Willoughby
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Seeker said:But i can't blame him. America has gone down the tubes morally.
Willoughby said:I have just been writing an essay with that as the title and i was wondeirng what your views were.
before you say anything i am not fishing for stuff to put in the essay..i have just about finished it anyway!
Captain America said:I never met a religion that wasn't money driven. It has to be for what we do. You know, we have a pretty big chunk of their pie. We are entrenched in their economy. I am sure that the people who put their money where OBL mouth is, do it for what we do and not for what we are. "They hate us for our freedom" is just a hollow B.S., FOXNews, Neo-drone, rightwing, chickenhawk, talking point. In fact, that's just downright stupid, if one actually takes the time to figure it out themselves.
Seeker said:Osama and his followers want to destroy America for "being a land of infidels." So basically, Osama's declaring a "Holy War" to eliminate us, because of our country's nature.
But i can't blame him. America has gone down the tubes morally.
Calm2Chaos said:Then explain the fact that the ME has been a hole well before we ever showed up.. Who's fault was it then?
Then explain the fact that the ME has been a hole well before we ever showed up.. Who's fault was it then?
Willoughby said:well in terms of politics...****ed up withdrawal from colonies....US stupid policy in support of Israel
Why we even bother is beyond me.
From a previous post of mine...ashurbanipal said:I'm curious to know what it is about the history of the middle east that makes you think it's been so horrible there for a long time?
Willoughby said:I have just been writing an essay with that as the title and i was wondeirng what your views were.
before you say anything i am not fishing for stuff to put in the essay..i have just about finished it anyway!
ashurbanipal said:I'm curious to know what it is about the history of the middle east that makes you think it's been so horrible there for a long time?
Calm is trying to point out, and rightfully so, that even though the US has made a mess of things over there, those folks hardly notice any difference as it has been a mess a loooooong time before we poured gasoline on the fire.
The region as a whole has been racked by turmoil, death, oppression and poverty wayyyyyyyyyyyyy before the US showed up.
ashurbanipal said:why they thought those things. I take both statements to mean that the history of the Middle East, going wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy back a looooooong time was a mess of turmoil, death, oppression, and poverty. So I'm asking for support of those statements.
Hmmmmmmm. I wouldn't make this statement.
However, I would bring up the near absence of inventions and discoveries that have come out of the Middle East, which has a lot to do with the absence of creativity (or the restrictions of it).
I would stay closer to the last 3 or 400 years when making the above statements. The technological and discovery boom has happened without their involvement and history has left them behind and their innumerable Radical element is determined to remain in the past. I've said it before, even after 100 years we are staring at a civilization that can't even build a car.
As lucrative as their natural resource is, we should be seeing the complete opposite.
Blaming the greed of their elite would be too simple. Without this greed, we are still facing a civilization that will only do what their religion will allow them. Their greatest enemy is themselves and their stagnation. We are largely imagined. How can any civilization that restricts half of their population a chance to contribute to their society compete with anyone? Our civilizations in the west is proof that "we" can believe in God and prosper while facing forward. They do, indeed, hate us for what we are without the acts of -looking the other way- that we have practiced.
ashurbanipal said:The Saudis did revolutionize drilling techniques in the 1980's, and also solved quite a number of technical challenges to mass seawater desalinization.
ashurbanipal said:Also, IIRC, wasn't there an Iranian mathematician recently who nearly won the nobel prize in mathematics for his work on encryption keys? I'm sure if I've heard of three or four such things, there are many other examples, though they may not match the U.S., Europe, or Japan in sheer volume.
ashurbanipal said:Well, is it that they can't (i.e. they're incapable), or they won't, or they just see no need?
ashurbanipal said:Too simplistic. Read Diamond's Guns, Germs, and Steel for a complete, and brilliant, analysis.
ashurbanipal said:3) The west was in control of the world long before western women were allowed the same basic rights as men. So this idea that because they restrict the rights of women, they're materially inferior rings hollow.
ashurbanipal said:4) I think that most people in the west are really viscerally atheists. Most people pay lip service to a religion, or to the idea of a God. Imagine what the response of the average born again Christian would be to being murdered. I imagine that very, very few of them would be happy about it--despite a stated belief that they're going to heaven after they die to exist in eternal bliss. So if they really believe that, they'd maybe not be eager to die, but at least not afraid. So I think it's safe to say that most in the West don't really believe in God.
ashurbanipal said:6) And, implicit in your paragraph is the idea that people who don't face forward should have their resources taken from them. I think that's not correct.
ashurbanipal said:Saying that we look the other way is only a partial description of our actions.
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justone said:G-man asks SySgt to point an example of a state where democracy is mixed with extreme religion and SySgt says there no such state – both look at it every day, trip at it every day in the same ME, - but don’t see it because it does not fit their IDEAS, it does not fit SySgt because it is the state looking backwards and passing down traditions and it made the most progress out of all states. So it cannot be even it is. When he is asked about Turkey SySgt says : it’s a little bit to the North. That’s it? I took a glance at Turkey – my man, I bet, it would be very useful for you to research!
I said - IsraelGySgt said:Unbelievable. Why must I continualy have to explain the world to people?
As Turkey
Damn:roll:
justone said:I said - Israel
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