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Does this look like .0000001% to you?
Poll reveals 40pc of Muslims want sharia law in UK - Telegraph
Sqooooooooooooooooooosh
And that's in the 'moderate' UK. Wanna try a guess at the Middle East number?
It's realy UNbelievable the crap you try and foist here and sadly actually believe.
And well after many rebuttals of this ".000001%" LIE.
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One per cent felt the attacks were "right".
Your statement indicated that there is 1, that is ONE SINGLE Muslim in the entire world who supports such and such. :roll:
The issue, however, isn't how many Muslims do or do not support anything, but what you would allow Muslims to say compared to Wilders.
There is a big problem if you take hyperboles like "0,00000001%" seriously. My point was that from my experience, they are a small minority.
There should be no difference, the law is the same for everyone.
No, the problem lies in your indulging in such dishonesty.
Yet there are such vast differences in what is allowed based upon who is saying it -- double standards you are supporting here. The Wilder's statement you quoted rises to nowhere even NEAR the level of invective routinely spouted by Imams in mosques throughout Britain, yet you would suppress Wilder's speech while going so far as to lie about the prevalence of speech magnitudes greater in terms of hate when expressed by Muslims.
Yes, the laws SHOULD be the same for all, but you've been drinking the coolaid if you think you are applying equal standards vis a vis speech critical of Islam and speech arising from within Islam.
Gardener, if you are going to go all europeon
No, the problem lies in your indulging in such dishonesty.
Yet there are such vast differences in what is allowed based upon who is saying it -- double standards you are supporting here. The Wilder's statement you quoted rises to nowhere even NEAR the level of invective routinely spouted by Imams in mosques throughout Britain, yet you would suppress Wilder's speech while going so far as to lie about the prevalence of speech magnitudes greater in terms of hate when expressed by Muslims.
My posts are like the coran, they shouldn't be taken literally.
I disagreed with you when you say that they are a majority - I never said that those who say such things (like supporting the holocaust etc...) should not be sued like Wilders. If that's not what you understood, then you misunderstood my posts.
Exactly when did I say anything about a majority? :roll:
Gardener, if you are going to go all europeon on us please pay attention to your grammar
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Paul
Mr Wilders should visit the former Dutch colony of Indonesia, it is the largest Muslim country in the world and...it is a democracy
Wow, so much noise over a film!!!
It's also far removed from the Arab Middle East. Like I've stated, the further Muslims get away from the heartland of Islam, the more succesful they appear to be.
He was banned because Lord Ahmed believed at the time that it would be used as an excuse - that is by the BNP and radical Islamists to stir people up.
"He was already awaiting trial in the Netherlands. We have a sensitive situation with our Muslim population at the moment, not least because some people like to see them all as radicals and terrorists when this is a very small section".
"The film is offensive and is rather like a cartoon kind of YouTube film. It is not real"".
so what I am wondering is more what you are making all the fuss for
Like in Afghanistan?
.I don't get your point
The heartland of Islam is Mecca and spans between the western border of Iran and the Suez Canal (in ways Egypt). Iran would be a part of this were they not Shia.
Afghanistan's current situation exists because the Tali-Ban was over thrown by outside forces. Even now they seek to deal with their past oppressors...for "peace." Afghanistan is also far removed form the heartland of Islam.
Iraq is in the heartland of Islam, but this is another country that owes its current status of democracy and freedom to outside forces.
Both nations owe nothing to Sunni Arabs, who control Islam's prescriptions, make up the heartland of Islam, and cater the religion towards their tribe. And both countries contribute very little towards making what is considered a "successful" Muslim outside of the Middle East. In fact, the most successful professional and international Muslims in the region are located in Egypt....and that's even on another continent.
Mr Wilders should visit the former Dutch colony of Indonesia, it is the largest Muslim country in the world and...it is a democracy
Also, with this post you bring up a great point not considered by most.
You stated "former Dutch colony." In terms of education and a shift from historical Islam, Egypt, Syria, Kuwait, Lebanon, Jordan, Turkey, Iran, Indonesia, India, Pakistan, Iraq and others have something in common. All have experimented with some sort of democracy at certian levels or invested heavily into university level education of sorts, moved towards nationalism, and taken on some Western attributes. This is because all were colonized by Europeans.
Two nations were never colonized. Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan. So much of the Middle East hates the House of Saud and Afghnaistan has been a wreck of oppression and brutality so long that it is hard to even think of it as anything but.
My point is that distance from a certain point has nothing to do with the presence or absence of democracy
I don't know what you call "successful" but if you mean "democratic", then the lack of democracy in Arab countries can easily be explained by factors like the lack of middle class (the ones that pushed for democracy in our countries) due to the presence of oil (fixed asset easily controlled by a small minority, no need for a real economy) or our support for the dictators who allowed us to get that oil at a cheap price.
Well, it does. And it certainly does in terms of success, which is what I stated. Had Indonesia been a neighbor of Saudi Arabia, it would be far less than it is right now. Perhaps like Iraq, it would take outside power to provide what Arabs will not.
....and the Sunni strangle hold on Islam. All other factors merely alleviate Arab Muslims from their own culture. Saudi Arabi was never colonized. Those who took charge became business partners of the West. This is no different than China or any other nation where their people make up the government and conduct business with others. Had this culture had anything else to offer aside from the Bin Ladens who want to be in charge of the oil....
The vast majority of Muslims who are successful are those who have placed religion where it belongs as they persued their formal education. Most of this has occurred outside of the Middle East. This is one bold reason the majority of the reformers are outside the Middle East. It stands to reason that the most successful nations and governments in the world have done the same in regards to religion and state. Individuals are no different when it comes to education and religion. The Middle East has and is failing at both.
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