Can We All Just Take A Moment

[911Sparky]

All? Definitely not.

Some of us can, but we are a tiny minority.

There are many Americans who are secretly jubilant about Charlie Kirk's assassination. Some openly dance on his grave - even some people on this forum. There is a lot of hatred and intolerance in America

You are correct, there is much hatred and intolerance in this country, and Charlie Kirk did his best to spread much of it.

 

[SkyChief]

You are correct, there is much hatred and intolerance in this country, and Charlie Kirk did his best to spread much of it.

False. That's a fallacious talking point that the left is circulating. You obviously never actually listened to Charlie Kirk.

Charlie Kirk was highly tolerant and patient with people with opposing values and beliefs. He talked about the blessings of God, Family values and American values/culture. Many on the far-left despise those things, and that's why they rationalize their hatred/contempt for him, and his assassination.

 

[Tigerace117]

False. That's a fallacious talking point that the left is circulating. You obviously never actually listened to Charlie Kirk.

Charlie Kirk was highly tolerant and patient with people with opposing values and beliefs. He talked about the blessings of God, Family values and American values/culture. Many on the far-left despise those things, and that's why they rationalize their hatred/contempt for him, and his assassination.

Hmm. His belief that the Civil Rights Act was a bad thing strongly argues against the premise he was “highly tolerant”

 

[BirdinHand]

He talked about the blessings of God, Family values and American values/culture

Not being very familiar with him until his death, I’ve watched a bunch of his stuff and I see where he did speak about his beliefs and his values.

But I would stop short of claiming those are specifically “American” values.

Many on the far-left despise those things, and that's why they rationalize their hatred/contempt for him, and his assassination

I don’t think one necessarily needs to be “far left” to not share beliefs such as presuming a black person is unqualified for a job, or that young women should attend college to attain their “Mrs” degree, etc.

That disagreeing needn’t rise to “hate”, and most certainly not to murder.

But there was only one person behind a gun. And all this collective blame seems rather misplaced, especially when we don’t know WHAT the motive for the murder was and frankly, there was ONE person that committed a crime, not a collective.

 

[Logophile]

I don’t think one necessarily needs to be “far left” to not share beliefs such as presuming a black person is unqualified for a job, or that young women should attend college to attain their “Mrs” degree, etc.

To be transparent, Kirk never espoused either of those beliefs, did he?? I didn't know the man, so maybe you would know better. But somehow, in your post, you probably inadvertently floated 1950s bigotry and sexism with Kirk. Just wanted to make sure to clarify your position, that Kirk wasn't a 1950s sexist bigot. Right?? And that his murder doesn't sit well with you, which I think is pretty obvious

 

[911Sparky]

False. That's a fallacious talking point that the left is circulating. You obviously never actually listened to Charlie Kirk.

Charlie Kirk was highly tolerant and patient with people with opposing values and beliefs. He talked about the blessings of God, Family values and American values/culture. Many on the far-left despise those things, and that's why they rationalize their hatred/contempt for him, and his assassination.

On the contrary, I have listened to much of the crap he spewed, mostly on Youtube. I have also taken the time to read the Wikipedia page on his history, the man was a racist bigot.

 

[Hamish Howl]

to mourn the senseless death of Charlie Kirk and grieve with not only his family, but grieve for the heart of our nation? Can we grieve what America has turned into where so many believe violence is the solution? I've seen so many posts and threads on here but none I have seen where every post was just grieving for Charlie, his family, and the nation as a whole. Can't we all just come together and grieve without attacking the other side? Can't we just come together in the moment for a man whose life was cut short for allowing himself to be put in danger time and time again, even during numerous death threats, in order to have debate and engage with those having different opinions than ourselves? Isn't communicating and listening to the other side the first step in solving our problems, the very same thing that he was trying to do even right up to the moment he was murdered? Can we just do that in this thread instead of saying but but but but but?

Um.

No.

 

[BirdinHand]

To be transparent, Kirk never espoused either of those beliefs, did he??

He expressed them. Whether he personally believed them?

I didn't know the man, so maybe you would know better. But somehow, in your post, you probably inadvertently floated 1950s bigotry and sexism with Kirk. Just wanted to make sure to clarify your position, that Kirk wasn't a 1950s sexist bigot. Right?? And that his murder doesn't sit well with you, which I think is pretty obvious

 

[Deuce]

Hmmmm...

I hear you, but I remain unconvinced that it doesn't help further undermine the very thing it suggest it champions: The pointing out the error of promoting an uncivil society.

What is being championed by who?

The right hasn't been civil in years. Now some liberals are acting the same way and it's a national tragedy.

 

[Deuce]

False. That's a fallacious talking point that the left is circulating. You obviously never actually listened to Charlie Kirk.

Charlie Kirk was highly tolerant and patient with people with opposing values and beliefs. He talked about the blessings of God, Family values and American values/culture. Many on the far-left despise those things, and that's why they rationalize their hatred/contempt for him, and his assassination.

He also talked about how you should be scared if your pilot is black, and how Jewish money was spreading cultural marxism in America, and how MLK was a horrible person, and how the civil rights act was a huge mistake. None of that is tolerant. He was not a tolerant person.

You don't get to give him a pass on his entire life just because he pretended to believe in the teachings of the same book as you. Whine all you want about how mean the left is to someone like Kirk but it was a conservative who murdered him.

 

[Deuce]

To be transparent, Kirk never espoused either of those beliefs, did he?? I didn't know the man, so maybe you would know better. But somehow, in your post, you probably inadvertently floated 1950s bigotry and sexism with Kirk. Just wanted to make sure to clarify your position, that Kirk wasn't a 1950s sexist bigot. Right?? And that his murder doesn't sit well with you, which I think is pretty obvious

He told Taylor Swift to "submit to her husband" because "he is in charge" so yes actually he exactly that, along with being racist. He said things exactly as described.

 

[Logophile]

He told Taylor Swift to "submit to her husband" because "he is in charge" so yes actually he exactly that, along with being racist. He said things exactly as described.

So he didn't tell women to attend college to obtain an Mrs degree?? Okay. And nothing about black Americans not suited for certain jobs?? I'm not worried about Swift. A lot of people say a lot of things "to" celebrities that they never hear

 

[SkyChief]

He also talked about how you should be scared if your pilot is black, and how Jewish money was spreading cultural marxism in America, and how MLK was a horrible person, and how the civil rights act was a huge mistake. None of that is tolerant. He was not a tolerant person.

You don't get to give him a pass on his entire life just because he pretended to believe in the teachings of the same book as you.

I did not "give him a pass on his entire life". FYI, I'm atheist. The false reasoning behind your arguments is absurd - - they're logical fallacies.

Whine all you want about how mean the left is to someone like Kirk but it was a conservative who murdered him.

Straw-Man noted, and appreciated. You fabricated that logical fallacy.

 

[Questerr]

So, You don't even give a flying crap that a wife lost her husband and children lost their father?

I give as much a crap about them as Charlie did about the families of school shooting victims.

 

[Questerr]

So, you celebrate his murder and that's not disgusting? Oh yeah, you celebrate a criminal but you don't celebrate someone who was NOT a criminal.

Speaking of celebrating a criminal, you support the 37 time convicted felon, right?

 

[Questerr]

So the left is becoming more violent and supporting violence because Donald Trump was elected?

Why not instead of throwing a temper tantrum because you lose figure out how to win.

The way you deal with someone throwing a temper fit as you put them in the corner and let them stew.

But throwing a huge temper tantrum means you get pardoned by the president even when you try to murder the vice president.

 

[Deuce]

I did not "give him a pass on his entire life". FYI, I'm atheist. The false reasoning behind your arguments is absurd - - they're logical fallacies.

Straw-Man noted, and appreciated. You fabricated that logical fallacy.

I notice you didn't respond to the real content. You claimed Kirk didn't say these things, but he did

 

[SkyChief]

I notice you didn't respond to the real content. You claimed Kirk didn't say these things, but he did

False. I did not claim that Kirk didn't say those things.

You made it up.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

What nonsense. You need to stop with the incessant whining.

Did you or did you not say.............

Some openly dance on his grave - even some people on this forum.

Care to name the people you believe are dancing on his grave.........on this forum?

 

[Deuce]

No such thing happened. Kirk wasn't killed by someone that agreed with him.

No, he was killed by someone angry because he wasn't right wing enough

 

[CaughtInThe]

I've lost track of the number of wives/girlfriends/exes who have been gunned down by their husbands/boyfriends/exes that I have posted about on this site (along with their pics and/or stories) and I basically get no responses.

Don't let that be lost on you guys during this one assassination and this thread.

Meaning, the gun murders of certain people seem to be more important than the gun murders of non-famous, ordinary people.

 

[SkyChief]

Care to name the people you believe are dancing on his grave.........on this forum?

What a Stoopid suggestion.

Forum rules explicitly prohibit that, because it would flaming and baiting. But you already knew that.

Not taking the bait.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

What a Stoopid suggestion.

Forum rules explicitly prohibit that, because it would flaming and baiting. But you already knew that.

Not taking the bait.

Ah, so you won't name who you believe is dancing on Kirk's grave but you still suggested.........

Some openly dance on his grave - even some people on this forum.

It's on here in black n white.

 

[Deuce]

If that's what you believe he did, yes. It really doesn't matter what he said or didn't say.

If you believe people should be assassinated because they say things you don't like, you really don't belong in this country.

Oh my god you want Charlie Kirk's body to be violated and then set on fire in a public effigy? What is wrong with you!?

 

[CLAX1911]

No, he was killed by someone angry because he wasn't right wing enough

That's false.