DO I support racism?[W:433]

[JayDubya]

Re: DO I support racism?

Fortunately, the Supreme Court would seem to disagree.

Ah yes, the malodorous nincompoops selling the notion of a "living document" with a phrase about regulating commerce among the several states meaning you can make people buy insurance and no phrase whatsoever about killing your kid meaning you can totally kill your kid, guaranteed by law.

I was aware of them when I started typing, yes. What I said is still accurate.

 

[Gipper]

Re: DO I support racism?

It is a persecution complex. I agree with you. I've often said that blacks think we're much more racist than we are. This is a classic example. These were $300,000+ homes. The neighbors couldn't have cared any less. But my clients thought they did . . . because of friends/family ways of thinking that don't apply today.Smarty Pants.

I'm glad you stuck with it and your principles.Of course the liberals here would've forced you to do business with those racist asswipes.

 

[Bodi]

Re: DO I support racism?

for people who make bad choices (of a specific type)

For those that won't be forced to adhere to the law, you mean.

 

[TeleKat]

Re: DO I support racism?

Spoken like a true disciple of Ayn Rand! Perhaps, next to L. Ron Hubbard, the biggest lunatic to ever con the greedy and the gullible.

I'm not an Ayn Rand fan, in fact I actually despise her philosophy of objectivism. She had some nice things to say about economic freedom, but her theory that altruism is "evil" just doesn't sit well with me. Also she was an absolute loon when it came to intellectual property.

I do appreciate the unfounded stereotype of libertarianism, though I would expect nothing less from someone like you.

 

[Bodi]

Re: DO I support racism?

It is really relevant. It's just like how people do not need to insure their auto, unless they choose to operate it on public roads.

Not really... it is like how people are not forced to insure their auto. Once they choose to operate it on public roads they are no longer forced... but anybody that wants or needs to drive on public roads is forced. You know I am right.

 

[sangha]

Re: DO I support racism?

But they can say "I am closing my doors right now, sorry - store is closed" and that would be fine?

Would it be fine if the person wanting to come in the store is black?

Not enough info.

Again, they can refuse service based on cause. Cause is determined using the "reasonable man" standard.

 

[sangha]

Re: DO I support racism?

Just pointing out - as you would - that your analogy wasn't an accurate one.

It doesn't invalidate the analogy. The fact that one state does not require insurance is irrelevant. What's relevant is that some (most) states can and do require insurance.

 

[sangha]

Re: DO I support racism?

For those that won't be forced to adhere to the law, you mean.

pretty much

 

[sangha]

Re: DO I support racism?

Not really... it is like how people are not forced to insure their auto. Once they choose to operate it on public roads they are no longer forced... but anybody that wants or needs to drive on public roads is forced. You know I am right.

No one needs to drive on a public road.

 

[opendebate]

Re: DO I support racism?

What harm is caused by someone having to go a couple hundred yards down the road for a soda?

You don't actually think that is the extent of things do you?

 

[Gardener]

Re: DO I support racism?

I run a small business that deals with the public, but I am mature enough to realize the entire world does not revolve around me. If I were a child with a child's understanding of the world I might say "sure --lets allow anobody who deals with the public to discriminate along racial lines", but I an adult and so realize that there are certain responsibilities that come with my running a business, and one of them is to serve all people regardless of ethnicity. I understand it in terms of a necessary collective morality rather than elevating some sociopathic individual need above the needs of all.

 

[Gipper]

Re: DO I support racism?

You don't actually think that is the extent of things do you?

Of course. What else is there?

 

[opendebate]

Re: DO I support racism?

Of course. What else is there?

You're ****ing with .....aren't you?

 

[Gipper]

Re: DO I support racism?

You're ****ing with .....aren't you?

No. I have no idea what in the hell you're talking about. Enlighten me.

 

[JayDubya]

Re: DO I support racism?

You're ****ing with .....aren't you?

His statement is accurate.

In fact, take it to an extreme now such there is no other place in town whatsoever to buy soda. A not selling B a soda still does not harm B in any way.

 

[Removable Mind]

Re: DO I support racism?

Well, for all of the bigots who can't bring themselves to call themselves racists...they might actually be able to do that and get away with it.

So...gander at the following and see just how racist or bigot you are...are aren't.

All racists are bigots. But not all bigots are racists. I noticed a couple said that racist needs to be defined. Well, let me post "racist" and "bigot".

WEBSTER: Full Definition of RACISM

1
: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2
: racial prejudice or discrimination
— rac·ist noun or adjective
See racism defined for English-language learners »
See racism defined for kids »
Examples of RACISM

the racism that was the basis of apartheid
<Hitler's declaration of his belief in a “master race” was an indication of the inherent racism of the Nazi movement.>
The recording career of the Henderson band was brief … due partly to the racism of booking agencies that didn't take on black acts until the mid-'30s, when Henderson's career was on the downswing. —Greg Tate, Vibe, April 1995

WEBSTER: Full Definition of BIGOT

big·ot noun \ˈbi-gət\
: a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. : a bigoted person; especially : a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group (such as a racial or religious group)

: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance
— big·ot·ed adjective
— big·ot·ed·ly adverb
See bigot defined for English-language learners »
See bigot defined for kids »
Examples of BIGOT

He was labeled a bigot after making some offensive comments.
<an incorrigible bigot who hasn't entertained a new thought in years>
“It's scandalous,” he said, in the tones once used by Colonel Blimp, Britain's best-loved bigot, who adorned the pages of the Evening Standard throughout the 1930s. —Nicholas Fraser, Harper's, September 1996
[+]more
Origin of BIGOT

French, hypocrite, bigot
First Known Use: 1660
Related to BIGOT

Synonyms
dogmatist, dogmatizer, partisan (also partizan), sectarian
Related Words
doctrinaire, fanatic, purist; jingoist, nationalist; racialist, racist, supremacist; chauvinist, sexist
Near Antonyms
freethinker, latitudinarian, liberal
more
Other Sociology Terms

bourgeois, ethos, eugenics, exurb, incommunicado, intelligentsia, megalopolis, metrosexual, mores, subcultur

So for all of the "anti-civil rights advocates"...which of the above definitions do you most identify with?

As we all know....

Race is an immutable characteristic. And for you literate Einsteins, you might want to share with those who didn't get the meaning. Immutable means unchangeable. You know it isn't even like some people are born with penises and some with vaginas and decide to have them altered, race doesn't work that way.

And I suspect that some folks you might know think their divinely special. I read where a lot of white supremacist believe that being born white is like the chosen color created by god, so they have the right to protect themselves from those who were obviously created by god with a different skin color so the chosen whites could have somebody to **** with.

Going back to the OP....

I'd say that a business that supports a constitutional amendment that allows them to deny service for any reason that they want to...without question or consequence....ARE or WILL engage in practice of bigotry and/or racism...sooner if not immediately.

Interesting Tid Bit....

When researching this issue it will be most often be found under categories like "The Origin of the Right to Exclude" or "Property and the Right to Exclude", etc, etc.. And it appears that the most controversial concepts regarding property are held by those who label themselves Libertarians. Most Libertarians believe that a person's property is sacred and that they have a right to allow or not allow any person access...regardless of their reasons. And this belief extends to all property owners that range from privately used property to publicly used property. In other words, Civil Rights Laws end outsider their door step.

Not point fingers, you know. Just saying.

 

[AGENT J]

Re: DO I support racism?

His statement is accurate.

In fact, take it to an extreme now such there is no other place in town whatsoever to buy soda. A not selling B a soda still does not harm B in any way.

according to what facts? ZERO lol
it hurts B by violating B's rights but your views simply don't care about B's rights the same as womens rights

 

[joko104]

Re: DO I support racism?

So many white people yearn for the simpler times with everything was clearly black or white. None of that trouble grey area.

 

[opendebate]

Re: DO I support racism?

according to what facts? ZERO lol
it hurts B by violating B's rights but your views simply don't care about B's rights the same as womens rights

It would take so much effort to explain to some cro-magnon who doesn't understand the deeper impact of exclusion then having to go to a different store for a soda it makes me tired just thinking about.

 

[RiverDad]

Re: DO I support racism?

Wow, there sure seem to be a lot of tolerant liberals here in this thread. I wonder if there are any oldtimers around who lived through this:

The Boston busing crisis (1974–1988) was a series of protests and riots that occurred in Boston, Massachusetts in response to the passing of the 1965 Racial Imbalance Act, which ordered public schools in the state to desegregate. W. Arthur Garrity Jr. of the United States District Court for the District of Massachusetts laid out a plan for compulsory busing of students from predominantly white areas of the city to schools with predominantly black student populations. The legislation provoked outrage from white Bostonians and led to widespread protests and violent public disturbances. The conflict lasted for over a decade and contributed to a demographic shift in Boston public schools, with dramatically fewer students enrolling in public schools and more white families sending their children to private schools instead.​

And here is the typical liberal tactic - you just know that you're going to find liberal hypocrisy in play anytime a liberal gets his hands on the levers of power

Opponents personally attacked Judge Garrity, claiming that because he lived in a white suburb, his own children were not affected by his ruling. The author of the busing plan, Robert Dentler, lived in the suburb of Lexington, which was unaffected by the ruling.​

And look at what happened with the violence:

In one case, a black attorney named Theodore Landsmark was attacked by a group of white teenagers as he exited Boston City Hall.[4] One of the youths, Joseph Rakes, attacked Landsmark with an American flag.[5] According to Landsmark, Rakes was swinging the flag at him, not trying to spear him as it appears in the photo, and he narrowly missed. [6] A photograph of the attack on Landsmark, The Soiling of Old Glory taken by Stanley Forman for the Boston Herald American, won the Pulitzer Prize for Spot News Photography (now the Pulitzer Prize for Breaking News Photography) in 1977.[7][8] In a retaliatory incident the next day, black teenagers in Roxbury threw rocks at a white man's car and caused him to crash.[2] The youths dragged him out and crushed his skull with nearby paving stones. When police arrived, the man was surrounded by a crowd of 100 chanting "Let him die" while lying in a coma from which he never recovered.[2]

In another instance, a white teenager was stabbed nearly to death by a black teenager at South Boston High School. The community's white residents mobbed the school, trapping the black students inside.[9] There were dozens of other racial incidents at South Boston High that year.[2] The school was forced to close for a month after the stabbing.[2] When it opened again, it was one of the first high schools to install metal detectors; with 400 students attending, it was guarded by 500 police officers every day.[2] In December 1975, Judge Garrity turned out the principal of South Boston High and took control himself.​

You know, it just doesn't seem fair to me that this is the result of that grand social experiment:

By the time the experiment with busing ended in 1988, the Boston school district had shrunk from 100,000 students to 57,000, only 15% of whom were white.[10] In 2008 Boston Public Schools were 76% black and Hispanic, and 14% White.​

Isn't it time we fixed the problems caused by past generations? So hey tolerant liberals, isn't it time to once again reimpose busing on all of you white liberals? I'm sure that none of you will resist because you're all tolerant these days, not like the fossils who lived in liberal Boston back in the 1970s. What say you all? I mean it's so easy to deny shopkeepers their civil rights so why not show everyone how wonderful your vision of society can be - send your own kids to ghetto schools and prove your point.

 

[Boo Radley]

Re: DO I support racism?

It means you support first amendment rights.

No it doesn't.

 

[AGENT J]

Re: DO I support racism?

It would take so much effort to explain to some cro-magnon who doesn't understand the deeper impact of exclusion then having to go to a different store for a soda it makes me tired just thinking about.

unfortunately some people simply dont care about the rights of others they only care about rights if they apply to them.

Best part is nobody educated and honest buys thier dishonest and fallacies everybody sees it for what it is.

 

[joko104]

Re: DO I support racism?

Now now - you wouldn't want to infringe on the racist asshole's fictitious First Amendment Rights, would you?

Oh no, I'd just be exercising my rights in regards to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." It would make me happy to break his face and I can't be denied that right. You cannot find ONE word in the Constitution or Bill Of Rights saying I can't kill that guy NOR that the government as any power to regulate violence EXCEPT against the government.

THEREFORE, using their logic, I have an absolute right to do anything I want to that guy and NOTHING In the Constitution gives the government ANY right to prevent me from doing so.

According to them, I should be able to do ANYTHING without any government interference unless the Constitution SPECIFICALLY gives government that authority. That is their argument, isn't it?

 

[joko104]

Re: DO I support racism?

There is nothing in the first amendment to prohibit outlawing commercial racial discrimination. Doesn't say a word about it. They must have it confused with the Articles of the Confederacy.

 

[joko104]

Re: DO I support racism?

Again with the tactic of attacking the person. Can't you liberals ever engage the argument?

You are NOT a conservative so making your counterpart "liberals" is false.