Disable Vet Harassed By Police Because of Service Dog

[sangha]

Tell that to those who have children with servere pet allergies. What about the children???? :mrgreen:

I would have no problem telling their parents to open their wallets and buy their kid a bubble to live in.

 

[Risky Thicket]

Gotcha, In that case, if the tests are graded on a curve, someone getting more time on the test may affect the grades of others who don't receive a similar advantage, yes?

Ass talk.

 

[Bodi]

Well when the arm with which I write was broken and I had a cast and could barely write at 1/10th speed, I could not get the special treatment someone claiming to have a learning disability could so I was like screw it, good luck reading this crap because I will not be making any effort at all to make anything that I write legible, or even english, or even words.

OK... sorry to hear that. How does that negate what I said though?

 

[sangha]

Well when the arm with which I write was broken and I had a cast and could barely write at 1/10th speed, I could not get the special treatment someone claiming to have a learning disability could so I was like screw it, good luck reading this crap because I will not be making any effort at all to make anything that I write legible, or even english, or even words.

And how does that make you feel?

 

[Fiddytree]

Well when the arm with which I write was broken and I had a cast and could barely write at 1/10th speed, I could not get the special treatment someone claiming to have a learning disability could so I was like screw it, good luck reading this crap because I will not be making any effort at all to make anything that I write legible, or even english, or even words.

You would have needed to talk to a disability support specialist through the institution, and you would be required to go through the requirements of section 504.

 

[clownboy]

How do you know that those people don't need them???

Try reading:

I have a problem with folks who use disabled parking placards who don't need them

Are you seriously trying to say all folks who get the parking placards legitimately need them? That there are no scammers? I happen to know a couple.

 

[Fisher]

OK... sorry to hear that. How does that negate what I said though?

I oppose giving people extra time.

 

[clownboy]

I would have no problem telling their parents to open their wallets and buy their kid a bubble to live in.

Same way I feel about dog owners who feel they have to drag their pet everywhere. The difference? Children are humans, pets not so much. Human law serves humans as it should. Again pets, not so much.

 

[sangha]

Children are humans, pets not so much.

Not always.

Human law serves humans

Nothing is perfect

 

[Fiddytree]

Gotcha, In that case, if the tests are graded on a curve, someone getting more time on the test may affect the grades of others who don't receive a similar advantage, yes?

That's not an advantage. It levels the playing field. People without disabilities never got it. Didn't matter how often I told them when I was a kid. I mean, really, who are the whiny people in this situation? To me it was always the second guessers.

 

[shrubnose]

A New Jersey cop cites a 19 year army disabled vet and kicks him off the boardwalk for having a service dog. And this happened after the vet provided the cop with the dog's proper papers. The cop also harassed the disabled vet and mocked him asking him if all veterans get to have their own personal service dog.

Law enforcement is often out of control these days in America. IMHO the veteran should file a suit against the cop for committing a hate crime. How much crap do veterans have to take?

[h=1]Disabled Army veteran harassed by police because of service dog[/h

]What would you want done to the cop?

This cop and the other cops on that force all need to be retrained so that they don't make a mistake like this again.

 

[Bodi]

I oppose giving people extra time.

OK. Not everybody is equal. You should have some empathy and understanding.

 

[clownboy]

That's not an advantage. It levels the playing field. People without disabilities never got it. Didn't matter how often I told them when I was a kid. I mean, really, who are the whiny people in this situation? To me it was always the second guessers.

No matter how you shake it, giving extra time on a timed test that is graded on the curve is an advantage to the recipient and a disadvantage to the others taking the test. And in this day and age where virtually any kid can be diagnosed as having ADHD just by being a kid, there are those who shouldn't qualify for the extra time receiving it.

I understand the hard work you have to put in to do what comes more easily to others believe me.

 

[Fiddytree]

No matter how you shake it, giving extra time on a timed tests that is graded on the curve is an advantage to the recipient and a disadvantage to the others taking the test. And in this day and age where virtually any kid can be diagnosed as having ADHD just by being a kid, there are those who shouldn't qualify for the extra time receiving it.

I understand the hard work you have to put in to do what comes more easily to others believe me.

Like I said. People without disabilities continually think it their business to tell us what is fair, meanwhile never getting it right.

 

[Fisher]

OK. Not everybody is equal. You should have some empathy and understanding.

Professors already grade on a curve so the empathy and understanding work themselves out without all that non-sense.

 

[Bodi]

Professors already grade on a curve so the empathy and understanding work themselves out without all that non-sense.

Not all professors grade on a curve and some people having learning disabilities... it isn't that big a deal and works itself out in the long haul. People without disabilites have it so much better and easier in life that I am generally pretty shocked when they can't have compassion and understanding. Breaking your arm is hardly a reason to put yourself in their shoes and professors generally give extensions for that if it is verified byt a doctor.

 

[Fisher]

Not all professors grade on a curve and some people having learning disabilities... it isn't that big a deal and works itself out in the long haul. People without disabilites have it so much better and easier in life that I am generally pretty shocked when they can't have compassion and understanding. Breaking your arm is hardly a reason to put yourself in their shoes and professors generally give extensions for that if it is verified byt a doctor.

I am also dyslexic, especially with numbers but math was always my best subject and I never got extra anything. I just put in the time to work around it.

 

[Bodi]

I am also dyslexic, especially with numbers but math was always my best subject and I never got extra anything. I just put in the time to work around it.

If you are an American living in America and in school from the late 90's or so you qualified for extra time on tests. If you were undiagnosed or teachers were not aware than that is not their fault, nor the fault of others that have disabilities... they deserve and get extra time and help. And deservedly so too...

 

[clownboy]

Like I said. People without disabilities continually think it their business to tell us what is fair, meanwhile never getting it right.

Whoa there. The standards are chosen for the larger group, those who wish exemption from those standards for some condition beyond their control shouldn't be talking fairness when given said exemption. Everyone has a bad day now and again, some folks have lots of them - should there be a bad day exemption? Everyone is different where it comes to mental acuity and it exists in a large range. Should we get more time on a test because we're not at the top of that range? How far do you want to take that?

Languages other than my native tongue are sweat inducing and near impossible for me, should I be graded on the standards everyone else must meet for passing German language 101 or graded solely upon my effort?

 

[Risky Thicket]

Try reading:



Are you seriously trying to say all folks who get the parking placards legitimately need them? That there are no scammers? I happen to know a couple.

No. I'm saying that you have no idea in 98% of the occasions when you see someone with a HC sticker. Neither do I. That makes 98% of what you are saying unfounded.

 

[Risky Thicket]

I am also dyslexic, especially with numbers but math was always my best subject and I never got extra anything. I just put in the time to work around it.

You've been tested and it has been determined by a qualified education diagnostician that you have a learning disability?

 

[clownboy]

No. I'm saying that you have no idea in 98% of the occasions when you see someone with a HC sticker. Neither do I. That makes 98% of what you are saying unfounded.

No it doesn't. Nowhere have I posted about judging folks from sight. I said that scammers exist and that I really dislike the scammers. I don't know whose posts you've been reading.

 

[SILVER SURFER]

Really, one they are faked all the time.

Some may be faked but where’s your evidence for “all the time”? And…

Notice I said need.
Not want. Not just felt like having one.

Two you can get one for just about anything.

Since you're in FL, here is what you can get a maximum six-month temporary one for (from Form HSMV 83039 – Application for Disabled Person Parking Permit):

2. Inability to walk without the use of or assistance from a brace, cane, crutch, prosthetic device, or other assistive device, or without assistance of another person. If the assistive device significantly restores the person's ability to walk to the extent that the person can walk without severe limitation, the person is not eligible for the exemption parking permit.

3. The need to permanently use a wheelchair.

4. Restriction by lung disease to the extent that the person's forced (respiratory) expiratory volume for 1 second, when measured by spirometry, is less than one liter or the person's arterial oxygen is less than 60 mm/hg on room air at rest.

5. Use of portable oxygen.

6. Restriction by cardiac condition to the extent that the person's functional limitations are classified in severity as Class III or Class IV according to standards set by the American Heart Association.

7. Severe limitation in a person's ability to walk due to an arthritic, neurological, or orthopedic condition.

8. Legally Blind.

A permanent permit requires legal blindness or permanent disability that limits or impairs ability to walk 200 feet without stopping to rest. Whether temporary or permanent, the form requires signature by a licensed medical professional.

I have seen perfectly healthy people walk away from a lifted 4x4 truck or Jeep with one of those on their mirror.

At least 2, 4, 6 and 7 above and a permanent disability that limits or impairs ability to walk 200 feet without stopping to rest are not necessarily visually obvious and do not necessarily preclude entering and exiting a lifted 4x4 or Jeep. And…

Unless you had some knowledge this man was "gaming" the system, I think you are out of line.

For the record, I agree that once the guy presented paper showing the dog is a service/therapeutic/whatever animal, the cop should have dropped it and moved on. But from your and some others’ posts, I have to wonder whether you and everyone else who objects would be so incensed if a plain ol’ disabled person, rather than a vet, was involved.

 

[Risky Thicket]

Whoa there. The standards are chosen for the larger group, those who wish exemption from those standards for some condition beyond their control shouldn't be talking fairness when given said exemption. Everyone has a bad day now and again, some folks have lots of them - should there be a bad day exemption? Everyone is different where it comes to mental acuity and it exists in a large range. Should we get more time on a test because we're not at the top of that range? How far do you want to take that?

Languages other than my native tongue are sweat inducing and near impossible for me, should I be graded on the standards everyone else must meet for passing German language 101 or graded solely upon my effort?

:rofl There is a point for all of us where given the subject being discussed we discover that we are in over our heads. The difficult part is that we also realize that everyone, or most everyone else, realizes that we don't have enough knowledge capital to continue in the discussion. You crossed that line about 10 posts ago. Seriously. Your mouth is way, way out in front of your brain on this one.

It's ugly, Clown. Walk away.

 

[CRUE CAB]

Some may be faked but where’s your evidence for “all the time”? And…






Since you're in FL, here is what you can get a maximum six-month temporary one for (from Form HSMV 83039 – Application for Disabled Person Parking Permit):

2. Inability to walk without the use of or assistance from a brace, cane, crutch, prosthetic device, or other assistive device, or without assistance of another person. If the assistive device significantly restores the person's ability to walk to the extent that the person can walk without severe limitation, the person is not eligible for the exemption parking permit.

3. The need to permanently use a wheelchair.

4. Restriction by lung disease to the extent that the person's forced (respiratory) expiratory volume for 1 second, when measured by spirometry, is less than one liter or the person's arterial oxygen is less than 60 mm/hg on room air at rest.

5. Use of portable oxygen.

6. Restriction by cardiac condition to the extent that the person's functional limitations are classified in severity as Class III or Class IV according to standards set by the American Heart Association.

7. Severe limitation in a person's ability to walk due to an arthritic, neurological, or orthopedic condition.

8. Legally Blind.

A permanent permit requires legal blindness or permanent disability that limits or impairs ability to walk 200 feet without stopping to rest. Whether temporary or permanent, the form requires signature by a licensed medical professional.




At least 2, 4, 6 and 7 above and a permanent disability that limits or impairs ability to walk 200 feet without stopping to rest are not necessarily visually obvious and do not necessarily preclude entering and exiting a lifted 4x4 or Jeep. And…




For the record, I agree that once the guy presented paper showing the dog is a service/therapeutic/whatever animal, the cop should have dropped it and moved on. But from your and some others’ posts, I have to wonder whether you and everyone else who objects would be so incensed if a plain ol’ disabled person, rather than a vet, was involved.

Move to Florida and you can see what I mean. Dont just cite law. 25 year old dude jumps out of a new lifted GMC2500 and walks just fine into the store. Yea, I clearly see his all kinds of disabled. Pfffffft