Drunk driver who tested 9 times the legal limit, will spend 13 months in prison

[JasperL]

"Behavioral impairment." Not physical impairment. "One does not suffer behavioral impairment", It does not say "because one does not suffer physical impairment".

What's the difference between "behavioral" and "physical" impairment? You've inventing nonsense distinctions. And the cite says nothing at all about "fooling" oneself. It's referring to actual tolerance, that is alcohol having objectively less impact on someone's speech, movements, thoughts, leading to more drinking.

Fooling oneself, and those around, can lead to greater consumption. That's what your citation says.

No it doesn't. Where does it mention 'fooling oneself?'

Metabolic tolerance mitigates BAC but not the effect at specific BACs.

The metabolic tolerance is your body physically adjusting to high levels of alcohol by processing it quicker. That is tolerance.

Functional tolerance lead to driving at .77 but not to surviving at .77. Functional tolerance has no impact on the BAC point at which alcohol will kill an individual.

Anyway, show your work or don't bother responding. I really don't care about your ignorant opinions. I've lived it and know you're wrong, and the science agrees with me. The cite talks about learned/perceived perhaps, and physical - metabolic- tolerance, as does the second link. So far from you we've got NUH UHHHHH!!! That's not an argument - show me a cite.

 

[ecofarm]

What's the difference between "behavioral" and "physical" impairment?

Read the article Rex cited. It specifies.

Physical impairment is not changed by alcohol tolerance. Only behavior changes. The person "feels less drunk" but is not less drunk.

Do you believe some people are okay to drive at .08? No matter what tolerance they claim, they're not.

 

[bongsaway]

Tolerance and BAC aren’t the same. Take two people at similar sizes and they drink 20 beers one is fine to drive and the other is passed out. They both still have the same BAC and .40 is still considered a lethal dose. So yes an alcoholic might still be lucid by the time they get to .4 but if they keep drinking serious permanent damage will occur

As in death by acute and chronic alcohol poisoning? I came home to that one day in the distant past.

 

[d0gbreath]

There are many reports of people over 1% BAC not dying. It would kill most people probably, but obviously there are exceptions.

I'd like to see one of those reports. .58 is positively curtains.

 

[MaryP]

Have to agree. Even if by some chance he was even close to 9X the legal limit, he would be comatose, not out driving around.

The comatose part is probably when he hit the concrete wall. I knew someone who did it more than once.
I hope this guy gets help.

 

[ASHES]

I'd like to see one of those reports. .58 is positively curtains.

They've been posted several times already.

 

[d0gbreath]

They've been posted several times already.

OK, I looked.

You got me!

 

[NolanVoyd]

An Oregon man whose blood-alcohol level tested at 0.778 when he was brought to the hospital after crashing his SUV in February will spend 13 months in prison. The Smoking Gun reports that Nathan Danzuka, who was driving on a suspended license when his attempt to outrun police was thwarted by a concrete barrier, also had his driving privileges revoked permanently.

Drunk driver who tested 9 times the legal limit, which is believed to be a record, will spend more than a year in prison

Nine times the legal limit?
Does this guy even have a liver?

Not excusing what he did, or glorifying it............but damn!.......9 times the legal limit!...... .778! And he was conscious.

Damn.

Keith Richard's couldn't beat that.

My drunkest moment ever. As an undergrad college student. Got arrested with a friend for racing mo-peds on a public street......yes mo-peds......no we aren't talking high speeds......

So drunk we were both blithering idiots at that time.

And I only blew a .24.

 

[KevinKohler]

Can someone put this in terms I can understand, please?

What's the limit in let's say pints of mid-strength (say 4%) lager?
How many pints would this guy have had to drink to be that wasted as I'm interested to see how he compares to me in my 20's.
I was quite the drinker back then but luckily I'm also lazy and thus have never learned to drive as work has always been in town and thus walkable.

Now I'm old (45) and I really can't be bothered with hangovers so I've not been properly drunk in over 5 years.
The most I have now is 5 or 6 pints when out for a day playing pool.

5-6 pints equals eight 12oz beers in the US. That will get most pretty effed up, and hung over the next day. Also, most lagers (in the US) are 4.8-5%abv.

 

[KevinKohler]

Some people function well and some people do not at the same alcohol intake,

You have only provided words, and there is your reputation as a contrarian, so you are going to need to post something else beside “google medical science.”

Function is a mental state, not a physical one. Physically, there is no tolerance or resistance to alcohol. A guy at 24 years old, just starting out drinking, can physically survive the same quantity (assuming all other factors are equal) of alcohol that the same guy could survive from 10 years later after drinking heavily daily.

 

[KevinKohler]

What explains withdrawal symptoms if not the body becoming “tolerant” of a constant flood of alcohol then revolting when that’s stopped? Withdrawal is potentially deadly for alcoholics.

And you’re making non-existent distinctions between physical and functional tolerance. What differentiates those things? Cite your source because I’m pretty familiar with alcoholism and never heard of these distinctions. I know what tolerance is and it was my ability to function drinking 500-750ml of vodka plus a six pack every day for years. That would floor my wife.

Withdrawal =/= tolerance. All it means is that the body stopped producing a chemical that the alcohol introduced, and when the alcohol was removed, the chemical went missing. That's PHYSICAL addiction. However, most "alcoholics" suffer from mental addiction, the FEELING of needing to drink.

Physical tolerence to a chemical means, the body has built up resistance to something, which results in that thing having less of an affect. Functional simply means, alcoholics get JUST as drunk as everyone else, and more so, but they have LEARNED how to function while drunk.

 

[Rexedgar]

Function is a mental state, not a physical one. Physically, there is no tolerance or resistance to alcohol. A guy at 24 years old, just starting out drinking, can physically survive the same quantity (assuming all other factors are equal) of alcohol that the same guy could survive from 10 years later after drinking heavily daily.

Physically functioning is physically functioning; I have decades of field study in this field!

 

[KevinKohler]

How this COULD have happened, is he CHUGGED a bottled of something hard just before getting into the car. You don't IMMEDIATELY get drunks, the body can't process it instantly. So, if you pound a handle of everclear, and manage to not puke, you've got...maybe....5-10 minutes to drive, before it's lights out.

 

[KevinKohler]

Physically functioning is physically functioning; I have decades of field study in this field!

As do I. A person missing a leg can run a marathon, hell, maybe even keep up with the dude with 2 legs. He's LEARNED to function missing a leg. Same with alcoholics. Hell, there's an entire martial art around it called drunken boxing, where one learns how to cope with the inebriation to enjoy the benefits of increased pain tolerance, unpredictability, etc.

It is an irrefutable FACT that there is no physical tolerance to alcohol. That's human physiology, it's NOT an opinion. Don't believe us? Ask your Dr. next time to see him or her.

 

[KevinKohler]

Cherry-picking doesn’t become you.

First sentence:
A person with tolerance requires a higher BAC than a nontolerant person to experience some of the same effects. Basically, tolerance means that your body is suppressing its normal responses to toxins. So you’re less likely to vomit, pass out, etc.

Rookies vomit and pass out……

But the BAC stays the same. Meaning, there is no resistance to alcohol. A raging alcoholic still get's a high BAC, they just hide it better, they have mentally adapted to the condition.

 

[Peter]

5-6 pints equals eight 12oz beers in the US. That will get most pretty effed up, and hung over the next day. Also, most lagers (in the US) are 4.8-5%abv.

This amount is spread over maybe 5 or 6 hours and we usually have a meal so while it may seem a lot it really isn't.
I'm tipsy but not massively so but would obviously not be in any condition to drive.
I'm absolutely positive that drinking improves my pool game though as I tend to go for riskier shots.

 

[KevinKohler]

This amount is spread over maybe 5 or 6 hours and we usually have a meal so while it may seem a lot it really isn't.
I'm tipsy but not massively so but would obviously not be in any condition to drive.
I'm absolutely positive that drinking improves my pool game though as I tend to go for riskier shots.

To be honest, I'm 100% the same. In the US, we're very self conscious about our drinking. So if I drink 8 beers over the course of a night (say, from 6pm to midnight), the world around me tells me I should feel ashamed, because I'm abusing alcohol.

And yes, I suck at pool. By beer 3, I'm decent. At beer 4, I'm dangerous. but at beer 5 or 6, I suck again. I believe the reason is, a little booze relaxes you, mellows the nerves, and causes you to not overthink your shots, basically, not try so hard.

 

[Peter]

Fun fact time.
Alex Higgins the former world champion snooker was famous for playing while drinking vast quantities of alcohol.
The guy was a legend for his playing style which was fast and unorthodox.

Alex Higgins - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

A true great of the sport.

 

[Peter]

To be honest, I'm 100% the same. In the US, we're very self conscious about our drinking. So if I drink 8 beers over the course of a night (say, from 6pm to midnight), the world around me tells me I should feel ashamed, because I'm abusing alcohol.

And yes, I suck at pool. By beer 3, I'm decent. At beer 4, I'm dangerous. but at beer 5 or 6, I suck again. I believe the reason is, a little booze relaxes you, mellows the nerves, and causes you to not overthink your shots, basically, not try so hard.

Yep, the drinking cultures are very different between our two nations.
Here, having that amount is not even noticed.
I only go out for pool maybe once a month these days and don't drink at all otherwise so I'd say I'm a lightweight drinker now.
People here only really notice if you get completely wasted and we also have outside drinking with most pubs having tables in the garden and outside the front.
I have a feeling that may be illegal in many states but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[KevinKohler]

Yep, the drinking cultures are very different between our two nations.
Here, having that amount is not even noticed.
I only go out for pool maybe once a month these days and don't drink at all otherwise so I'd say I'm a lightweight drinker now.
People here only really notice if you get completely wasted and we also have outside drinking with most pubs having tables in the garden and outside the front.
I have a feeling that may be illegal in many states but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

We have outdoors dining and drinking. But only on bar premises. It's illegal to walk down the street in public with an open container. So, the proper alcoholics among us keep their booze inside a brown paper bag, and the fancy ones, in a flask.

 

[Peter]

We have outdoors dining and drinking. But only on bar premises. It's illegal to walk down the street in public with an open container. So, the proper alcoholics among us keep their booze inside a brown paper bag, and the fancy ones, in a flask.

If that ever became illegal here half the country would end up in prison.
I honestly don't understand why it's a problem. Is it a fear of litter?
I've seen videos of people being stopped for having a can of Redbull or coffee which just seems insane to me.

 

[calamity]

Physically functioning is physically functioning; I have decades of field study in this field!

I know a lot of high-functioning drunks. They may appear fine, but they are still drunk.

A few years back, I had a boss everyone knew to get with before about noon. That's when he would have a few drinks at lunch and then spike his coffee with whiskey after coming back. He'd drink the rest of the afternoon.

The guy wasn't noticeably drunk, but we knew from the smell. Most of these folks get away with it until their first DUI. If they're lucky, they didn't kill anyone.

 

[Rexedgar]

I know a lot of high-functioning drunks. They are still drunk.

A few years back, I had a boss everyone knew to get with before about noon. That's when he would have a few drinks at lunch and then spike his coffee with whiskey the rest of the afternoon after coming back.

He wasn't noticeably drunk, but we knew from the smell. Most of these guys get away with it until their first DUI.

I’m not arguing that they aren’t drunk, just that after a time there is a tolerance just as in pain medicine that allows those that are long time drinkers to function, whereas a low time drinker could go to lunch and drink and come back to work and not be worth fooling with.

 

[calamity]

I’m not arguing that they aren’t drunk, just that after a time there is a tolerance just as in pain medicine that allows those that are long time drinkers to function, whereas a low time drinker could go to lunch and drink and come back to work and not be worth fooling with.

I agree with that, as I am a living example. Back in the day, I could drink a whole bottle of Jameson by myself, not black out and wake up the next day feeling fine. Now that I almost never drink, I can't handle booze at all. I need a nap after one or two.

 

[Bodi]

Has to be an error with the test, .40 is considered a lethal amount. To even drink enough to get that drunk would be improbable

that is where I was gonna go with this... no way that is accurate.