belongs in the conspiracy theory section, not in any political discourse between adults. Why can't you argue against what your opponents are actually doing, instead of bizarre boogeymen?



The one that, as we keep discovering, only exists in conservatives' minds. It's the empty chair all over again. I don't think they can even see us or comprehend what we say. All they do is keep yelling at an empty chair and ascribing whatever malicious motives and made up ideas they want to it.

Irony entertains me...

 

[Kobie]

The one that, as we keep discovering, only exists in conservatives' minds. It's the empty chair all over again. I don't think they can even see us or comprehend what we say. All they do is keep yelling at an empty chair and ascribing whatever malicious motives and made up ideas they want to it.

I do find (and I hate to speak in generalizations here, but hey, everybody generalizes) that a lot of conservatives here deal solely with the Strawman Liberal they have concocted in their heads. No matter how many times we tell them that NO, criticism of Obama doesn't make you a racist; NO, everything is not Bush's fault; NO, liberals are not out to take everyone's money and divide it equally ... the same arguments come spewing forth, like rotten toilet water out of a broken sewage line.

 

[Kobie]

For example, they see how this latest circus on the border, invented by liberal/progressives in Washington DC, is nothing but an attempt to bring immigration reform into the mix in an election year.

THE ****ING REPUBLICANS ARE THE ONES WHO WANT "IMMIGRATION REFORM"!!!!

Good lord, it's like I'm living in crazyland and I forgot my pills.

Yes, the liberals/progressives in Washington DC invited the refugees from Central America here, on fancy paper and everything. Sometimes, I wonder how you guys have managed not to suffocate yourselves.

 

[ocean515]

THE ****ING REPUBLICANS ARE THE ONES WHO WANT "IMMIGRATION REFORM"!!!!

Good lord, it's like I'm living in crazyland and I forgot my pills.

Yes, the liberals/progressives in Washington DC invited the refugees from Central America here, on fancy paper and everything. Sometimes, I wonder how you guys have managed not to suffocate yourselves.

LOL

Republicans want immigration reform? Loosen the neck tie, its restricting oxygen to the brain.

Don't confuse the USCOC for Republicans. The left is willing to see women and children die to bring Immigration Reform up for a vote.

To think otherwise is just plain stupid. I guess some what to prove they are.

 

[Kobie]

LOL

Republicans want immigration reform? Loosen the neck tie, its restricting oxygen to the brain.

Don't confuse the USCOC for Republicans. The left is willing to see women and children die to bring Immigration Reform up for a vote.

To think otherwise is just plain stupid. I guess some what to prove they are.

I should say the Republicans DID want "immigration reform," it was just that their idea of it was so wildly unpopular that they ran away from it like their hair was on fire.

"The left" doesn't want to see anybody die. Despite what your Fox News masters tell you.

 

[ocean515]

I should say the Republicans DID want "immigration reform," it was just that their idea of it was so wildly unpopular that they ran away from it like their hair was on fire.

"The left" doesn't want to see anybody die. Despite what your Fox News masters tell you.

Given the publics mood over Obama's plan to encourage illegal invasion by citizens from other countries, the Republicans don't need any new plan. All they need to do is point to the current law the President and his minions refuse to enforce.

As to the left not wanting people to die, the agenda is paramount. Has the President, or other members of the Federal Government Left done anything to stop the flow of people riding a train called "Death"? Of course not. Case closed.

 

[Raven1]

THE ****ING REPUBLICANS ARE THE ONES WHO WANT "IMMIGRATION REFORM"!!!!

Good lord, it's like I'm living in crazyland and I forgot my pills.

Yes, the liberals/progressives in Washington DC invited the refugees from Central America here, on fancy paper and everything. Sometimes, I wonder how you guys have managed not to suffocate yourselves.

Don't give them a bag! I said, DON'T do it!

President Obama offers to expand the court systems that backlog the judicial system for determining exportations, beef up the efforts of Border Patrol agents, offer aid to those who are here in the meantime with acceptable living standards, and provide assistance to those countries from which those who are fleeing here from. And what do Republicans respond with to exactly what they demanded of him? Impeach Obama! You kidding me?

Progressives are not weak-minded, and I, for one, will support Elizabeth Warren should she decide to run. Can't say that she will, since last I heard she said she won't, but isn't that what they all say (politics 101)?

 

[ocean515]

Don't give them a bag! I said, DON'T do it!

President Obama offers to expand the court systems that backlog the judicial system for determining exportations, beef up the efforts of Border Patrol agents, offer aid to those who are here in the meantime with acceptable living standards, and provide assistance to those countries from which those who are fleeing here from. And what do Republicans respond with to exactly what they demanded of him? Impeach Obama! You kidding me?

Progressives are not weak-minded, and I, for one, will support Elizabeth Warren should she decide to run. Can't say that she will, since last I heard she said she won't, but isn't that what they all say (politics 101)?

It's laughable Progressives think the President is just responding to a refugee crises he didn't see coming.

Last January, the Federal Government advertised for companies to submit proposals for escorting up to 65,000 unaccompanied illegal alien children from the border. Last January.

Last Thursday, the Border Patrol released a report showing more "family units" have crossed the border this year than unaccompanied children, yet the Progressive shills in Washington DC are marketing this plan of theirs as a refugee crisis involving needy children.

Progressives have been exposed, and a majority of the people aren't buying this crap.

 

[Raven1]

Given the publics mood over Obama's plan to encourage illegal invasion by citizens from other countries, the Republicans don't need any new plan. All they need to do is point to the current law the President and his minions refuse to enforce.

Yeah, you republicans stick with that plan. Not really a plan. Just obstruct, obscure, and criticize. Great plan.

As to the left not wanting people to die, the agenda is paramount. Has the President, or other members of the Federal Government Left done anything to stop the flow of people riding a train called "Death"? Of course not. Case closed.

Yep case closed, except what have the Republicans done? And didn't President Obama actually put forth a plan? Well, what have the Republicans actually DONE for you lately, except scream and shout, jump up and down, only to sit on their thumbs?

 

[bubbabgone]

I understand she ran like a thief in the night when someone asked her about what's going on in Israel. She can't throw Israel overboard until she gets in.


yeah ... she's got all the Leftist epinephrine talking points down but what'll happen when she's asked about Obama and (if she's honest) she says
"I don't agree with the President ... he wasn't far Left enough".

 

[bubbabgone]

Yeah, you republicans stick with that plan. Not really a plan.

Just obstruct, obscure, and criticize.

Great plan.



Yep case closed, except what have the Republicans done? And didn't President Obama actually put forth a plan? Well, what have the Republicans actually DONE for you lately, except scream and shout, jump up and down, only to sit on their thumbs?

Sounds like your guy.

 

[Raven1]

It's laughable Progressives think the President is just responding to a refugee crises he didn't see coming.

Last January, the Federal Government advertised for companies to submit proposals for escorting up to 65,000 unaccompanied illegal alien children from the border. Last January.

Last Thursday, the Border Patrol released a report showing more "family units" have crossed the border this year than unaccompanied children, yet the Progressive shills in Washington DC are marketing this plan of theirs as a refugee crisis involving needy children.

Progressives have been exposed, and a majority of the people aren't buying this crap.

I suppose, if only you discount that Republicans in Congress won't truly address immigration reform. President Obama doesn't write laws for Congress, despite what you may believe. This stems back over 2 years ago, so yes, people saw this coming. It didn't just pop up all of the sudden, contrary to your intake of mainstream media.

 

[ocean515]

Yeah, you republicans stick with that plan. Not really a plan. Just obstruct, obscure, and criticize. Great plan.



Yep case closed, except what have the Republicans done? And didn't President Obama actually put forth a plan? Well, what have the Republicans actually DONE for you lately, except scream and shout, jump up and down, only to sit on their thumbs?

Suggesting the President and his Progressive minions merely enforce laws already on the books seems like a brilliant strategy. The people are seeing what happens when an Imperial Progressive Presidency rules by fiat. And they are pissed. Please keep with that plan, their is more air in the Progressive Balloon to leak out before it's just a flattened mess on the floor.

As to the President's plan, pandering to another group who will soon be ignored, just for votes is getting to be too obvious. As some residents in Chicago recently voiced "He's the worst President ever!"

As to what Republicans have recently DONE for me. Rejecting Immigration Reform is a good place to start, and stopping the damaging Progressive Agenda as best they can is another

 

[bubbabgone]

I suppose, if only you discount that Republicans in Congress won't truly address immigration reform. President Obama doesn't write laws for Congress, despite what you may believe. This stems back over 2 years ago, so yes, people saw this coming. It didn't just pop up all of the sudden, contrary to your intake of mainstream media.

Here's an idea I've mentioned before.
Obama claims he wants to work with Republicans.
So waddya do to work together?
Why, you find common ground, of course.
Well ... on immigration, both Obama and Republicans say they need to secure the border.
There ... do that first and after that's shown to actually have occurred they can move on to comprehensive reform.
How about that?

 

[Raven1]

Sounds like your guy.

I'm rubber, you're glue? I know you are, but what am I? Is that the best your brain can come up with?

Wait, no wait... I got a good one. No, that sounds like your guys! Republicans, that is. Yeah, that'll show you!

 

[ocean515]

I suppose, if only you discount that Republicans in Congress won't truly address immigration reform. President Obama doesn't write laws for Congress, despite what you may believe. This stems back over 2 years ago, so yes, people saw this coming. It didn't just pop up all of the sudden, contrary to your intake of mainstream media.

There is nothing to address. There a laws on the books and they should be enforced. Trying to get votes by pandering to peasants who couldn't care less about this country should be rejected.

Not sure what you are referring to when you write "this stems back over two years ago". If you're referring to the invasion of illegal aliens the country is enduring, of course the Progressive forces saw it coming. I seems rather clear they planned it.

Wonder why they didn't mention anything about it, given they were advertising for contractors to support it long before it became news in May?

The people now know why. The fall out won't be pretty, depending on one's perspective.

 

[bubbabgone]

I'm rubber, you're glue? I know you are, but what am I? Is that the best your brain can come up with?

Wait, no wait... I got a good one. No, that sounds like your guys! Republicans, that is. Yeah, that'll show you!

Ah ... so the rule is the first guy to say it wins?

 

[JasperL]

Yeah, they pretty much are worth what the capitalist market says they are, and your ideas about what your efforts are worth are overblown and bogus.

What, in a capitalist market, are your efforts worth? They are worth what people are willing to pay for them. Any more than that is to be gained only by coercion and theft, and that's what "progressivism" is all about.

Just as a general observation, if the current trends continue, which is pitting U.S. workers against workers in third world hellholes making $1 an hour or less, losing real wages each year, while a tiny few at the top reap all the gains from U.S. economic growth, and capture an increasing share of income and wealth such that inequality is at record levels in the U.S. and getting worse by the month, then something is going to give, and there will be someone espousing populism elected, and you all should hope it's someone like Warren and not someone closer to Castro or Chavez.

And the thing about "capitalism" is that the rules determine to a large extent what wages are 'worth' and so pretending that there is some invisible hand out there determining this stuff is just ignorant of basic economics. There has been now a decades long effort to rewrite the rules to shift power from workers to employers, and it's worked beautifully. The two most obvious are efforts that weakened unions and 'free trade' which means a production worker here competes against someone making 25 cents an hour, if he can get paid at all.

The funny thing is conservatives recognize that open borders are also a fairly transparent attempt to undercut wages for U.S. workers in certain industries - farming, slaughterhouses, cleaning, yard maintenance, construction, etc. and those undocumented workers in those jobs willing to work for far less than U.S. workers move the wage scale for jobs 'above' them downward, keeping a lid on wages for blue collar labor across the board. So they support limits on the free movement of labor, while irrationally championing free movement of capital. But at least conservatives see the value in setting the rules - closing the border and fining employers who hire undocumented workers - in such a way that it benefits U.S. workers and harms (in their argument) U.S. small businesses, including small farmers. Warren is doing NOTHING more than that, except she has the intellectual honesty to favor it in other areas.

So the Tea Party contingent is taking an anti-free market position on the border and screaming to deport undocumented workers. Big business wants labor to be free to cross borders same way they are free to close a plant, destroy a town, and move it to Thailand, if that's where they can get lowest denominator production. And they support this because the 'market' value of labor is something less than a dollar or two an hour on the world market. I get a little tired of far right wingers not even recognizing the cognitive dissonance, or hypocrisy, if you will.

Sure, we can as a country determine our policy on the border and let in who we want to let in - that's our right as a country, and we should set our border policies to protect the interests of the U.S. and U.S. workers. Absolutely we have that right and in my view that obligation. Well, we have the same right to set the rules of everything else for the same purpose. For 200 years we had tariffs to support U.S. industry and U.S. workers. If you set the rules up like that, then the "capitalist market" will "say" that wages should be higher than they are now.

If we allow actual free movement of capital and labor, consistent with 'free market' theory, then all anyone is saying is we should watch our living standards converge with India and China Pakistan and Indonesia and Thailand, and working people better get used to subsistence wages, no security, retiring in poverty, with healthcare reserved for the tiny class of elites. If conservatives are for that, I'd think it would be better if they just put that result out there honestly.

IF that's not the result we want, then there isn't any question we're going to intervene in the market, we will have to. So at the end, you agree with Warren in principle - Big Government interventions ARE necessary - you just might disagree with her on the details.

 

[bubbabgone]

Have you noticed that Obama has to have his compassion written down for him to express or he sounds like he's talking in his sleep?
That's what happens when a Socialist is also a Sociopath.

 

[rabbitcaebannog]

Please, explain how forcing people to do certain things to meet the requirements of a regulation is not controlling them. I'll wait.

You mean like not allowing a business to dump toxic stuff into waterways? Sure, you can call that control but there is a reason for that control. It protects many others from getting poisoned. Nothing wrong with having such regulations.