- May 31, 2016
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We need to consider sending in troops to liberate Chiraq!
Absolutely. It IS the responsibility of the individual...BUT...if you insist on looking big picture...then do so. What you see isnt surprising, nor shocking, nor all that difficult to understand.I see, start with the individuals but ultimately blame liberals using loose generics. :lol:
Perhaps in some mythical utopian paradise but the fact of the matter is we live in a world, the real world, where armed defense is sometimes necessary.
Do you dispute the facts offered in the OP cited? If so...can you validate that the victim topology remains constant or does the violence now seen reflect more targeting of those in violent prone communities as compared to the overall demographic?
How so? Are guns freely available or cheap in other developed countries that have done this?
1-How does that in any way address the posters assertion that true freedom comes with no threat of violence?The constitution mandates that the government provide security and justice...not the people...unless they are part of a well regulated militia.
1-How does that in any way address the posters assertion that true freedom comes with no threat of violence?
2-When the Constitution was written, what was the 'well regulated militia'? Who comprised the 'well regulated militia'? Indeed...what were the framers precise words on who comprised the militia in the first place and the rights of citizens to own firearms?
Do you really want to play this one again? You know it doesnt work out well for you.
Whoa. Seriously? In your zeal to defend your obviously ridiculous (and repeatedly proven false) argument about the people and militias now you want to pretend the framers somehow saw a world were people didnt have to defend themselves? And of course THATS why they wrote an amendment GUARANTEEING the people the right to defend themselves.The framers believed that in order to secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our prosperity that a government should establish justice, insure domestic tranquility and provide for the common defense. They believed that people living in a society would have more security and freedom if they didn't have to worry about defending themselves and their property like they would in the "state of nature."
I didn't say that.
Baloney. Guns are as "addictive" as leaded gasoline and Kinder Surprise.
The target is supply and demand. It's how most all bans work.
How many common criminals do you think are able to afford a gun when the going-price is tens of thousands of dollar for a gun?
No idea - I haven't recently researched the number of home and auto robberies occurring for legal gun owners.
The explanation for Chicago is a socioeconomic one, but no one wants to have that conversation. Always easier to blame the gun, blame the "gun free zone" or whatever else avoids talking about urban decay.
Absolutely. It IS the responsibility of the individual...BUT...if you insist on looking big picture...then do so. What you see isnt surprising, nor shocking, nor all that difficult to understand.
Why do you think the price for a gun is tens of thousands of dollars?
Depends on the country. England and Australia are special cases because of their island status---harder to smuggle arms in. Continental Europe however, from what I've heard, has been flooded with ex Soviet gear--- mainly AK series assault rifles and the various knockoffs--- since the mid 90s.
Again, the goal as I'd argue it. We've gotten pretty damn good at eliminating wars between countries; putting a stop to human enslavement and trafficking; and reducing homicides and violent crime rates. We've not eradicated these ailments, but there sure is a lot of us living today that no longer have to worry about these in the course of our lives.Perhaps in some mythical utopian paradise but the fact of the matter is we live in a world, the real world, where armed defense is sometimes necessary.
Chicago and Oak Park's gun laws were deemed unconstitutional in 2010 by McDonald v. Chicago.
We've had 6 years of a pro-gun person's dream.
Hardly. Concealed carry ban - Nope, killed in 2012. Gun registry - Killed.
Ban on gun shops? Officially killed. The only thing that's keeping weapon dealers out of the city are city officials.
And our 'damn police' are on the side of returning to heavy regulation. Less guns in the hands of the public = less officers getting killed on duty.
Do I need to explain the prohibition and marijuana examples to you or can you figure that out for yourself?
When a gang member needs a gun it isn't much different from an addiction. Where there is a need and a prohibition the black market will provide and always has.
Again, do you have any idea how many of those shootings were with legally acquired firearms? I would guess most are illegal, save for any that were used in self defense.