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Democratic Debate Discussion Thread

IMO, Hillary Clinton strengthened her front-runner status. She was qualitatively better than the rest of her rivals, coming across as experienced, pragmatic, seasoned, and substantive. This performance will lead more Democrats to support her not because she has the strongest credentials among her rivals, but also out of enthusiasm. Beyond the Democratic Party, it will likely lead to her improving her polling numbers in her head-to-head matchups with possible Republican nominees. In other words, she will have broadened her base of support.
 
David_N said:
Looks like a lot is pointing to sanders being the winner.
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Interestingly enough only 45% of registered Democrats knew there was a debate last night and President Obama is on record through Josh Earnest that he was going to watch the Cubs.

Can there be a winner?

If a tree falls in the woods...
 
Fiddytree said:
Big takeaways from CNN and other media outlets in reaction to this debate in comparison with the GOP: "Substance" "Class" and "Unlike GOP debate."

CNN's disastrous and intentional tanking of the previous debate is being quickly covered up, ignored, and unknown.
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Gotta love it....

Step one: Have Republicans on for a debate. Make almost every "question" in the first hour to two hours be clear attempts to bait them into personal mudslinging and rarely substantive in nature.

Step two: Have Democrats on for a debate. Make most "questions" be an attempt to deal with substantive issues, be it the candidates thoughts on it or the candidates thoughts on another candidates policy stance

Step three: Talk about how the Democratic debate was "class" and "substantive" and the GOP one wasn't. Act as if that was entirely due to the candidates and their ability and focus as opposed to a clear attempt by moderation to steer and direct each debate in that fashion.

Disgusting.
 
Hillary won, hands down, and it wasn't even close. Which is sad, because she sucked too. She did a terrible job of defending her flip flopping when Cooper called her out. She kept saying she had plans but she never said what her plans were. She cackles and it's unappealing. And now everyone in America had to hear about her "mom" as we poor souls in NH have had to do for months. Can she be pandering any more to women? If I was a woman who would vote for anyone up on that stage last night (I'm not), I would be genuinely offended.

Bernie was sincere, but all he did was bitch, toss out crazy ideas, and look generally angry and un-Presidential.
O'Malley ended really strong but by that time it was too late.
Webb was a non-entity.
Chafee looked nuts, and for doG's sake, I was embarrassed for him when he tried to explain away the Glass-Steagall vote. I wanted him to just shrink away.

Anderson Cooper did one of the best debate moderator performances I've ever seen. He asked phenomenal follow up questions, pulled them back in, made them stay on topic, and really did a great job.

Monet of the night - when Hilary said she went down to Wall Street in 2007 and told them to "Cut it out! Stop foreclosing on those houses!". I laughed so hard I almost wet my pants. I've heard bull**** out of her lying mouth, but that was the worst.
 
Chomsky said:
Well, the next two GOP debates are on CNBC & Fox, so we'll see how your theory goes.
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You don't even need to look at the future. Simply compare the first GOP debate to the second. There's basically no comparison in terms of the amount of substantive discussion compared to mudslinging. Despite a mass of people on stage in the first debate, it was very orderly with comparably little amounts of attack focused questions or comments by candidates and was instead focused on their views on the issues and the country. One need only look at the first debate and the second to see the difference a moderator attempting to turn it into the Jerry Springer show has on the situation.
 
I heard that Trump won the debate last night by adding 40,000 new followers on his Twitter account. :lamo
 
tres borrachos said:
Hillary won, hands down, and it wasn't even close. Which is sad, because she sucked too. She did a terrible job of defending her flip flopping when Cooper called her out. She kept saying she had plans but she never said what her plans were. She cackles and it's unappealing. And now everyone in America had to hear about her "mom" as we poor souls in NH have had to do for months. Can she be pandering any more to women? If I was a woman who would vote for anyone up on that stage last night (I'm not), I would be genuinely offended.

Bernie was sincere, but all he did was bitch, toss out crazy ideas, and look generally angry and un-Presidential.
O'Malley ended really strong but by that time it was too late.
Webb was a non-entity.
Chafee looked nuts, and for doG's sake, I was embarrassed for him when he tried to explain away the Glass-Steagall vote. I wanted him to just shrink away.

Anderson Cooper did one of the best debate moderator performances I've ever seen. He asked phenomenal follow up questions, pulled them back in, made them stay on topic, and really did a great job.

Monet of the night - when Hilary said she went down to Wall Street in 2007 and told them to "Cut it out! Stop foreclosing on those houses!". I laughed so hard I almost wet my pants. I've heard bull**** out of her lying mouth, but that was the worst.
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"Hillary Clinton: I have a vagina, vote for me."
 
Zyphlin said:
Gotta love it....

Step one: Have Republicans on for a debate. Make almost every "question" in the first hour to two hours be clear attempts to bait them into personal mudslinging and rarely substantive in nature.

Step two: Have Democrats on for a debate. Make most "questions" be an attempt to deal with substantive issues, be it the candidates thoughts on it or the candidates thoughts on another candidates policy stance

Step three: Talk about how the Democratic debate was "class" and "substantive" and the GOP one wasn't. Act as if that was entirely due to the candidates and their ability and focus as opposed to a clear attempt by moderation to steer and direct each debate in that fashion.

Disgusting.
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How much of this rest right on Trump's shoulders? He was caustic even before the Republican debates started. So everyone anticipated mud slinging and the debate team fed right into that with that ridiculous question about how loyal you were to the party.
 
Oh, and one more thing. Sheryl Crow's rendition of the National Anthem was one of the worst I ever heard.
 
DDD said:
Okay,

Hillary wins of course. What is there to debate about?
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Jim Webb has more honor and integrity in the tip of one of his pinkies than Hillary Clinton. And I wouldn't vote for him.
 
JumpinJack said:
As an outsider, I think the Democrats have bent over backwards trying to work with the Republicans.
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You have GOT to be kidding.

The Republicans have not been ashamed to state outright that their main mission was to block Obama. The ACA had almost 200 Republican amendments, in return for which not one Republican voted for it.
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And that's a good thing. You own it.
 
American said:
Jim Webb has more honor and integrity in the tip of one of his pinkies than Hillary Clinton. And I wouldn't vote for him.
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Do not care what Jim Webb has and whether you would vote for Jim or not. What matters is that people vote for Hillary and she wins.
 
Chomsky said:
Yes, he did well by waiting for this first debate to pass.

After Mrs. Clinton's performance, I'm not sure he should be jumping in - I dunno.
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Hillary invoked Obama's name over and over and over again. I can't stand her but it shows her skills as a politician. She was pre-emptively tying herself to Obama so that Biden can't, in the event he gets in.
 
poweRob said:
O'Malley was the strongest spark of the debate. I'd like to see him some more. And Webb if he can get better face time I think would do well.
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O'Malley's closing remarks were brilliant. He was likeable, strong, articulate and very Presidential. Unfortunately for him, I think it was a little too late. He was widely ignored last night. I really like both him and Webb but I think last night was bad for both of them.
 
DDD said:
Do not care what Jim Webb has and whether you would vote for Jim or not. What matters is that people vote for Hillary and she wins.
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Even if she's a lying, corrupt, inept piece of ****.
 
Bernie was kissing Hillary's ass last night on the emails. He took one for the team. Way to go, Bernie.
 
Well ... there's little doubt that Hillary did the best in that weak field but there's also little doubt that she wasn't seriously challenged by anyone on that stage.

The only time the subject of her mails came up she said she didn't want to talk about it so she didn't and that was that. Not many people could get away with that.

Of course, having Bernie said that people are tired of hearing about her damn emails gave her a nice little boost too.

But the curious thing is that Bernie's campaign afterward said he wasn't trying to minimize the email problem despite how it sounded when he said it.

So add that to McCarthy's statement and you have 2 things that Hillary could drag out when she needs to despite the pushback from both of them.
 
I watched the Debate and was hoping Sen. Webb would do something to get him some positive attention. I don't really think he did. Senator Chaffee should drop out of the race as soon as possible, he looked like and old man who was scared to me. Governor O'Malley reminded me of a younger brother who was always saying "look at me" and trying to get a seat at the big kids table. He should also be ticked off about the background because he looked like an elf in a lot of the shots on my TV. I think both Secretary Clinton and Senator Sanders made it clear that they are the two main candidates in the Democratic Party this year and Mrs. Clinton has the advantage of both money and clout. She has a national machine and let's be real, the party elite are mostly behind her.

The one big thing I took from the debate overall, other than it was really a pep rally for the party, was confirmation that if a Democrat wins the Presidential Election AND if they regain control of Congress, we are going to see a new wave of socialistic programs paid for by those who are deemed to be "too rich". Every one of those people on the stage last night with the possible exception of Mr. Webb, were in unison in their chant for the "rich to pay more". The Democrats have learned from our current President that class warfare works and Hillary is working hard to get out the woman vote so they can all finally see a woman as President.
 
tres borrachos said:
Hillary invoked Obama's name over and over and over again. I can't stand her but it shows her skills as a politician. She was pre-emptively tying herself to Obama so that Biden can't, in the event he gets in.
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I don't think he gets in now. I don't trust her or believe in her, but she did well last night from a Dem's point of view.
 
tres borrachos said:
O'Malley's closing remarks were brilliant. He was likeable, strong, articulate and very Presidential. Unfortunately for him, I think it was a little too late. He was widely ignored last night. I really like both him and Webb but I think last night was bad for both of them.
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he can't win the black vote because of his zero tolerance policy while mayor of Baltimore
 
Rentoc said:
I don't think he gets in now. I don't trust her or believe in her, but she did well last night from a Dem's point of view.
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Yes.
But she could have farted loudly and urped on herself and still gotten a standing O from that crowd.
 
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