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"Democrats, you do NOT want to nominate Joe Biden"

Re: "Democrats, you do NOT want to nominate Joe Biden"

Winston said:
Biden is one of the weakest candidate to beat Trump. Maybe only Bloomberg is weaker.
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On the 'facts', the 'substance', yes he is. A disaster - to compete with a worse disaster. But we need to put that aside some to look at the political facts. The fact he's getting the turnout Bernie didn't, with no operation and no budget, and worse, less supported policies, shows his strength in the election is a lot higher than the facts justify. He can beat trump.
 
CaughtInThe said:
you mean the one where a united Democratic Party will beat Trump and a fractured one won't? That truth?
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No. The one you're deaf to. And have missed the point on at least three posts now. Since you don't recognize the pointlessness of this exchange, I will and don't plan to bother replying.
 
Re: "Democrats, you do NOT want to nominate Joe Biden"

Winston said:
Have fun losing to Trump. Let me know when you actually feel like winning some elections and I'll be here.
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I appreciate the "don't count your chickens; better make sure to vote" attitude.
 
Craig234 said:
No. The one you're deaf to. And have missed the point on at least three posts now. Since you don't recognize the pointlessness of this exchange, I will and don't plan to bother replying.
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go ahead dude. type it out. i'm sure we all wanna see the logic.
 
Excluding un-resolvable 'permanent fixture' platforms such as gun control, abortion, religion and the like, Biden is pure establishment, and as much part of the stagnant and self serving political machine as most-any dedicated Democrat or Republican. The 'Beat Trump' directive is little more than a snow fence to hide another presidential pawn-of-the-system.

IF Biden in fact manages to beat Trump, he will have fulfilled his biggest campaign promise (like there really are any others) a couple months before actually assuming the position, and Americans can count on 4 (or 8) years of more partisan bickering, law suits, investigations, and all things distracting from enacting actual policy that would be good for the citizenry; wouldn't want to kill any redundant and divisive campaign arguments now, would they?

Being forced into another partisan choice of the least-of-2-evils has become the new American way insuring the endless flip-flop of commanding parties, and dampening the effect of any meaningful legislation, and most importantly' independent thinking and (attempted) enacting of laws for the good of the community. Honesty, integrity, and free thinking has been removed from politics, and if a candidate like Sanders, (or Nader, or Perot) is doomed to defeat, voting for either viable party candidate is little more than a stamp of approval for more business as usual, and voting for an Independent (and their inevetable defeat), is fuel for more campaign rhetoric that a non-party vote is a backfire that merely elects the person (party) the voter likes least. Rinse and repeat.
 
Re: "Democrats, you do NOT want to nominate Joe Biden"

Craig234 said:
On the 'facts', the 'substance', yes he is. A disaster - to compete with a worse disaster. But we need to put that aside some to look at the political facts. The fact he's getting the turnout Bernie didn't, with no operation and no budget, shows his strength in the election is a lot higher than the facts justify. He can beat trump.
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His numbers go up with people aged 65+ which is attributable to the media blitz that Biden's electable and legacy Obamaism. He could beat Trump, it's possible. But, I don't see it happening. I'll vote for him fully expecting him to lose. Because he's awful. One oligarchy two parties. **** snow-cone or a pissy slushie
 
Craig234 said:
Oh, I don't know.

What's better, torturing your dog to death or shooting it?

Cutting off your foot or your hand?

Slavery or genocide?

"Isn't perfect" is probably one of the more abused phrases in the English language. trump isn't perfect. Who is? So differences don't matter, right?

You're arguing some straw man and the question is, what is your point? Your response has nothing to do with my post.
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So sure, use absurdist examples. I mean whatever floats your boat. It isn't moderates, independents who are strictly progressives that are threatening to cut off their nose to spite their face.
That are the Bernie or Bust folk.
A slow walk win over an all out loss is not the choice between torturing or shooting your dog. That is absurd nonsense, the type of stuff we all heard from Bernie supporters that last time.
 
btthegreat said:
I think 'corporations bad' is pretty vapid and so do voters. That's the problem with Sanders. He's pretty much unable to broaden out that message to anything more compelling. He's basically Johnny One -note, a one trick pony as it were, I realize that you don't get that.
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First, Bernie is not "corporations" bad, or against having corporations at all, as inartfully as some could say he makes is case on that. He's against excessive power and corruption by corruptions and the harm they cause. He wants better corporations, not no corporations. And I think not understanding he's right is pretty vapid. I realize you don't get that.
 
Craig234 said:
If you knew I meant the general, why did you say "Obama isn't likely to even endorse Biden, until he has the nomination wrapped up." Candidates in the general tend to have the nomination wrapped up. My post wasn't a suggestion, just a commentary on voters' views about Obama.
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Why? Because he isn't likely to endorse until then, but you think like magic after that he will become his COS for the general?
Pipe dream at best.
 
Pound4abrown said:
So sure, use absurdist examples. I mean whatever floats your boat. It isn't moderates, independents who are strictly progressives that are threatening to cut off their nose to spite their face.
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They stopped doing that when they got their nominee.

That are the Bernie or Bust folk.
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There are very few Democratic Bernie supporters threatening not to vote for the nominee. You are parroting a lie that's being parroted thousands of times.
 
Pound4abrown said:
Why? Because he isn't likely to endorse until then, but you think like magic after that he will become his COS for the general?
Pipe dream at best.
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Whoosh.

Reading comprehension issues make this pointless. It was spelled out very clearly.
 
Re: "Democrats, you do NOT want to nominate Joe Biden"

Winston said:
His numbers go up with people aged 65+ which is attributable to the media blitz that Biden's electable and legacy Obamaism. He could beat Trump, it's possible. But, I don't see it happening. I'll vote for him fully expecting him to lose. Because he's awful. One oligarchy two parties. **** snow-cone or a pissy slushie
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A couple keys here, are 1. Biden is less bad; 2. trump is a 'known evil', an incumbent exposed for lying, while Biden is now 'change', which is the same force that won the last two presidencies (more, really, the last four). Voters are tending to not like what they see in office and imagine the new candidate to be wonderful. There's a shortage of rose-colored glasses lately about Obama.
 
Helix said:
I doubt that California will need to fake votes to deny Anus P. McPuckerface electoral votes. People there don't like the spray painted scumbag much.
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California joined the communist party so probably will favor Sanders the most.
 
One of the most successful tactics that Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity have used for decades is to say that everybody is equally as corrupt.

It's genius. I just hate seeing other people use it.
 
usaf77 said:
Why exactly would they do that? Trump is strong and decisive while Biden is weak and befuddled. Why would the Russian's want Trump to stay while they are suffering under his sanctions, made worse by their little oil war? Democrat's keep saying the Russians want Trump but they never explain their rational.
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Incompetence, Chaos, Fear, Uncertainty & Doubt in a rival.

Why Putin would want Trump to win in 2020 - CNN
Why the CIA Thinks Russia Wanted Trump to Win
Why Does Russia Want Trump To Be President
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...67065c-6713-11e7-8eb5-cbccc2e7bfbf_story.html
 
CaughtInThe said:
you mean the one where a united Democratic Party will beat Trump and a fractured one won't? That truth?
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That is the truth of the matter, a untied Dem party that pulls in more independents win handily.
 
Craig234 said:
Check out the videos.

Progressives Sound Alarm to Democrats: Biden Is Not the 'Safe' Candidate Against Trump | Common Dreams News
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From the article...

Bernie Sanders is the only candidate whose policies are bold enough to actually keep us safe
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But what if voters reject the bold proposals and Trump is reelected?

If Bernie's bold proposals aren't winning in Democratic primaries, why believe they would be more successful with Independents and Republicans?

Bold proposals won't keep us safe. Getting Trump out of office will help keep us safe. You have to win elections to change anything. That's what the far left doesn't understand and that's why they have so few actual elected representatives.
 
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