Do you consider yourself "woke" (tolerant, open-minded, progressive, pro-science) ?

[American]

I am indeed tolerant, open-minded, progressive, and pro-science, but "woke" is what conservatives call me when they want to insult me without getting reprimanded by the site.

You're making up shit. What you say you are is irrelevant to what woke is, and conservatives are not calling it that. You're trying to make a back-handed argument that we're not open-minded, or pro-science. <<< complete nonsense.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Nah. We actually shake our heads when your propagandists find the next person who says something outrageous and tells you that’s what everybody on the left believes.

I don’t believe everybody on the right thinks the election was stolen. That’s why I call those who do Talk Radio Conservatives, to distinguish them fro regular conservatives AND identify the vector by which they came to those beliefs.

Hmm… it seems that you have decided to equate “woke” with “everybody on the left”. The post to which you replied specifically said “woke person” and you immediately decided (assumed?) that was meant to include “everybody on the left”.

 

[American]

Which, among the “woke” traits listed by the OP, are not political (i.e. calling for government action) in nature?

The idea that someone opposed to mask (which includes a nearly worthless single layer of cloth) mandates are “pro-science” is simply not so.

The idea that sex (for purposes of participation in women’s sports) is determined by a personal desire, rather than a biological state of being, may be open-minded, yet is not tolerant or pro-science.

Attempts to limit gun efficiency and/or magazine capacity are not open-minded or tolerant, but they are touted as being progressive views.

Progressives typically want more government regulation and/or control (usually at the federal government level) and less personal freedom. While all progress is the result of change, not all change results in progress.

What many Progressives tout as progressive (i.e., govt control) is how mankind was governed for virtually all of history. The US Constitution, and the founding institutions protected by conservatives, and NEW and is the actual progressive approach to governing. Personal responsibility, self-government lead to an open market of ideas IS progressive.

 

[Dans La Lune]

I have to wonder why someone would oppose being tolerant, open-minded, and pro-science.?

When you consider that poorly educated people are the bread and butter of right-wing ideology, it starts to make sense.

 

[Dans La Lune]

The right-wing is masterful at taking a positive and spinning it into a negative for their culture wars.

 

[What if...?]

The right has been trying to redefine "Woke" to fit their narrative, as they've been groomed to do.

Well played, sir. Well played.

 

[ttwtt78640]

No, look it up. It was originally an African American term used to describe the fight against oppression.

Woke - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Hmm… does that make it ‘cultural appropriation’ when “woke” is used by non-black folks?

The term “woke” appears to simply have become shorthand for ‘social justice warrior’.

The largest “woke” push seems to be a desire to substitute ‘equity’ for ‘equality’ and to assert that observed disparate impact proves (intentional?) ‘systemic’ racial, ethnic or gender discrimination is the cause.

 

[Gateman_Wen]

You're making up shit.

That's pretty funny, coming from you.

 

[jpevans]

Bullshit thread of the highest order...

Leaving the pro-science on the sidelines for a moment, the harsh truth is today's "woke" cancel culture progressivism is neither tolerant or open-minded. Rather today's progressivism is hate filled, willing to marginalize, and vilify for saying *anything* contrary to their authoritarianism, intentions, and wants from governance.

To suggest otherwise is a blatant lie.

Ron DeSantis is woke?

 

[ttwtt78640]

What many Progressives tout as progressive (i.e., govt control) is how mankind was governed for virtually all of history. The US Constitution, and the founding institutions protected by conservatives, and NEW and is the actual progressive approach to governing. Personal responsibility, self-government lead to an open market of ideas IS progressive.

True, and is definitely a political matter.

 

[Trippy Trekker]

Woke means you’re very intolerant and opposed to science.

Your post read like an old saying you just made up, or in other words, made as much sense as to jump means the same thing as to fall down.

 

[Callen]

Which, among the “woke” traits listed by the OP, are not political (i.e. calling for government action) in nature?

The idea that someone opposed to mask (which includes a nearly worthless single layer of cloth) mandates are “pro-science” is simply not so.

The idea that sex (for purposes of participation in women’s sports) is determined by a personal desire, rather than a biological state of being, may be open-minded, yet is not tolerant or pro-science.

Attempts to limit gun efficiency and/or magazine capacity are not open-minded or tolerant, but they are touted as being progressive views.

Progressives typically want more government regulation and/or control (usually at the federal government level) and less personal freedom. While all progress is the result of change, not all change results in progress.

.......as I said I am not progressive in the political sense. However, I am a liberal and I do believe that complex issues are just that....complex. Others' attitudes towards them cannot be summed up in one overused/misused word. It serves as nothing more than to shut down the conversation when one has no cogent argument.

 

[What if...?]

How can you be so sure woke people haven't been groomed?

The more and more I hear from these people the more and more they seem like church ladies.

You really want to know?

Because we don’t all agree with every single aspect like you do with what you are told.

There is nuance born of thought and rejection of some aspects.

Neither of which we see from the TRC cohort.

Y’all go all in on every narrative you’re fed.

 

[OrphanSlug]

Ron DeSantis is woke?

No, he is just an asshole.

Whataboutism dismissed.

 

[Trippy Trekker]

No. I do not consider myself to be progressive.

IMO, only a woke person can build a deck as nice as you.

 

[jpevans]

No, he is just an asshole.

Whataboutism dismissed.

Desantis is running his state on Cancel Culture & the "hate filled, willing to marginalize, and vilify for saying *anything* contrary to their authoritarianism, intentions, and wants from governance." I was only trying to verify who you were speaking of.

 

[American]

When you consider that poorly educated people are the bread and butter of right-wing ideology, it starts to make sense.

Since liberals run the education in this country, I guess you did a poor job, didn't you? Your statement is bullshit in light of the constant refrain from the Left that blacks are not attending good schools (thus poorly educated), AND are Democrat constituents.

 

[American]

You really want to know?

Because we don’t all agree with every single aspect like you do with what you are told.

There is nuance born of thought and rejection of some aspects.

Neither of which we see from the TRC cohort.

Y’all go all in on every narrative you’re fed.

Who is "we"?

 

[OrphanSlug]

Desantis is running his state on Cancel Culture & the "hate filled, willing to marginalize, and vilify for saying *anything* contrary to their authoritarianism, intentions, and wants from governance." I was only trying to verify who you were speaking of.

Progressivism, the subject of this thread.

If you need a whataboutism thread to talk about modern conservatism, be my guest and made one. We may even largely agree.

But saying that removes nothing from the intention of today's progressivism. You may think otherwise, or feel justified, but in all honesty all you did was prove my point for me.

 

[aociswundumho]

The right-wing is masterful at taking a positive and spinning it into a negative for their culture wars.

Spin isn't necessary. All Republicans have to do is to quote what woke progressives actually say and believe. These woke ideas like women can have penises and men can give birth do not need to be spun. Or the fact that the pool of "offensive" terms keeps growing by the day. When the Cleveland Indians changed their name to the Cleveland Guardians, some woke progressive idiot found "guardian" to be offensive.

 

[ttwtt78640]

.......as I said I am not progressive in the political sense. However, I am a liberal and I do believe that complex issues are just that....complex. Others' attitudes towards them cannot be summed up in one overused/misused word. It serves as nothing more than to shut down the conversation when one has no cogent argument.

Exactly. If one side is yelling “woke”, while the other side is yelling fascist (or racist), then nothing else is going to be discussed or debated.

 

[DarkWizard12]

I like to think of myself that way but the term "woke" makes me crazy. The right throw it around like the term"socialism". They don't have a clue what either word means.

you like to think of yourself as woke, but hate being called woke? LOL now that's effing hilarious!

 

[Dans La Lune]

Since liberals run the education in this country, I guess you did a poor job, didn't you? Your statement is bullshit in light of the constant refrain from the Left that blacks are not attending good schools (thus poorly educated), AND are Democrat constituents.

The problems with America's education system are complex, and in the past ~20 years its failure has been due to the influence of ultra-billionaires. However, a snapshot:

Here are the most, least educated states in America

Here's where folks have been cracking open the books.

www.newser.com

Most Educated:

1. Massachusetts
2. Maryland
3. Connecticut
4. Vermont
5. Colorado
6. Virginia
7. New Jersey
8. New Hampshire
9. Minnesota
10. Washington

Least Educated:

1. New Mexico
2. South Carolina
3. Nevada
4. Oklahoma
5. Kentucky
6. Alabama
7. Arkansas
8. Louisiana
9. Mississippi
10. West Virginia

 

[What if...?]

Hmm… it seems that you have decided to equate “woke” with “everybody on the left”. The post to which you replied specifically said “woke person” and you immediately decided (assumed?) that was meant to include “everybody on the left”.

That is the purpose of the narratives coming from conservative media.

There is zero propaganda value in claiming some in the opposition hold absurd beliefs. Everybody knows some folks are nuts.

The rights narrative managers are trying to create a characature they can focus their target demo’s derision and ire on. And apply that characature to everybody in the opposition.

It makes sense if you shift perspective a bit. The talk radio right is a monolith, by design. Creepy in their uniformity of worldview. And since everybody around them believes exactly the same things it’s easy to convince them that the left is the same. We are not. We have the opposite problem. We are like herding cats.

Which is actually what one would expect from free people in a world where all the world’s knowledge is in everybody’s pockets.

You, for instance, are not a Talk Radio Conservative. You are obviously “conservative”, but of the old school variety. Your opinions are nuanced. You don’t parrot conservative media. You have opinions you came to all on your own, obviously. We don’t always agree, but you don’t make me roll my eyes. Your posts sometimes alter my opinions.

 

[Trippy Trekker]

If a “woke” person says that we need to destigmatize pedophilia, you must nod in agreement to also be “woke”.

Please back up your statement with a link to a definition of woke.

For me, your statement comes off as implicitly racist. You used the word as pejorative.