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No it doesnt, source that. They are field officers, everyone knows that...including themselves. If there's a claim of no pulse, what is the prudent action with a restrained and non-resisting suspect? TO HELP THEM. The cops are responsible for the safety of a suspect in their custody.State has TO PROVE that the officers knew that Floyd had no pulse.
Read the descriptions of the charges. Intent isnt necessary for Murder 2 or 3.The state has TO PROVE that their actions were with intent to harm Floyd---even as with the 3rd degree murder charge they don't have to prove they officers intended to murder Floyd.
Chauvin had more street experience than the rest. 2 cops were rookies so they may not even know what could be dangerous. As noted, EMTs have a very different perspective and training than cops, and the other off duty EMT bystander, has already demonstrated she is pretty much a half baked moron by her behavior in court, so I don't give her much weight in this. She may have recognized Floyd's respiratory distress based on her training, but she sure didn't do much about it if SHE REALLY BELIEVED those cops were killing Floyd.
What is left is the other cop (Thou) who had several years of on the job experience, so his perspective I would give more weight to, if he is ever called to offer it. But since he will tried in a seperate trial, he cannot be made to testify.
"Did you see Officer Chauvin’s knee on Floyd’s neck?" an investigator asked him.
"At some point, yes," Thao replied.
Thao goes on to explain that he didn’t get a good look at where exactly Chauvin was applying pressure on Floyd because, again, his focus was on the crowd.
His body camera footage released on Thursday shows his vantage point, where you can also hear bystanders pleading for the officers to check Floyd’s pulse.
"Was the crowd letting you know there was a change in Mr. Floyd’s disposition?" the investigator asked.
"Yes," Thao said.
"And what were they telling you?" the investigator asked.
"They were saying he wasn’t moving," Thao said.
"Did you have concerns about that?" the investigator replied.
"Umm… I was concerned about the crowd. I would hope the other officers would do their job," Thao replied.
One of the more revealing moments came just as the interview was wrapping up.
"Do you think you could have done something differently to intervene?" the investigator asked.
"I’m under the belief that you can always do something differently on every single call… I guess I would be more observant toward Floyd," Thao said.
Thao also told investigators that he and Chauvin were actually called off halfway to the scene but decided to keep going because he wanted to help the two rookie officers.
No it doesnt, source that. They are field officers, everyone knows that...including themselves. If there's a claim of no pulse, what is the prudent action with a restrained and non-resisting suspect? TO HELP THEM. The cops are responsible for the safety of a suspect in their custody.
Read the descriptions of the charges. Intent isnt necessary for Murder 2 or 3.
No it doesnt, source that. They are field officers, everyone knows that...including themselves. If there's a claim of no pulse, what is the prudent action with a restrained and non-resisting suspect? TO HELP THEM. The cops are responsible for the safety of a suspect in their custody.
Read the descriptions of the charges. Intent isnt necessary for Murder 2 or 3.
Almost none of that matters with regards to the charges. And yes the defense is going to try very hard to prove your last sentence...so far, since Chauvin made so many mistakes, intentional or not...it wont matter. It's obvious he had many opportunities to get off of him and render medical aid. Which was also his responsibility. He's still accountable for those 'mistakes' and IMO the jury will hold him so.Floyd took an overdose of drugs, the officers didn't do that to him.
The officer called for EMTs TWICE, it took the EMT's longer than usual to respond.
Cops aren't doctors, and expecting them to be ER level nurses is silly.
Reality is Floyd probably would have died anyway.
Yes, assault. And they are well on their way to doing so. WIthout testimony from Chauvin from explaining WHY he acted as he did, it's not that hard to see his treatment as punishment or anger.Not prove intent to murder, but they still need to prove INTENT to commit the felony which causes the death.
See above. Murder 3 will be a good long sentence.If Floyd died due an accident that isn't murder 3. If he died due to criminal negligence then that would be manslaughter, the more likely charge a jury may agree to. And the state knew this from the beginning, and why they originally didn't charge the murder 3; they knew it likely to be manslaughter, and knew a jury wouldn't go for murder 2 anyway, but that charge appeased the violent mobs last year,
So, something like this?
Former MPD officer Tou Thao reveals to investigators what he could've done differently in Floyd case
Former Minneapolis Police Officer Tou Thao admitted he could have been “more observant” toward George Floyd while working crowd control, as his partner had his knee to the back of Floyd’s neck, according to a newly released video interview ...kstp.com
Sounds like he's in the world of---wasn't my job. Those guys should have known what they were trained to do.
IMO this pic leads the way in taking Chauvin down. Does he look worried about the crowd there? No.Not prove intent to murder, but they still need to prove INTENT to commit the felony which causes the death.
Don't do drugs is my advice. Expecting Chauvin, Thao, Oprah, or the Easter bunny to save your dumb dope head ass already headed to an early grave is too much to expect. Floyd killed himself, if it didn't happen that day, it would have been another day. Why are people crying over George Floyd? He's just another Rodney King type. And yes, Rodney King finally won his jackpot the same way, drowned while high in a swimming pool.
The truth is that George Floyd was behind the wheel of a car when the first two officers arrived. Floyd stoned out of his mind, clearly DUI. And YES you are considered DUI even parked as long as you are in the drivers seat of a car capable of being driven. So, to my thinking, the police may have intervened from Floyd eventually driving off and killing some innocent person, maybe a child.
I don't give a damn about George Floyd, or anyone of ANY RACE like him. Asking me to be angry at Officer Thao---sorry, just don't have a reason to.
Almost none of that matters with regards to the charges. And yes the defense is going to try very hard to prove your last sentence...so far, since Chauvin made so many mistakes, intentional or not...it wont matter. It's obvious he had many opportunities to get off of him and render medical aid. Which was also his responsibility. He's still accountable for those 'mistakes' and IMO the jury will hold him so.
Yes, assault. And they are well on their way to doing so. WIthout testimony from Chauvin from explaining WHY he acted as he did, it's not that hard to see his treatment as punishment or anger.
But if not, Murder 3 only requires a depraved indifference to life. IMO, they've easily got that.
See above. Murder 3 will be a good long sentence.
Not true, courts have said the police are under no obligation to protect anyone. Chauvin was holding GF down until EMTs arrived. The state will not be able to prove Chauvin killed Floyd.
EXPERTS for the state have already admitted that the prone hold with a knee is one of several techniques officer are trained to do. So, at what point did go from an allowable technique to assault is the million dollar question>
NO, a "depraved indifference" would not have included officers taking Floyd out of the car when it was clear he was having a drug induced episode. "Depraved indifference" would not have included them calling EMT's and then 90 seconds later upping the call to code three. Depraved indifference would have been just stuffing Floyd into the car and letting him wig out and harm himself, or die of overdose in the squad car. But that happens too, and when it does then the city is sued for not doing enough when it goes that way too.
Who knows what a jury may decide, but I can guarantee you this: loser dope head George Floyd will be responsible for more deaths, more carnage, more grief for the most vulnerable poor neighborhoods of color as more and more cops will no longer bother to even try to make a difference in crime in those places. The chilling effect of all of these incidents going back to Fergeson and beyond, does not affect the nice safe White gated communities where people like me live; cops here are happy to respond, happy to make a difference, happy to protect and serve. I just feel sorry for poor working class people of color surrounded by scum who will have nobody to call for help going forward. Mabye they should just go like Portland and Seattle and let the nuts and thugs run their cities?
I cannot believe you dont see the distinction here.Not true, courts have said the police are under no obligation to protect anyone. Chauvin was holding GF down until EMTs arrived. The state will not be able to prove Chauvin killed Floyd.
If you were listening, they all agreed he was wrong there "in his application". And they have the training materials, signed by Chauvin, that specify the correct way to do it. I'm sure the defense will present something to try and dispute that but in the long run, nothing will be able to erase that whatever his methodolgy, he completely ignored the condition of the suspect. And he wont be able to deny it, since many brought it to his attention, including his fellow cops. "No pulse?" Twice? that's on the video and he acknowledged it. Every single expert said he was wrong to continue once the suspect was no longer resisting. Much less non-responsive!EXPERTS for the state have already admitted that the prone hold with a knee is one of several techniques officer are trained to do. So, at what point did go from an allowable technique to assault is the million dollar question>
Not sure why you think ANY of that is relevant. It's not. There are no 'murder charges' associated with those actions. It is however, demonstrated clearly in the final restraint where Chauvin ignored ALL signs and information telling him that GF was in medical distress. And it's observable to all in the video. I posted a particular famous picture that spells it out clearly.NO, a "depraved indifference" would not have included officers taking Floyd out of the car when it was clear he was having a drug induced episode. "Depraved indifference" would not have included them calling EMT's and then 90 seconds later upping the call to code three. Depraved indifference would have been just stuffing Floyd into the car and letting him wig out and harm himself, or die of overdose in the squad car. But that happens too, and when it does then the city is sued for not doing enough when it goes that way too.
This is all your feelings and resentment against GF. Who cares? I'm not remotely sticking up for him as a person...only as a victim THAT DAY. Because that could be any person, esp. a person of color...innocent or guilty, healthy or with a medical condition. God forbid a cop like Chauvin executes them by his or her depraved indifference.Who knows what a jury may decide, but I can guarantee you this: loser dope head George Floyd will be responsible for more deaths, more carnage, more grief for the most vulnerable poor neighborhoods of color as more and more cops will no longer bother to even try to make a difference in crime in those places. The chilling effect of all of these incidents going back to Fergeson and beyond, does not affect the nice safe White gated communities where people like me live; cops here are happy to respond, happy to make a difference, happy to protect and serve. I just feel sorry for poor working class people of color surrounded by scum who will have nobody to call for help going forward. Mabye they should just go like Portland and Seattle and let the nuts and thugs run their cities?
It is if you resist the interaction from the start. Cooperate and you may not be arrested. There's also the fact he was behind the wheel while intoxicated, failing to follow police commands to show his hands, active and passive resistance to arrest, and possession of controlled substances.Quick question, since I haven't been fully following the case.
Why was GF arrested in the first place? Trying to pass a fake twenty dollar bill isn't an arrest-able offense (or am I wrong about that?).
Highly qualifiedFirst witness, Dr. Martin Tobin.
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Pulmonary and critical care doctor at a Chicago hospital. Specializes in pulmonology and critical care. Pulmonology is the study and treatment of the entire respiratory system. Been a Dr 45 years, got his degree in Dublin. Originally from rural Ireland. Currently licensed in IL.
Says the primary problem Floyd had was obstruction of the hypopharynx, at the back of the throat.
He wrote a big book the Lancet calls "the Bible on ventilation." Also published in many respectable peer reviewed journals.
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We also have no idea of the possible drug interactions between fentanyl and and rigid quality control of the drain cleaner used in making the meth.I have not seen any evidence presented of drug tolerance. I do not know if it is possible to build a tolerance to fentanyl, and I don't know if there is such thing as a tolerance to stress to your heart from meth.
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