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Climategate scientists DID collude with government officials...

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Here's more evidence the left can make excuses for....

Climategate scientists DID collude with government officials to hide research that didn't fit their apocalyptic global warming

* 5,000 leaked emails reveal scientists deleted evidence that cast doubt on claims climate change was man-made
* Experts were under orders from US and UK officials to come up with a 'strong message'
* Critics claim: 'The stink of intellectual corruption is overpowering'
* Scientist asks, 'What if they find that climate change is a natural fluctuation? They'll kill us all'

Second leak of climate emails: Political giants weigh in on bias, scientists bowing to financial pressure from sponsors | Mail Online
 
I can't tell, is the article claiming the scientist manipulated data to manufacture a warming trend or hide it?
 
They're just recycling some leftovers from the original theft. There's nothing new here.
 
They're just recycling some leftovers from the original theft. There's nothing new here.

Of course not... I guess everyone should just pretend this thread doesn't exist and invest in some carbon credits or something.
 
Of course not... I guess everyone should just pretend this thread doesn't exist and invest in some carbon credits or something.

How come you linked the Daily Mail and not the emails themselves? Are you expecting I should just take their word for it?
 
The Daily Wail carries added fascist denialism kudos. Mucho credibilty for true believers.
 
The Daily Wail carries added fascist denialism kudos. Mucho credibilty for true believers.

I believe the appropriate nickname is Daily Fail.

These skeptics sure put a lot of faith into a tabloid. They read individual sentences here and there and just accept the Daily Mail's word that it "paints a picture" of whatever.
 
Whoa, 5000 emails implicate almost every climate scientist in the world?

Each email implicates like 150 people. Complete with notarized confessions. I read it on the bathroom stall so it must be true.
 
How lovely for someone who professes to want media objectivity and clean journalism to cite the Daily Mail.
 
I vote Climate change gets moved to the conspiracy theory forums.
 
A lot of people don't seem to realize how many assumptions they're accepting when they read an article like this. Random sentences out of context can be interpreted in many, many different ways. I'm going to collect the lines that Daily Mail has clipped out and put my own "interpretation" on them to demonstrate. IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT I AM IN NO WAY CLAIMING MY INTERPRETATION TO BE ACCURATE. I HAVE NOT SEEN A LINK TO THE FULL SET OF THESE NEW LEAKS SO I CANNOT POSSIBLY CLAIM TO BE DEFINITIVE ON THE ACTUAL CONTEXT. (unlike the Daily Mail, who is making such a claim)

What I'll do is add a hypothetical sentence or two that fits the context and wildly changes the meaning.

One message appeared to show a member of Defra staff telling colleagues working on climate science to give the government a ‘strong message'
They give us two words here so I have nothing to go on.
"This is looking more and more like the problem is more serious than we thought. We need to give the government a strong message that something needs to be done, and sooner is better."

‘Humphrey’, ‘I cannot overstate the HUGE amount of political interest in the project as a message that the government can give on climate change to help them tell their story.
Next hypothetical sentence: "If we can get the public to understand the truth, we'll get more support behind this very important issue and this can drive real progress."

'They want their story to be a very strong one and don’t want to be made to look foolish.’
Hypothetical preceding sentence: "The skeptic backers are pushing more false information on global temperatures, and are now claiming NASA support that isn't there. They want their story..."

'Any work we have done in the past is done on the back of the research grants we get – and has to be well hidden.

Next sentence: "That is a direct quote from Richard Lindzen. He's trying to hide his oil funding. The fact that he calls himself a scientist is insulting."

'I’ve discussed this with the main funder (U.S. Dept of Energy) in the past and they are happy about not releasing the original station data.'

Next sentence: "That data is already publicly available on file with the NWS so our releasing it would be redundant." (Deuce note: this is true. It's hilarious how many skeptics think some university in the UK had the only copy of US temperature station data)

'I’ve been told that Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change is above national Freedom of Information Acts.

Rather than trying to add context, I'll point out that this might actually just be true. Why would a French law apply to a body that is not France? I don't know how the international agreements on these things go.

'One way to cover yourself and all those working in AR5 would be to delete all emails at the end of the process.'

"That way, you don't have to waste countless hours responding to malicious and repetitive FIA requests and only respond to the ones that appear genuine."

'The figure you sent is very deceptive.'
(talking to a climate skeptic)

'I also think the science is being manipulated to put a political spin on it which for all our sakes might not be too clever in the long run,'

"These skeptics [manipulating the science] are putting our entire species at risk for their own personal profit!"

'The trick may be to decide on the main message and use that to guide what’s included and what is left out.'

"That way, we don't overwhelm the policy makers with minutia and can keep this upcoming presentation within their attention span."

'What if climate change turns out to be a natural fluctuation? They'll kill us all'

Orlowski says, 'That won't be necessary.'

"We know this isn't a natural fluctuation."



So, how come you skeptics are jumping to the interpretation that Daily Mail makes and not mine? It's not like just reading this article can prove it to you either way. Wouldn't you prefer investigation, or perhaps reading the full email set yourself?
 
It's Climate Gate 2 and has some very insightful stuff in it. But in this forum, on DP, don't expect half the people that spend every waking moment posting about AGW to read any of what was released. It's against their religious beliefs to learn the Truth. Their all ready told how to think and why.
 
It's Climate Gate 2 and has some very insightful stuff in it. But in this forum, on DP, don't expect half the people that spend every waking moment posting about AGW to read any of what was released. It's against their religious beliefs to learn the Truth. Their all ready told how to think and why.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess you haven't read them either.

If you have, please post the link. Because the only thing I have to go on so far is the word of a tabloid.
 
I have not looked at them yet, nor do I think I will. I have better things to do with my time.. but supposedly this is a link to the emails attained from a potholer54 video touching on the subject.

Climategate 2 FOIA 2011 Searchable Database | Browse 2011 Emails

edit: I opened up about 3 of them and then went to the last page, and there are just over 5300 emails listed there so I imagine that is the latest batch in its entirety.
 
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I have not looked at them yet, nor do I think I will. I have better things to do with my time.. but supposedly this is a link to the emails attained from a potholer54 video touching on the subject.

Climategate 2 FOIA 2011 Searchable Database | Browse 2011 Emails

Thanks! Now maybe I can find the Daily Mail's quotes and see what's really going on.

edit: I'm not sure their search feature works right. Trying a few key phrases from the Daily Mail page doesn't seem to find anything.
 
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Challenge for skeptics:

Find an email that you think is particularly damning, and post the entire email and any responses to it. Make sure you aren't leaving parts out, because I'm going to check on you.
 
Challenge for skeptics:

Find an email that you think is particularly damning, and post the entire email and any responses to it. Make sure you aren't leaving parts out, because I'm going to check on you.

I'd love to see this. I hope Grim17, Oscar or MrVicchio take you up on your offer. :popcorn2:
 
Challenge for skeptics:

Find an email that you think is particularly damning, and post the entire email and any responses to it. Make sure you aren't leaving parts out, because I'm going to check on you.

Yay! That sounds fun.
 
Challenge for skeptics:

Find an email that you think is particularly damning, and post the entire email and any responses to it. Make sure you aren't leaving parts out, because I'm going to check on you.

Done and done

Page 7. Middle paragraph. I do not believe the word `representativity`
is really an attractive English word ... perhaps the authors could
rephrase that sentence?
 
Done and done

Page 7. Middle paragraph. I do not believe the word `representativity`
is really an attractive English word ... perhaps the authors could
rephrase that sentence?

Climate scientists caught fabricating words.
 
It's Climate Gate 2 and has some very insightful stuff in it. But in this forum, on DP, don't expect half the people that spend every waking moment posting about AGW to read any of what was released. It's against their religious beliefs to learn the Truth. Their all ready told how to think and why.

climate science is not a religion there is a good amount of evidence to support carbon being a problem. There are many ways of dealing with that carbon even libertairan ways live using special microbes to absorb the carbon.
 
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