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Climategate scientists DID collude with government officials...

matsuiny2004 said:
climate science is not a religion there is a good amount of evidence to support carbon being a problem. There are many ways of dealing with that carbon even libertairan ways live using special microbes to absorb the carbon.
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Carbon is a problem? It's what plants BREATHE.
 
MrVicchio said:
Carbon is a problem? It's what plants BREATHE.
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And?
Fertilizer helps plants grow too, doesn't mean that if I fill your house up with **** you ain't gonna have problems.
They also need sun. Are you going to argue that you can't get too much sun and that skin cancer doesn't exist because plants use it?
 
MrVicchio said:
Carbon is a problem? It's what plants BREATHE.
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Yes, but it all about how much is being breathed. You are right some carbon is a good thing and is completely natural. The problem is scientist are detecting much higher amounts of carbon than there should be in the atmosphere which up the temperature. Volcanoes do this ever mililions and millions of years or so and if they did it soon we would at least need to find a new planet or a way to adapt. An extreme example of what can happen with too much carbon in the atmosphere is earth could turn into venus. That is an extreme example and would take a very long time, but not impossible. One thing carbon is doing right now is causing glaciers to melt. This matters due to them maintaining our current earths temperature which is good for human survival.
 
So any of you "OMG CARBON DIOXIDE LEVELS ARE RISING" folks even know how much it's risen, yearly for say the last 60 years?

Hmm?

About 1.3ppm

Yeah, shocking isn't it? When put into perspective.

Do you know what the CO2 PPM is believed to have been several million years ago? Over 3000ppm, some estimates as high as 6000ppm.

“Research has shown that elevated carbon dioxide levels result in higher productivity, faster photosynthetic and growth rates, and greater rates of carbohydrate synthesis,” she says. “My work involves measuring how modern ginko trees react to Cretaceous-like atmospheres, and how the higher levels of oxygen and carbon dioxide affect the leaves’ nutritive value and digestibility. We’re also comparing these experimental ginko leaves with fossilized ginko leaves from the Cretaceous period to help verify our work.”
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News Release: A Lot of Hot Air: How the Dinosaurs Grew So Monstrous

For a little perspective, the Earth THRIVED life wise, when there was MORE CO2. But don't let that stop you from demanding we cut back on CO2.
 
MrVicchio said:
So any of you "OMG CARBON DIOXIDE LEVELS ARE RISING" folks even know how much it's risen, yearly for say the last 60 years?

Hmm?

About 1.3ppm

Yeah, shocking isn't it? When put into perspective.

Do you know what the CO2 PPM is believed to have been several million years ago? Over 3000ppm, some estimates as high as 6000ppm.

News Release: A Lot of Hot Air: How the Dinosaurs Grew So Monstrous

For a little perspective, the Earth THRIVED life wise, when there was MORE CO2. But don't let that stop you from demanding we cut back on CO2.
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So, to summarize your argument:

CO2 has been higher before, therefore higher CO2 is fine for us.

Is that an accurate representation of your argument that is not apparently related to emails sent by CRU scientists? I want to make sure before I respond because I wouldn't want to attack a straw man. If not, please clarify so I can respond. This is a debate forum, after all, so presumably you're not just hurling your opinion out there without expectation of response.
 
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MrVicchio said:
So any of you "OMG CARBON DIOXIDE LEVELS ARE RISING" folks even know how much it's risen, yearly for say the last 60 years?

Hmm?

About 1.3ppm

Yeah, shocking isn't it? When put into perspective.

Do you know what the CO2 PPM is believed to have been several million years ago? Over 3000ppm, some estimates as high as 6000ppm.

News Release: A Lot of Hot Air: How the Dinosaurs Grew So Monstrous

For a little perspective, the Earth THRIVED life wise, when there was MORE CO2. But don't let that stop you from demanding we cut back on CO2.
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repeat of what I said before

Yes, but it all about how much is being breathed. You are right some carbon is a good thing and is completely natural. The problem is scientist are detecting much higher amounts of carbon than there should be in the atmosphere which up the temperature. Volcanoes do this ever mililions and millions of years or so and if they did it soon we would at least need to find a new planet or a way to adapt. An extreme example of what can happen with too much carbon in the atmosphere is earth could turn into venus. That is an extreme example and would take a very long time, but not impossible. One thing carbon is doing right now is causing glaciers to melt. This matters due to them maintaining our current earths temperature which is good for human survival.
 
matsuiny2004 said:
repeat of what I said before

Yes, but it all about how much is being breathed. You are right some carbon is a good thing and is completely natural. The problem is scientist are detecting much higher amounts of carbon than there should be in the atmosphere which up the temperature. Volcanoes do this ever mililions and millions of years or so and if they did it soon we would at least need to find a new planet or a way to adapt. An extreme example of what can happen with too much carbon in the atmosphere is earth could turn into venus. That is an extreme example and would take a very long time, but not impossible. One thing carbon is doing right now is causing glaciers to melt. This matters due to them maintaining our current earths temperature which is good for human survival.
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No, it's not heating the earth up, climate changes, end of story.

Focusing on local pollution sources, toxic waste and fining mroe efficient means of modern life (travel, electrical generation etc... etc... ) Can and should be the focus of our energy, but that doesn't give anyone political power or financial gain.
 
MrVicchio said:
No, it's not heating the earth up, climate changes, end of story.

Focusing on local pollution sources, toxic waste and fining mroe efficient means of modern life (travel, electrical generation etc... etc... ) Can and should be the focus of our energy, but that doesn't give anyone political power or financial gain.
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Yes it is, it's a problem, end of story.

I'd write more but you haven't responded to post #42.
 
What the OP proves is the so called science behind global warming hypothesis is agenda driven. Real scientist have no dog in the fight, they seek the truth. These warmer so called scientist believe in global warming and try to prove it is real, their minds were made up before they ever really looked at the evidence. They have corrupted the very meaning of what true science is. The term quack comes to mind.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
What the OP proves is the so called science behind global warming hypothesis is agenda driven. Real scientist have no dog in the fight, they seek the truth. These warmer so called scientist believe in global warming and try to prove it is real, their minds were made up before they ever really looked at the evidence. They have corrupted the very meaning of what true science is. The term quack comes to mind.
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It is already agreed science regardless of if you believe in global warming or not that carbon changes the earth temperature. Less carbon means colder temperatures more carbon means warmer temperatures. Venus is an extreme example of high amounts of carbon, mars is what happens when you have no carbon or barely any carbon.
 
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MrVicchio said:
No, it's not heating the earth up, climate changes, end of story.

Focusing on local pollution sources, toxic waste and fining mroe efficient means of modern life (travel, electrical generation etc... etc... ) Can and should be the focus of our energy, but that doesn't give anyone political power or financial gain.
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How does climate change? It changes with the loss or increase of carbon.

I am not advocating a carbon tax and yes renewable energy could be used in the short term, but it is not enough. I am talking more geoengineering or creating microbes that can eat the carbon and turn it into renewable fuels.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2008/06/07/a-bug-to-save-the-planet.html
 
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matsuiny2004 said:
It is already agreed science regardless of if you believe in global warming or not that carbon changes the earth temperature. Less carbon means colder temperatures more carbon means warmer temperatures. Venus is an extreme example of high amounts of carbon, mars is what happens when you have no carbon or barely any carbon.
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Its (almost) complete lack of a magnetic field doesn't help it either.
 
Cardinal said:
Its (almost) complete lack of a magnetic field doesn't help it either.
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One fo the proposed ways of terraforming mars is by increasing its carbon. It is a big factor. It would create a better atmosphere. This atmosphere would also block the radiation.
 
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