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Democratic Debate Discussion Thread

American said:
Bernie was kissing Hillary's ass last night on the emails. He took one for the team. Way to go, Bernie.
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He ****ed up, according to what was being discussed all over the MSM this morning. He practiced what he was going to say and muffed it. He meant to insult her over the emails, not protect her.
 
annata said:
he can't win the black vote because of his zero tolerance policy while mayor of Baltimore
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He was pandering like hell last night trying to get backs to vote for him. Blacks won't vote for the GOP candidate, so if O'Malley was the candidate (which he won't be), they'd vote for him.
 
tres borrachos said:
He was pandering like hell last night trying to get backs to vote for him. Blacks won't vote for the GOP candidate, so if O'Malley was the candidate (which he won't be), they'd vote for him.
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yes they would, but they won't vote for him in the primary. O'Malley is interesting with his "metrics governing" - he doesn't just appoint people
he has hands on meetings each week and measures (metrics) progress -and makes executive adjustments..

But he absolutely is poison to blacks in the primary - I say this with firsthand knowledge, and I say it without prejudice.
it is what it is kina thing
 
Rentoc said:
Like I said in my post. That was a pep rally for the Dems.
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Yup. It was the same old, same old. "Rich people are awful! Wall Street is bad! Black lives matter! Iraq was a disaster and a mistake! Republicans are big old meanies and obstructionists! Guns are bad! Climate change is going to destroy the planet!"

It would have been nice to have a real debate about serious issues, like foreign policy and all that.
 
tres borrachos said:
He ****ed up, according to what was being discussed all over the MSM this morning. He practiced what he was going to say and muffed it. He meant to insult her over the emails, not protect her.
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I'm not sure how that could have been a muffed delivery... how could that statement be an accident?

Was it kind of like this?

 
jmotivator said:
I'm not sure how that could have been a muffed delivery... how could that statement be an accident?

Was it kind of like this?

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I can't watch YouTube on this computer.

I'm just repeating what experts on MSNBC and CNN said this morning.
 
tres borrachos said:
Yup. It was the same old, same old. "Rich people are awful! Wall Street is bad! Black lives matter! Iraq was a disaster and a mistake! Republicans are big old meanies and obstructionists! Guns are bad! Climate change is going to destroy the planet!"

It would have been nice to have a real debate about serious issues, like foreign policy and all that.
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More over, I don't see this moving the needle in the long run for any candidate. All the Bernie thralls think Bernie crushed it, all the Hillary thralls think Hillary was the clear winner.

I think the biggest weakness that nobody exploited with Bernie is that, even setting aside debate on the meat of his ideology, he is such a crude, trollish scold that the chances of him getting any of his promises through congress is next to zero. A candidate who runs on fiscal policy has to accept that he has little control over legislation. Bernie's promises require a different culture than the one Bernie is living in or a dictatorship where the desires of the population aren't a concern.
 
jmotivator said:
More over, I don't see this moving the needle in the long run for any candidate. All the Bernie thralls think Bernie crushed it, all the Hillary thralls think Hillary was the clear winner.

I think the biggest weakness that nobody exploited with Bernie is that, even setting aside debate on the meat of his ideology, he is such a crude, trollish scold that the chances of him getting any of his promises through congress is next to zero. A candidate who runs on fiscal policy has to accept that he has little control over legislation. Bernie's promises require a different culture than the one Bernie is living in or a dictatorship where the desires of the population aren't a concern.
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I plan to vote for neither Bernie nor Hillary, and I think there's no question that Hillary won last night, in spite of Cooper outing her as a dishonest flip flopper and her lack of substance. If Bernie was a Republican at a debate the Bernie lovers would be calling him an angry white man today, because that's how he came across last night.
 
jmotivator said:
I'm not sure how that could have been a muffed delivery... how could that statement be an accident?

Was it kind of like this?

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That was funny.
Bernie can't accurately communicate a thought that doesn't cost trillions of dollars.
 
tres borrachos said:
I can't watch YouTube on this computer.

I'm just repeating what experts on MSNBC and CNN said this morning.
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Have you seen the movie "Dumb and Dumber"? The clip is Jim Carey's "Mary... I desperately want to make love to a school boy" quote.
 
bubbabgone said:
That was funny.
Bernie can't accurately communicate a thought that doesn't cost trillions of dollars.
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Bernie didn't do himself any favors last night. He needs to have a much better 2nd debate in order to sustain his numbers. He did not look Presidential last night. His voice and his anger will grate on moderates. Can you imagine him debating someone like Rubio if they end up as the candidates? Talk about Obama making McCain look old and cranky.
 
tres borrachos said:
I plan to vote for neither Bernie nor Hillary, and I think there's no question that Hillary won last night, in spite of Cooper outing her as a dishonest flip flopper and her lack of substance. If Bernie was a Republican at a debate the Bernie lovers would be calling him an angry white man today, because that's how he came across last night.
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Well, that's my point. I don't think last night changed any opinions.

Personally the only person on that stage who I could potentially vote for is Jim Webb and that hasn't changed.
 
Zyphlin said:
You don't even need to look at the future. Simply compare the first GOP debate to the second. There's basically no comparison in terms of the amount of substantive discussion compared to mudslinging. Despite a mass of people on stage in the first debate, it was very orderly with comparably little amounts of attack focused questions or comments by candidates and was instead focused on their views on the issues and the country. One need only look at the first debate and the second to see the difference a moderator attempting to turn it into the Jerry Springer show has on the situation.
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There were plenty of questions about one or another candidates "flip flops" and whether another candidates position was "weak" or "strong". Candidates were also asked about their criticisms of other candidates positions. The difference was in the responses, not the questions.

The republicans should take some personal responsibility for how they responded to questions and what they've said while campaigning
 
sangha said:
I don't have any #'s, but some do require first year students to live on campus.
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That's the "let me suck a bit more out of you before you crash, burn, and drop out" theory. And many require 2 years on campus.
 
Zyphlin said:
Gotta love it....

Step one: Have Republicans on for a debate. Make almost every "question" in the first hour to two hours be clear attempts to bait them into personal mudslinging and rarely substantive in nature.

Step two: Have Democrats on for a debate. Make most "questions" be an attempt to deal with substantive issues, be it the candidates thoughts on it or the candidates thoughts on another candidates policy stance

Step three: Talk about how the Democratic debate was "class" and "substantive" and the GOP one wasn't. Act as if that was entirely due to the candidates and their ability and focus as opposed to a clear attempt by moderation to steer and direct each debate in that fashion.

Disgusting.
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Of course, the GOP could have simply dealt with it by not going along with the plan. Like when they asked Fiorina about Trumps looks comment, she could have said, "no one cares about that, do you have any real questions, Jake?"
 
tres borrachos said:
What's pathetic is a lot of women will vote for her for that very reason.
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To be fair, women have a different viewpoint on things, and probably should have a shot at representation comparable to their population. Which is not to say it should be Hillary. But there is something to saying young vs old, black vs white, male vs female should be represented in our power structure.
 
jonny5 said:
To be fair, women have a different viewpoint on things, and probably should have a shot at representation comparable to their population. Which is not to say it should be Hillary. But there is something to saying young vs old, black vs white, male vs female should be represented in our power structure.
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You do realize that you are telling a woman what women think, right?
 
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