Did you see Kyle?

[ClaraD]

If those communists are attacking a 17 year old boy as part of a rabid mob, then yes, it's OK to shoot them. I would rather see criminals shot in the act of attempted murder of a minor, than have to read about the minor dying or having brain damage.

It's called having some damn morals.

was the Paramedic he shot a communist? I would say that the Paramedic was doing lawful duty by trying to disarm an active shooter....and shooting that Paramedic is a crime.

 

[truthatallcost]

was the Paramedic he shot a communist? I would say that the Paramedic was doing lawful duty by trying to disarm an active shooter....and shooting that Paramedic is a crime.

He's not a paramedic.
I believe he is a communist.
He pulled a gun on a minor.
His friend reported that Grosskreutz said he regrets not killing "the kid".

 

[ClaraD]

He had left the group and the police had closed the area off and would not allow him to return.

No evidence of any wrongdoing that would justify a middle aged man trying to run down and attack a minor? Didn't think so.

he should not have been there, he should not have been illegally carrying a weapon and he should not have wandered off in the first place.

 

[ClaraD]

You posted a link to the "Wisconsin Carry" website, which isn't remotely authoritative, and did not include a source for the claim that "The minimum age to open carry in Wisconsin is 18."

I've clicked on many other links in the past few days that supposedly prove this, but almost all fail to provide an actual source. The only one that sourced an actual Wisconsin statute pointed to the very same section of code that your buddies have been selectively quoting without including the most relevant part, as I have explained multiple times across multiple threads already.

But seriously, I've stopped caring about convincing you (never really cared, actually). Feel free to believe what you want.



That's not actually the main topic, as I pointed out before. You're the one making it the main topic. The main topic is whether he was acting in self defense. Whether he was allowed to have a gun at the time is a side-show. But thanks for crutching on it. It's been a scintillating conversation.

he was in Wisconsin, so he is subjected to Wisconsin laws and Illinois laws...he wasn't legally able to carry, because he is 17 friggin years old...not 18.

 

[ClaraD]

Do you feel the same way about Nazis?

absolutely. I do not like Nazis period...but no, you cannot just go shoot someone because you think they are a Nazi. That isn't how this country works.

 

[ClaraD]

He's not a paramedic.
I believe he is a communist.
He pulled a gun on a minor.
His friend reported that Grosskreutz said he regrets not killing "the kid".

that isn't who I am talking about. I am talking about the guy who had the gun in pictures being shown. He was a paramedic trying to take down an active shooter and he is an eye witness and why the kid is charged with first degree murder.

 

[Noodlegawd]

he was in Wisconsin, so he is subjected to Wisconsin laws and Illinois laws...he wasn't legally able to carry, because he is 17 friggin years old...not 18.

Look, I'm not going to continue with this stupid argument. I already quoted the entire statue that he has been charged with violating, and explained why I think it doesn't apply. Nobody has even tried to rebut that argument in substance. The criminal complaint contains no particulars regarding the text of the statute either. So we'll see.

 

[Noodlegawd]

that isn't who I am talking about. I am talking about the guy who had the gun in pictures being shown. He was a paramedic trying to take down an active shooter and he is an eye witness and why the kid is charged with first degree murder.

Active shooters don't make phone calls after they shoot a single person who was attacking them, and they don't run TOWARD the police when they are surrounded by people they could be shooting.

Sheer nonsense.

 

[ClaraD]

Look, I'm not going to continue with this stupid argument. I already quoted the entire statue that he has been charged with violating, and explained why I think it doesn't apply. Nobody has even tried to rebut that argument in substance. The criminal complaint contains no particulars regarding the text of the statute either. So we'll see.

no, you didn't....and let's see your license to practice law in Wisconsin....oh, that's right...you don't have one....so leave it to the people who know...the court...who charged him with illegal possesion of a weapon by a minor.

 

[ClaraD]

Active shooters don't make phone calls after they shoot a single person who was attacking them, and they don't run TOWARD the police when they are surrounded by people they could be shooting.

Sheer nonsense.

he called to brag about killing someone to his friend...and he ran to his home, not to a police station.

 

[Noodlegawd]

he called to brag about killing someone to his friend...and he ran to his home, not to a police station.

Yawn. It's like we're watching different videos. I'm watching one where he's running straight down the middle of the street and right up to a police car with his hands in the air, and you're watching an imaginary one where he's sneaking through the bushes.

 

[Excon]

Nobody should be sad for Kyle. He's a piece of human trash that deserves to rot his life away in a prison cell.

Wrong.
He was a young adult acting in self defense from the actions of "human trash".

 

[Excon]

Some people want to kill another human being.

So they go to these protests in the hopes of getting an opportunity to shoot someone.

Kyle killed 2.

That description fits the guy that got a chunk of his arm blown off. He clearly stated he wished he had emptied his magazine into him. Unlike Kyle, he is exactly the kind of person who went there looking for trouble and with the intent to harm.

 

[What if...?]

Wrong.
He was a young adult acting in self defense from the actions of "human trash".

Didn't he walk toward the first guy he shot?

I'd he did he was the aggressor.

 

[Excon]

At least you admit that "All lives matter" was a cover for racism. :shrug:

Wow. What dumb commentary by you.
How is what the poster said an admission of that? And then explain how that is an admission for the significantly vast majority of non-racists who use the term?

 

[Excon]

Didn't he walk toward the first guy he shot?

I'd he did he was the aggressor.

Seriously? Have you not seen the available video of the encounters?

The first encounter was numb-nuts getting a brand new hole in his head.
Numb-nuts charged Kyle while throwing soming in a plastic bag at him.

 

[Excon]

The kid and the thugs with guns that he was with, showed intent by claiming to be there to protect property with firearms. To the point this is the type of thing that can happen when you show up at a protest or riot with guns. Someone just might take offence at your threatening them. ANd make no mistake a group of armed paramilitary assholes waving their guns around in a crowd is threatening behavior.

That is just dumb.

 

[Fishking]

And yet he has been arrested for murder.

...and?

 

[roguenuke]

He's not a paramedic.
I believe he is a communist.
He pulled a gun on a minor.
His friend reported that Grosskreutz said he regrets not killing "the kid".

So now people are supposed to know the ages of those breaking the law? You do know you can legitimately pull a gun on a minor if you believe said minor is a danger to others lives, right?

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[roguenuke]

Active shooters don't make phone calls after they shoot a single person who was attacking them, and they don't run TOWARD the police when they are surrounded by people they could be shooting.

Sheer nonsense.

There is no evidence he was running towards the police to turn himself in. In fact, the evidence actually refutes that since he passes right by the police, does not stop to turn himself in, drives home rather than to the police station.

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[roguenuke]

Yawn. It's like we're watching different videos. I'm watching one where he's running straight down the middle of the street and right up to a police car with his hands in the air, and you're watching an imaginary one where he's sneaking through the bushes.

Yes, but does not actually tell them what he did, try to legitimately stop them. More like he was trying to pretend he wasn't involved or get help from those he viewed as on his side.

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[Excon]

Nobody came out ahead, and whoever poisoned that kid's mind to the point where he would toss a rifle into the car and head for Kenosha has some serious **** to answer for.

The poisoned minds appear to be totally on the left in regards to this issue and the riots.

 

[Taylor]

Didn't he walk toward the first guy he shot?

I'd he did he was the aggressor.

No. He was running from the first guy he shot. He turned to look once and sees the guy right behind him (who pauses for a split second). He then runs another 15 feet or so into some cars where he turns around and the guy keeps charging him. At that point he shoots 4 times, circles the car, then walked toward him. He calls a friend (!!) to tell him that he killed someone, but someone yells "get that mother****er!" and he takes off running.

 

[Excon]

I saw someone circle a hand with something in it, not clear that it's a gun. I clearly saw the others trying to chase him down after the first shooting and he turned and shot at them too. The only thing sparing this punk 25 to life will be his color and age.

You certainly do spew some stupid bs.
Oh yeah, ... color will not play a part.

 

[Excon]

The jury will have to ask the question, whether or not if he's partially culpable of homicide by partially creating a situation where he felt compelled to use deadly force.

Please show us the jury instruction where they will be instructed to do that.