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Did Trump screw the pooch with his comments about Mr & Mrs Khan

Did Trump screw the pooch with his comments about Mr & Mrs Khan


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Nope. And neither was he if you listen to what he was saying instead of how Trump spinners spin it.

You talked about how he approved of how the Chinese and Russian governments "dealt with it". They "dealt with it" by crushing the demonstrators.
 
Trump has swooned over Hussein's ability to "fight terrorism/keep it in check".
Has he?

If so, it's just par for the course for him. He apparently loves flirting with an authoritarian and autocratic form of government as much as he enjoys flirting with Vegas showgirls.
 
Has he?

If so, it's just par for the course for him. He apparently loves flirting with an authoritarian and autocratic form of government as much as he enjoys flirting with Vegas showgirls.

Donald Trump praises Saddam Hussein's efficient killing of 'terrorists' - CNNPolitics.com

"He was a bad guy -- really bad guy. But you know what? He did well? He killed terrorists. He did that so good. They didn't read them the rights. They didn't talk. They were terrorists. Over. Today, Iraq is Harvard for terrorism," Trump said.

He's done the same before.
 
He didn't admire how they dealt with it. He did use that as an illustration of what strength is compared to fecklessness or helplessness or unwillingness of government to act. It was a clear message that the states or communities will not have to fear his justice department when they deal properly with thugs and creeps destroying property, terrorizing law abiding citizens, and stealing them blind in the name of 'free speech'.
I don't think most rational people who would actually sit and listen to his words and undertones would agree with your assessment. I think he admires their actions greatly and the "strength" and "efficiency" of their governments.

And "thugs and creeps".....really??? That stupidity doesn't even warrant a response. If you're calling unarmed Chinese students protesting for more democracy "thugs and creeps".....you are as horrible as your master.
 
He called it a RIOT and said, "the Chinese government almost blew it......"

What more do you need? Are you intentionally being this obtuse? I really don't get it with some people.

He didn't call it a riot. He said it was putting down 'a riot' which it was in the language of the Chinese government. Trump often doesn't fill in the blanks or elaborate on the metaphors that he uses. It is obvious from that clip he did not approve of what the Chinese government did.

. . .With Zhao Ziyang out of the country, hardliners in the government such as Li Peng took the opportunity to bend the ear of the powerful leader of the Party Elders, Deng Xiaoping. Deng was known as a reformer himself, supportive of market reforms and greater openness, but the hardliners exaggerated the threat posed by the students. Li Peng even told Deng that the protesters were hostile to him personally, and were calling for his ouster and the downfall of the Communist government. (This accusation was a fabrication.)

Clearly worried, Deng Xiaoping decided to denounce the demonstrations in an editorial published in the April 26th People's Daily. He called the protests dongluan (meaning "turmoil" or "rioting") by a "tiny minority." These highly emotive terms were associated with the atrocities of the Cultural Revolution. Rather than tamping down the students' fervor, Deng's editorial further inflamed it. The government had just made its second grave mistake.

Not unreasonably, the students felt that they could not end the protest if it was labeled dongluan, for fear that they would be prosecuted. Some 50,000 of them continued to press the case that patriotism motivated them, not hooliganism. Until the government stepped back from that characterization, the students could not leave Tiananmen Square.

But the government too was trapped by the editorial. Deng Xiaoping had staked his reputation, and that of the government, on getting the students to back down. Who would blink first?. . .
The Tiananmen Square Massacre - Background and Causes
 
You talked about how he approved of how the Chinese and Russian governments "dealt with it". They "dealt with it" by crushing the demonstrators.

I approved of nothing of the sort. Nor did he.
 
I don't think most rational people who would actually sit and listen to his words and undertones would agree with your assessment. I think he admires their actions greatly and the "strength" and "efficiency" of their governments.

And "thugs and creeps".....really??? That stupidity doesn't even warrant a response. If you're calling unarmed Chinese students protesting for more democracy "thugs and creeps".....you are as horrible as your master.

Since I didn't say that nor did Donald Trump, you'll have to find some other way to demonize us as 'horrible' if you are going to be intellectually honest.
 
Read back thru the thread is my advice.

See, that's a escape from answering the questions. It's real simple, list one, two or even three things he said that were specifically insulting to this family and the service his son made and the life that was sacrificed. That's a true and honest debate. Not just cause I said so....
 
See, that's a escape from answering the questions. It's real simple, list one, two or even three things he said that were specifically insulting to this family and the service his son made and the life that was sacrificed. That's a true and honest debate. Not just cause I said so....
No escape- read up on the thread. if you cannot do that, then jump in at page whatever and ask what is up, well I ain't your waterboy.
So pls do not use that crap on me. to old for it. Do your own legwork, compile the quotes and questions and I will reply. But again I ain't carrying your water.
Old Army saying, 1 man 1 kit.
 
That's not all he said, and his idea of a sacrifice is rather strange, imo.

>>they aren't permitted to do a lot of other things like speak openly.

Where did you get that information? It's false.

>>It isn't a lie that he said, it was his honest opinion and feelings.

I suppose he didn't lie in this case, but he has lied many times in this campaign, and the opinion and feelings he expressed are … questionable.

>>why is Trump so bad because he spoke out about what he believes?

It's not speaking that's the problem, it's what he said.

>>If they want to use their son's death to make a point, then the other opponent shouldn't be barred from speaking

Of course he's not "barred," and as a strong opponent of his, I'm happy to see him talk. He's talking himself into a landslide loss, difficult to accomplish these days.

My knowledge is that many true Muslim women are barred from many things American women are not barred from. This is important why? Because we are a country of freedom and I for one do not want to be told to hide my face, my hair, my voice. I'm not going backwards and I think these beliefs need to be known. Especially when you look at the war we are facing against radical Islamic Muslims. Women are property, are slaves. I take that very seriously and so should our current and future president! The world should look into the possible slavery of these women trapped by this religious belief!
 
No escape- read up on the thread. if you cannot do that, then jump in at page whatever and ask what is up, well I ain't your waterboy.
So pls do not use that crap on me. to old for it. Do your own legwork, compile the quotes and questions and I will reply. But again I ain't carrying your water.
Old Army saying, 1 man 1 kit.

So you got nothing?! I was looking for a good and honest answer-don't need water to quench my thirst.
 
So you got nothing?! I was looking for a good and honest answer-don't need water to quench my thirst.

You are lazy. Do not try and hang that on me. try to inform yourself of the issues, the arguments, both for and against, read the thread.
Then post the quotes, make it one long page and i will answer. but i am not into bringing someone up to script when they jump in at page what ever and ask, can you bring me up to speed on that. Hire a tutor. Educate yourself, but i ain't your teacher.
 
I'm a liberal and I don't believe any of that. How does that fit into yer claim of an "ideological fact of life"?



The motivation behind calls to marginally increase the taxes on wealthy households is:

  • we need more money to fund needed public sector investments
  • for a variety of reasons, wealthy households have collected nearly all the income gains achieved over the past thirty-five years, one of those reasons being massive tax cut giveaways to them
>>trying to make it sound its fair for those who make about 22% of the income paying even more than 40% of Federal income tax

Last year, the top one percent did indeed collect 22% of national income, but paid only 24% of all taxes. Federal income tax is only one tax collected in this country.





I'd say the Establishment Clause in the First Amendment is relevant here. And the US has legally binding international commitments to human rights that would also be violated by banning immigrants through a religious test.

>>The Constitution has banned groups of people on previous occasions - (slaves, women, American Indians, Torries, theocracies, terrorists, undocumented voters,<gun owners>)

How do you ban immigration by "theocracies"? Those aren't people.

Can you provide more information regarding the other groups in yer list? And what do you mean when you say "banned"? The group you may want to focus on is those horrible Chinese. But that practice was ended in 1943 when we decided that communists were even worse.

>>The Constitution is about creating and MAINTAINING a federal government that is more effective than a loose confederacy of states as was in The Articles of Confederation.

In part yes, and fwiw I support the federalist cause. But the document is about other things as well, for example major elements contained in the Bill of Rights and subsequent Amendments.

>>Trump NEVER criticized the military service of the son.

No one's saying he did. He saved that for Sen McCain.

>>Even though the son's loss was a loss to the family, that doesn't, because of political correctness, force Trump to be mute on the father's incorrect accusations of Trump's plan to vet Muslims.

No one's saying Trump shouldn't express his views in that regard.

>>Hillary campaign, the candidate of misinformation.

Did Frumpy ever meet Putin? Did he see "thousands and thousands" of people cheering in Jersey City during the 9/11 attacks? I'll save the other examples and ask you to comment on those.



Teat-suckers like Social Security recipients, Medicare beneficiaries, veterans, and those who collect funds expended by DOD.

2015 budget expenditures, in billions

Social Security and Medicare 1370
Defence 650
Veterans payments 92
Military retirement 52

That's $2.164 trillion, 59% of last year's spending. Add $251 billion (seven percent) for interest on the national debt, and you've accounted for two-thirds of outlays. You'll say all the people at the FBI and NSA and EPA and OSHA and NRC and CDC and NIH and NASA and NOAA and Treasury, State, Agriculture, Interior, Labor, Commerce, etc are teat-suckers.

"Welfare" accounts for about ten percent of federal spending, and that includes money that goes to disabled teat-suckers.

>>I guarantee businesses and business owners would gladly - or at least willingly - pay additional taxes to support that infrastructure.

So why doesn't it get passed? Actually, Ryan did get started on this last year. Let's hope he continues to be successful in that regard.

>>we all know that's not where the Democrats want that extra cash to go.

They don't control the Congress. And again, are they blocking increases in infrastructure spending?



What are you talking about? At the federal level, the Congress enacts tax legislation.


lots of the taxes the bottom 20% pays are with moneys given to them that come from others. Plus its not honest to pretend that the progressive taxes should be made more progressive so that the overall tax payments-which includes many taxes that are not intended, designed or work out to be progressive-become more progressive too
 
Looking at your list above, I can't help but remember how many times you've said that Obama was stupid or clueless or whatever, even though I'm quite sure you know that he graduated Harvard magna cum laude, was editor of the Harvard Law Review, and did pass the bar exam on the first try.

But since he's a black guy with a funny name and has a (D) instead of an (R) behind his name, he must be stupid, huh?


never said he was stupid. Just incompetent
 
lots of the taxes the bottom 20% pays are with moneys given to them that come from others.

Yeah, others like their employers. And what about those from the twenty-first to the ninety-ninth percentiles?

>>its not honest to pretend that the progressive taxes should be made more progressive so that the overall tax payments-which includes many taxes that are not intended, designed or work out to be progressive-become more progressive too

Sorry, I am unable to decipher that … comment. But since, as the table I posted shows, the top one percent collected 22.2% of national income last year and paid only 23.8% of all taxes, there is very little overall progressivity in the system.
 
Yeah, others like their employers. And what about those from the twenty-first to the ninety-ninth percentiles?

>>its not honest to pretend that the progressive taxes should be made more progressive so that the overall tax payments-which includes many taxes that are not intended, designed or work out to be progressive-become more progressive too

Sorry, I am unable to decipher that … comment. But since, as the table I posted shows, the top one percent collected 22.2% of national income last year and paid only 23.8% of all taxes, there is very little overall progressivity in the system.

You're posting style sucks. Learn how to quote correctly. You are being dishonest by pretending that the top one percent made 22% of the income but in reality they paid FORTY percent of the income taxes. You are pretending that the entire tax system should be more progressive when many taxes are never intended to be progressive. stuff like sales taxes, driver's licenses and such are not progressive and have no relevance to an overall system that is a combination of progressive taxes and non progressive taxes.

your table is also misleading because it really doesn't show the percentage that the rich actually pay. As a proportion of their income is worthless-what is important is that ONE PERCENT of the country pays 40% of the income tax even though they only make about 22% of the income. a fair system would be the group that makes 22% of the income pays 22% of the income tax
 
You're posting style sucks. Learn how to quote correctly. You are being dishonest by pretending that the top one percent made 22% of the income but in reality they paid FORTY percent of the income taxes. You are pretending that the entire tax system should be more progressive when many taxes are never intended to be progressive. stuff like sales taxes, driver's licenses and such are not progressive and have no relevance to an overall system that is a combination of progressive taxes and non progressive taxes.

your table is also misleading because it really doesn't show the percentage that the rich actually pay. As a proportion of their income is worthless-what is important is that ONE PERCENT of the country pays 40% of the income tax even though they only make about 22% of the income. a fair system would be the group that makes 22% of the income pays 22% of the income tax

Yes the posting style sucks the big one.
Can we return to the OP??
 
Yeah, others like their employers. And what about those from the twenty-first to the ninety-ninth percentiles?

>>its not honest to pretend that the progressive taxes should be made more progressive so that the overall tax payments-which includes many taxes that are not intended, designed or work out to be progressive-become more progressive too

Sorry, I am unable to decipher that … comment. But since, as the table I posted shows, the top one percent collected 22.2% of national income last year and paid only 23.8% of all taxes, there is very little overall progressivity in the system.
Your posting style sucks. Many have said so. It is lazy. So try hard, hard as it may be to use quotes properly. As everyone else does
Now back to the OP
 
You are lazy. Do not try and hang that on me. try to inform yourself of the issues, the arguments, both for and against, read the thread.
Then post the quotes, make it one long page and i will answer. but i am not into bringing someone up to script when they jump in at page what ever and ask, can you bring me up to speed on that. Hire a tutor. Educate yourself, but i ain't your teacher.

Do you realize you spent six sentences refusing to give me even one example of how Donald trump insulted the military service of Mr. Kahn's son? I'm not fooled and the American people will not be fooled.
 
Now that the truth has come out about the Khan's being DNC, Clinton foundation grifters, trump will be OK, even though the Nedra will continue to lie about it.
 
I think that serving Members of the Service are legally prohibited from making commentary on political issues. As they should be, they serve.

Darn...

I'd forgotten about that restriction. Serves me right for being out of the military for nearly 20 years.

Guess it's up to Muslim-American veterans then. Go get 'em, Omar Rihiam Al-Shabaaz. :mrgreen:
 
Do you realize you spent six sentences refusing to give me even one example of how Donald trump insulted the military service of Mr. Kahn's son? I'm not fooled and the American people will not be fooled.

Nope- I took the time to lay my position out clearly on educating you. Like it or not, I do not care.
 
Again I'll base my opinion on what he actually said instead of what somebody writing on Wikipedia spins it that he said. He is a master at playing people who like to spin things, including the media, to suck all the air out of the room and put all the attention on himself. That's how he has gotten as far as he has gotten. But will he support those who use force necessary to restore order against thugs and hoodlums who are disrupting and destroying innocent people's businesses and sometimes injuring those people? He says he will. And I believe every person who believes such violence should not be tolerated will applaud and support that effort.

But as individual states, it's not up to the POTUS to make that call, not without consent from the state's governor.

State's rights, remember.
 
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