Democratic Debate Discussion Thread

[poweRob]

With all respect of the first debate sucking, this one was pretty damn good.

So why shouldn't the takeaway be positive?

If the next one sucks, this one will become inconsequential in memory.

Hopefully chafee will bow out by then and thin the stage for more responses from the remaining.

 

[poweRob]

He's not passionate in a way like Sanders is, the problem with Webb IMO is that he's so calm and cool and collected that he doesn't stand out in a way that resonates with the really engaged activists types who go to primaries.

you can almost hear him say "Bueller, Bueller? Bueller? "

if he wants a prayer of winning he'll need to put some passion in his statements, may wildly gesticulate like Bernie does.

He started out pretty passionate but I think he got burnt out on being marginalized and he let it get to him and redirected his passions.

 

[betuadollar]

Right there in the article I linked:

$47 billion dollars each year

Covers 67% of the college tuition and the states would foot the rest. As they already do now being that they are state colleges.

Not buying those numbers. State tuition, room and board, are well over 20,000 in many states now. 47 bil I would think is extremely conservative. It'd just be another monstrosity that taxpayers are paying for. And many of them have no children in college.

 

[Chomsky]

CNN analysts are positing Mrs. Clinton's reasonably strong performance may have frozen VP Biden out - I think their argument may have merit.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

He's a good guy. I don't fully agree with him but he is substantive and a good man.

I live in an area of the country where people like Webb are the democratic party. in Mason County Washington where I live it's a rural democratic majority area, but the democrats there are to the right of most democrats in the country. and Webb falls in that uncomfortable pocket of being to the left of republicans and to the right of the democratic primary voter. a bad place to be for party nomination.

that said, he's competent and would make a great president.

 

[anatta]

at the end of the day it's going to be Clinton - SNAFUS and all..every other line from her is "first woman president"
That's her base -and too many voters go along with :"well we had the first black, now we need to do the woman"

Then in the general, the Democratic coalition of black and Hispanic wins the election.
I hate demographics politics ( E Pluribus Unum and all that). But it is what it is..

At least we have the illusion one every 4 years that any of these policy discussions matter..

 

[Chomsky]

Hopefully chafee will bow out by then and thin the stage for more responses from the remaining.

I think we should cut to the chase, and just let Hillary & Bernie have-at-it for 3 hrs straight!

 

[EMNofSeattle]

He started out pretty passionate but I think he got burnt out on being marginalized and he let it get to him and redirected his passions.

the other thing I noticed, I don't think Anderson or the other candidates (or the audience even) took him seriously. he had to basically take time and force the mods to acknoweldge him. I loved it when he called out Anderson "you've let everyone go over their time" that is gold. because it's true.

 

[JumpinJack]

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I guess Joe won't get in on time.

Kind of boring, but that's because it really was a debate on the issues instead of a road show. I don't see any of those others as her possible V.P., though.

Clinton did great. I've seen her in debates before, so no surprises there. She's good at debating. Sanders is great at debating. Who knew? Chafee seemed uneasy. Webb did fine. I didn't even know that last man (what's his name?) was running.

 

[poweRob]

Not buying those numbers. State tuition, room and board, are well over 20,000 in many states now. 47 bil I would think is extremely conservative. It'd just be another monstrosity that taxpayers are paying for. And many of them have no children in college.

It covers tuition. Not room and board or books.

 

[poweRob]

I live in an area of the country where people like Webb are the democratic party. in Mason County Washington where I live it's a rural democratic majority area, but the democrats there are to the right of most democrats in the country. and Webb falls in that uncomfortable pocket of being to the left of republicans and to the right of the democratic primary voter. a bad place to be for party nomination.

that said, he's competent and would make a great president.

I think he'd make a fine and good leader. Just off on some positions for me but not horribly far off.

 

[poweRob]

I think we should cut to the chase, and just let Hillary & Bernie have-at-it for 3 hrs straight!

O'Malley was the strongest spark of the debate. I'd like to see him some more. And Webb if he can get better face time I think would do well.

 

[JumpinJack]

at the end of the day it's going to be Clinton - SNAFUS and all..every other line from her is "first woman president"
That's her base -and too many voters go along with :"well we had the first black, now we need to do the woman"

Then in the general, the Democratic coalition of black and Hispanic wins the election.
I hate demographics politics ( E Pluribus Unum and all that). But it is what it is..

At least we have the illusion one every 4 years that any of these policy discussions matter..

The platforms of the parties have their stances on issues, so a lot of people vote for the party platform, I think. Beyond that, it's the person's general persona, for the Democrats. Leadership and all that. For the Republicans, I'm not sure they care. They vote Republican, whoever is running, I believe.

 

[poweRob]

the other thing I noticed, I don't think Anderson or the other candidates (or the audience even) took him seriously. he had to basically take time and force the mods to acknoweldge him. I loved it when he called out Anderson "you've let everyone go over their time" that is gold. because it's true.

It was true. ****ing moderators think that their job is to marginalize candidates on behalf of the public. It's the public's job to marginalize them... not theirs. I love the debates but I hate that part about it. Moderators jump in acting like they are a God or something.

 

[betuadollar]

It covers tuition. Not room and board or books.

Well I think we should assume that most require room and board. Which in NY translates to about 13,000. Four years of college that's still 60k in loans at 7% or better, because congress has privatized them.

 

[poweRob]

Kind of boring, but that's because it really was a debate on the issues instead of a road show. I don't see any of those others as her possible V.P., though.

Clinton did great. I've seen her in debates before, so no surprises there. She's good at debating. Sanders is great at debating. Who knew? Chafee seemed uneasy. Webb did fine. I didn't even know that last man (what's his name?) was running.

Martin O'Malley. Former governor of Maryland.

 

[David_N]

Well I think we should assume that most require room and board. Which in NY translates to about 13,000. Four years of college that's still 60k in loans at 7% or better, because congress has privatized them.

Wait, wait, which public colleges require students to have room and board there?

 

[dimensionallava]

at the end of the day it's going to be Clinton - SNAFUS and all..every other line from her is "first woman president"
That's her base -and too many voters go along with :"well we had the first black, now we need to do the woman"

we could have the first jew?

 

[poweRob]

Well I think we should assume that most require room and board. Which in NY translates to about 13,000. Four years of college that's still 60k in loans at 7% or better, because congress has privatized them.

Room and board aren't covered by this. That's still on the student.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Well I think we should assume that most require room and board. Which in NY translates to about 13,000. Four years of college that's still 60k in loans at 7% or better, because congress has privatized them.

very few truly require room and board, 13K is doable working a regular job if tuition is covered.

I paid 6,250 dollars for living in my own place this past year, you can find deals if you look .

 

[betuadollar]

Wait, wait, which public colleges require students to have room and board there?

Virtually all of them because it's rare that they are local enough to allow them to remain at home.

 

[anatta]

The platforms of the parties have their stances on issues, so a lot of people vote for the party platform, I think. Beyond that, it's the person's general persona, for the Democrats. Leadership and all that. For the Republicans, I'm not sure they care. They vote Republican, whoever is running, I believe.

hey look. I was a Democrat for most of my life, and Democrats are every bit as partisan as Republicans..
Please don't try to sell me on some noblesse oblige where by the Dems look for a leader and the Republicans do not.

Partisans are craven power junkies - every one of them

 

[David_N]

Virtually all of them because it's rare that they are local enough to allow them to remain at home.

:lamo

 

[anatta]

we could have the first jew?

can we get a jewish woman and kill 2 birds with one stone?

 

[dimensionallava]

can we get a jewish woman and kill 2 birds with one stone?

jewish lesbian chinese woman