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The bolded will be very difficult for them, due to the fact that their religion and politics (for the majority) are inseparable.
It seems democracy does better with Western military intervention and UN nation building.
Not for most young people, and not in more secular societies, such as Egypt.
You also could be right - but I have far greater faith in the abilities of young Egyptian men and women to find a different way. The old ways worked because few in the country could see what was happening in other, freer, societies. Now, with social media and all media in general, young people see everything and they are not receptive to being told what to do and how to do it.
We'll know in time.
The bolded will be very difficult for them, due to the fact that their religion and politics (for the majority) are inseparable.
If that were the case, they would not have elected the MB into power in the first place. They are afraid of something, and specifically what, I am not sure of. Religion is a very powerful force in the lives of many people. No matter how secular one may become, the early roots of religious teaching will still hold power over you. I'm not necessarily saying that is a bad thing, because religion does serve a useful purpose, but when your religion and your politics are so closely connected, it's a huge obstacle to overcome.
Mornin CJ. :2wave: Uhm erm,ya not saying they are like our Generation X now :shock: .....are ya? :2razz:
The majority of people in Egypt did not elect the MB - there were dozens of parties and individuals that ran for parliament and for the presidency - Morsi won but not with a majority and when he took office he disbanded the parliament and started cracking down on opposition. In no way did the majority of Egyptians vote for religious rule. That is why about a year after the first democratic elections, young people took to the streets, over 2,000,000 people signed petitions to have Morsi removed and the military stepped in. That, to me, is a clear condemnation of religious rule by the majority of young people in Egypt. I see it as a very hopeful sign.
Doesn't mean it works. So therein might be an answer.
Mornin CJ. :2wave: Uhm erm,ya not saying they are like our Generation X now :shock: .....are ya? :2razz:
Intervention and nation building (Afghan, Iraq, Libya and Somalia) is doing better than Egypt, which was rather left to its own devises.
One can hardly say Egypt was left to it's own devices now.....and Afghanistan is a Bust we lost. There wont be any Nation building going on. Iraq is a total Mess with violence levels higher than in 2004. Libya is a country with really no ruling government and is the Law of the Wild Wild West. Somalia isn't even worth talking about.
So all that NWO and being a Citizen of the World.....is simply BS.
We've had human rights for a while. We cannot equate our young generation with the Egyptians, because they're on the cusp of a revolution while we're sittin' pretty.
Those lofty Ideals and the dreams of Utopian Societies.....Shattered by the Reality all due to the Ego of Man.
Why do you refuse to admit world progress? Things change, MMC, there's no stopping that.
A People without a Country.....are a people who have no Rights. No say about anything. Ones sovereignty prevents that.
When we have colonies all over the galaxy.....maybe then All can believe in such a thing, as a New World Order or that Federation of Planets.
The MB and even more Pious Salafists when 70% of the Parliament seats. (Hello!)The majority of people in Egypt did not elect the MB - there were dozens of parties and individuals that ran for parliament and for the presidency - Morsi won but not with a majority and when he took office he disbanded the parliament and started cracking down on opposition. In no way did the majority of Egyptians vote for religious rule. That is why about a year after the first democratic elections, young people took to the streets, over 2,000,000 people signed petitions to have Morsi removed and the military stepped in. That, to me, is a clear condemnation of religious rule by the majority of young people in Egypt. I see it as a very hopeful sign.
Heya Ben.....really? Moderates again? Just what the hell is a Moderate?
I think we should all be celebrating all across the Globe. Damn near makes me want to Twist and Shout.Let the Rest of the MB and the Terrorists see it's a party and not a jack.
I've no idea how your position reached outer space, but it would be nice if it could return to reality.
A People without a Country.....are a people who have no Rights. No say about anything. Ones sovereignty prevents that.
That's what I keep telling all those aligned with the Neo Cons/Neo-Libs.....and their touting of that NWO. As well as all of those that Believe that the Entire Population of the Earth, will only accept one ideology such as Democracy.
The MB and even more Pious Salafists when 70% of the Parliament seats. (Hello!)
Morsi won 51.7% of the votes in a Runoff election of Two candidates.
The people spoke quite clearly in not just the Presidential election.
There were large demonstrations against the MB but no indication/Count that they lost that confidence.
It was a classic Coup d'état.
Erdogan and his (Islamist) party have now won 3 elections. We Can't say the recent demonstrations by young more modern Turks justifies a Military coup.
The MB was banned under Mubarak too, 30 years. That worked well didn't it.
I Hate Islamists and am not fond of the religio-political system called 'Islam', but the people spoke.
Sovereignty does not prevent refugees. There should be no sovereignty for genocidal dictators. Allowing atrocities due to lines on a map is irrational and counter-productive.
Do you agree that, barring a global fall of civilization, all countries will eventually be free?
All people want to be free. It's not just "an ideology"; its human rights and development. Spare me the "some people want to be slaves!".
Ah, they like it. Look, they're so happy!
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