Can't have an abortion until you take a three-hour class on adoption [W:534]

[lolabird]

Perhaps because it is one of the first things we think about when broad laws without exceptions are passed because we were raped and impregnanted or we or have a loved one who had been raped and imprenanted and we understand how we or our loved one would feel if we or our loved one had to take a 3 hour class about adoption before we or our loved one could get the abortion we or our loved one feels is so desperately needed as a part of our recovery from the rape experience.

Why don't you and your elk take a course in contraception for men. Do men bear any responsibility?

 

[ttwtt78640]

What's the man's responsibility? Men should take a five day class on contraception.
Perhaps they should holster before they take a ride.

Those offering the ride are more responsible for assuring that the safety equipment is in order.

Men are 100% sure that they will not end up pregnant.

 

[Captain Adverse]

Why don't you and your elk take a course in contraception for men. Do men bear any responsibility?

The post you responded to was entirely about rape, not consensual sex. What has that first sentence got to do with rape? As for the second, yes the law holds rapists responsible. Yet in a large number of states, the rapist retains parental rights over any child born of that rape. How crazy is that???!!

 

[lolabird]

Those offering the ride are more responsible for assuring that the safety equipment is in order.

Men are 100% sure that they will not end up pregnant.

Oh so you've learned to justify your carnal desires by blaming the female. How original!
Man up!

 

[lolabird]

What has that first sentence got to do with rape? As for the second, yes the law holds rapists responsible. Yet in a large number of states, the rapist retains parental rights over any child born of that rape. How crazy is that???!!

You are unbelievable!

 

[ttwtt78640]

Oh so you've learned to justify your carnal desires by blaming the female. How original!
Man up!

No. I've learned to be monogamous and she is 61, thus not a problem for us.

 

[MaggieD]

Those offering the ride are more responsible for assuring that the safety equipment is in order.

Men are 100% sure that they will not end up pregnant.

:rofl -- Spoken like a true bare-back rider who'll be paying child support for the next 18 years. Save your money, honey.

Know what I'm most grateful for in our world today? That no woman will ever have to hear the words, "It's not mine," and be powerless to do anything about it.

 

[Captain Adverse]

You are unbelievable!

Nope, I am just rational.

 

[ttwtt78640]

:rofl -- Spoken like a true bare-back rider who'll be paying child support for the next 18 years. Save your money, honey.

Know what I'm most grateful for in our world today? That no woman will ever have to hear the words, "It's not mine," and be powerless to do anything about it.

No. I've learned to be monogamous and she is 61, thus possible pregnancy is not a problem for us.

 

[MaggieD]

No. I've learned to be monogamous and she is 61, thus possible pregnancy is not a problem for us.

Well, let's hope you taught your sons, if you have any. Nothing like an 18-year child support order to spoil a kid's life.

 

[minnie616]

Why don't you and your elk take a course in contraception for men. Do men bear any responsibility?

I have always advocated that both men and women use birth control when having consensual sex without the hopes of procreation.
Of course there is no method of birth control used during consentsual sex at this time that is 100 percent effective and has no side effects.
Therefore there is always a slight risk of an unwanted pregnancy when having consental sex.

 

[lolabird]

No. I've learned to be monogamous and she is 61, thus not a problem for us.

Then stop speaking for the entire male population.

 

[lolabird]

Nope, I am just rational.

Perhaps in your world.

 

[lolabird]

I have always advocated that both men and women use birth control when having consensual sex without the hopes of procreation.
Of course there is no method of birth control used during consentsual sex at this time that is 100 percent effective and has no side effects.
Therefore there is always a slight risk of an unwanted pregnancy when having consental sex.

Ergo vasectomy.

 

[minnie616]

Ergo vasectomy.

So are you advocating all men have vasectomies before puberty?

I am all for reducing unwanted pregnancies but sometimes pregnancies are wanted.

I have 4 children who were very much wanted myself.
My DH and I chose to have 4 children.
After our youngest was born and we agreed we did not want any more children my husband did have a vasectomy.

 

[lolabird]

So are you advocating all men have vasectomies before puberty?

I am all for reducing unwanted pregnancies but sometimes pregnancies are wanted.

I have 4 children who were very much wanted myself.
My DH and I chose to have 4 children.
After our youngest was born and we agreed we did not want any more children my husband did have a vasectomy.

No!
Adult men who sleep around should consider it.
As for boys in puberty, well, that's quite a conundrum, isn't it?
Hopefully their parents will teach them the responsibility of safe sex.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Then stop speaking for the entire male population.

Only if you will stop speaking for others as well.

 

[JayDubya]

So why don't you advocate that men use contraceptives or have vasectomy. Accept part of the responsibility for women becoming pregnant.
Man up.

Wow, awesomely insipid non sequitur.

I have never said that those who don't want kids shouldn't sterilize themselves or buy / use contraceptives, and I have never been selective in this advice / criticism by gender.

 

[nota bene]

What's the man's responsibility? Men should take a five day class on contraception.
Perhaps they should holster before they take a ride.

Men do have a legal, financial, and ethical responsibility. But if you're sexually active and decide to depend on a guy wrapping it, you're gambling.

 

[Dr. Chuckles]

Perhaps because it is one of the first things we think about when broad laws without exceptions are passed because we were raped and impregnanted or we or have a loved one who had been raped and imprenanted and we understand how we or our loved one would feel if we or our loved one had to take a 3 hour class about adoption before we or our loved one could get the abortion we or our loved one feels is so desperately needed as a part of our recovery from the rape experience.

But like Serenity pointed out, and the poster admitted to: the issue was a general opposition to the law. The whole rape angle was simply thrown in there for emotional effect. You see it all the time in these debates.

 

[Dr. Chuckles]

What's the man's responsibility? Men should take a five day class on contraception.
Perhaps they should holster before they take a ride.

I'm not sure how people can advocate women's rights in one instance then absolve them of the responsibility of dealing with their own health concerns in another. Sorry, but the basic facts are, that as a man, a pregnancy isn't really going to have much impact on my health or day to day life (children are a different matter). And while for personal reasons I have always been careful in those regards, on a social level I view it as wholly the concern of a woman to deal with those aspects of her life. Just like it's my responsibility to deal with the possible personal health complications that come with any activity I freely engage in

 

[Dr. Chuckles]

Oh so you've learned to justify your carnal desires by blaming the female. How original!
Man up!

No, I think the point was pregnancy is simply not a health concern for men. part of independence and equal rights is that you're responsible for yourself.

 

[Dr. Chuckles]

:rofl -- Spoken like a true bare-back rider who'll be paying child support for the next 18 years. Save your money, honey.

Know what I'm most grateful for in our world today? That no woman will ever have to hear the words, "It's not mine," and be powerless to do anything about it.

Well, in a discussion about abortion it seems rather redundant to point out pregnancy and children are not the same thing.

 

[Dr. Chuckles]

Perhaps in your world.

hopefully your trolling or simply off your meds. Because I would hate to think these are your general thought processes

 

[Un biased]

3 hour's classes seems a bit long wouldn't mind if it was a hour to a hour and a half. Being sure people know all the options before a abortion is all right I know it falls on personal responsibility but for some people it may just go out the window . But still 3 hours .