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Do you consider yourself "woke" (tolerant, open-minded, progressive, pro-science) ?

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Exactly. If one side is yelling “woke”, while the other side is yelling fascist (or racist), then nothing else is going to be discussed or debated.
I don't use those words to describe the right .......right up there with socialist and woke as words people use without understanding what they really mean....... which is not to say that I don't believe that there are racists and fascists on the right.;)
 
you like to think of yourself as woke, but hate being called woke? LOL now that's effing hilarious!
Where did I say I think of myself as woke?
 
Spin isn't necessary. All Republicans have to do is to quote what woke progressives actually say and believe. These woke ideas like women can have penises and men can give birth do not need to be spun. Or the fact that the pool of "offensive" terms keeps growing by the day. When the Cleveland Indians changed their name to the Cleveland Guardians, some woke progressive idiot found "guardian" to be offensive.

The reason its a simple equation for you is because right-wingers and conservatives lack the capacity for nuance and critical thinking.
 
I have to wonder why someone would oppose being tolerant, open-minded, and pro-science.?

Those people are, of course, intolerant and closed-minded. I can't explain hatred of science because that is my favorite subject (especially zoology).
 
I don't use those words to describe the right .......right up there with socialist and woke as words people use without understanding what they really mean....... which is not to say that I don't believe that there are racists and fascists on the right.;)

The problem, as this thread clearly demonstrates, is that “woke” no longer has any “real meaning” (aka universally accepted definition).

Before 2014, the call to “stay woke” was, for many people, unheard of. The idea behind it was common within Black communities at that point — the notion that staying “woke” and alert to the deceptions of other people was a basic survival tactic. But in 2014, following the police killing of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri, “stay woke” suddenly became the cautionary watchword of Black Lives Matter activists on the streets, used in a chilling and specific context: keeping watch for police brutality and unjust police tactics.

In the six years since Brown’s death, “woke” has evolved into a single-word summation of leftist political ideology, centered on social justice politics and critical race theory. This framing of “woke” is bipartisan: It’s used as a shorthand for political progressiveness by the left, and as a denigration of leftist culture by the right.

On the left, to be “woke” means to identify as a staunch social justice advocate who’s abreast of contemporary political concerns — or to be perceived that way, whether or not you ever claimed to be “woke” yourself. At times, the defensiveness surrounding wokeness invites ironic blowback. Consider the 2020 Hulu comedy series Woke, which attempted to deconstruct the identity politics behind ideas like “wokeness,” only to garner criticism for having an outdated and too-centrist political viewpoint — that is, for not being woke enough.


 
Progressivism, the subject of this thread.

If you need a whataboutism thread to talk about modern conservatism, be my guest and made one. We may even largely agree.

But saying that removes nothing from the intention of today's progressivism. You may think otherwise, or feel justified, but in all honesty all you did was prove my point for me.
My point is that Cancel Culture is the central premise of the right. That they project on the left.
Not that the left hasn't canceled their share, on a grassroots level....not at a political level, i.e. Governor, legislators...
 
Construction is not a political process or function. ;)
Ah, to each their own. I recently spent countless hours untangling kite string and felt the process made me more politically woke.

I currently pay three of my in-laws 19K+/- per month to renovate real property for me. That also makes me feel more politically woke. The foreman, one of my brother-in-laws, likes to wear a Trump hat, it doesn’t matter where, on the job, out to dinner, home. He doesn’t want to hear any of my 1st World problems; he expects me to pick up the tab when we go out to dinner. Funny though, he often doesn’t bother to vote. I vote. I donate to candidates and I actively participate in local issues that interest me. I also admire my brother-in-law and make a point of getting along with him.
 
Woke is a relatively new word, which I didn't hear until 1-2 years ago.

But yeah, you are either "woke" ... or you are:

# stuck in the past
# pessimistic
# authoritarian / dictatorial
# anti-science
# xenophobic
# racist
# misogynistic (women-hating)
# pro environmental destruction
# conservative or Republican
# intolerant towards minorities such as gays
# pro-Putin, pro-Xi
# a bully

Funny.

I would define "woke" as consisting of almost all of those listed "non-woke" qualifications with the exception of:

Conservative or Republican, which are political viewpoints not defined by anything listed as "anti-woke" except in the minds of the "woke."

I could explain, but what would be the point? I find most "woke" (IMHO anyway) are actually in a hypnotic state of self-delusion, thinking they are "awake" when in fact they have been mesmerized by all the regressive views of socialist inspired "critical theory."

In the minds of the woke up is down, left is right, lies are truth, and feelings are more important than facts.

On the basis of the above, and NOT the definition provided by the OP, I vote No, I am not "woke."

This because I am quite wide-awake to the realities of life, society, and politics in general.
 
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Please back up your statement with a link to a definition of woke.

For me, your statement comes off as implicitly racist. You used the word as pejorative.

Racist???? Lol!
 
My point is that Cancel Culture is the central premise of the right. That they project on the left.
Not that the left hasn't canceled their share, on a grassroots level....not at a political level, i.e. Governor, legislators...

Now we disagree, I find it dubious that you consider only the right as willing to weaponize governance against opposition. Moreover I find it shockingly naive that the left is not capable of sponsored cancel culture mentality to the point of economic and/or social isolation.

Of course I'll say "Christian Taliban" in response to what I see from the far right but do not pretend for a moment that modern progressivism is immune from the same mentality of intentional marginalization of opposition or producing extreme examples of harm against others.

If you feel it necessary to put them both on a slide rule and split hairs over which is worse, you'll find yourself alone in that debate and swaying the opinion of very few.
 
Ah, to each their own. I recently spent countless hours untangling kite string and felt the process made me more politically woke.

I currently pay three of my in-laws 19K+/- per month to renovate real property for me. That also makes me feel more politically woke. The foreman, one of my brother-in-laws, likes to wear a Trump hat, it doesn’t matter where, on the job, out to dinner, home. He doesn’t want to hear any of my 1st World problems; he expects me to pick up the tab when we go out to dinner. Funny though, he often doesn’t bother to vote. I vote. I donate to candidates and I actively participate in local issues that interest me. I also admire my brother-in-law and make a point of getting along with him.

As a self-employed handyman, I do not engage in political discussions or express my political opinions on my customer’s job sites. Should the customer (or my helpers) make political comments, I have become quite adept at quickly changing the subject.
 
Nope.
Not that I have a problem with the adjectives listed, I just find the parent term to be more of a label of membership than any accurate summary of posessed traits.
It is as bit hard for any singular label to be all encompassing of the whole of the ingredients, is it not?

I am just fine with being labeled as "woke" not only for the attending adjectives differing folks might ascribe to that label but because I know all the other adjectives comprising me even if those labeler's might not.

If any shall attempt to use insult, label me "woke", as a pejorative I take no offense, no, I take it in the opposite because I know the truth, that is my being "woke" is a good thing. It is a moniker I am proud to list when I hang out my shingle, as it were.

No, my being WOKE by no means makes me unintelligent or insane or uninformed or irrational Etc..
 
I’m conservative, but it doesn’t necessarily mean I’m close minded.

That would be a reactionary…
 
If a “woke” person says that we need to destigmatize pedophilia, you must nod in agreement to also be “woke”.
No.

One must do no such thing to also be woke.
 
I have to wonder why someone would oppose being tolerant, open-minded, and pro-science.?
It's called a "straw man." Obviously, no one would oppose tolerance, open-mindedness or science (save perhaps those who claim them exclusively for themselves). Gotta love the latter though (science) for its inclusion by the OP - pretty much stuffed the shorts of of this particular straw man to the hilt.
 
I’m conservative, but it doesn’t necessarily mean I’m close minded.

That would be a reactionary…
I'm conservative as well, still, in places, but I am also woke, in other places, as well as other things here and there.

I guess the best way to describe me would be a multichotomy of thinking on it all.

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The term WOKE has just turned into a pejorative by people who need , but won't benefit from all the HR diversity training given by big corporations.
You mean people that understand science, biology, dont need the latest whack job piece of shit leftist to define what a woman is, and who dont mindlessly follow along with the idiot left rhetoric that says that men can be women if they really really really really really BELIEVE they are? The people NOT responsible for creating a multitude of mentally deficient lost souls that cant function or even get out of bed without some form of chemical assistance? Those people?
 
This is the lefts standard and what they believe everyone should be compelled to accept:







This is your legacy, leftists...You 'woke' up....and shit the bed.
 
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