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Can We All Just Take A Moment

It was more than just expressing his political beliefs. While he expressed his political beliefs, he also gave those on the other side a chance to express theirs. He didn't shoot any of them for their beliefs.
And no one on this forum shot him either.

You and your ilk should quit acting like anyone who disagrees with you personally shot the asshole. You are telling others to be civil while celebrating and voting for the movement and the people that have actively been pushing for a less civil society. Noone buys your bullshit.
 
to mourn the senseless death of Charlie Kirk and grieve with not only his family, but grieve for the heart of our nation? Can we grieve what America has turned into where so many believe violence is the solution? I've seen so many posts and threads on here but none I have seen where every post was just grieving for Charlie, his family, and the nation as a whole. Can't we all just come together and grieve without attacking the other side? Can't we just come together in the moment for a man whose life was cut short for allowing himself to be put in danger time and time again, even during numerous death threats, in order to have debate and engage with those having different opinions than ourselves? Isn't communicating and listening to the other side the first step in solving our problems, the very same thing that he was trying to do even right up to the moment he was murdered? Can we just do that in this thread instead of saying but but but but but?

I am sensing a little bit crocodile tears on this one.

The "heart of the nation" has seen enough shots to in recent memory to metaphorically appear like swiss cheese, and we are seeing a whole lot of situational ethics and concern based on who is killed and more importantly when we are supposed to apply a national level of grief and when to blame the victim for the outcome.

Any family impacted by violence is forced to grieve, like the person lost or not, agree with that person or not. I can be sad and apply empathy for any family dealing with putting someone in the ground taken from them by violence. And I do not have to like them, or even others that will grieve, to apply that sadness and empathy for what I know, all too well, they are going through.

If I am still grieving anything it is that this nation has a rich and frequent history of turning to violence in order to make a statement and/or take someone else's ability away to make their own statement. I did not agree with Kirk, do not particularly like him, and I do not have to in order to condemn using violence as the answer *regardless* of any position he took.

My real issue is the retrospectives on why he was assassinated end up becoming a reason to in some degree blame the victim.

Freedom of speech and expression was never intended to be kind, or considerate, or non-offensive. It was designed so we could have discourse, debate on the merits of an issue, then apply that to the principle of appealing to a majority that agree. But we don't do that all the time, and "solving our problems" in this case means being honest about when, and who, calls for calm and grief these days entirely based on who was killed.

Besides, our current President is going a long way to ensuring violence is what we will see tomorrow calling the "heart of the nation" something wounded right down political party lines. If we cannot find consensus in being sad about that, we are largely done as a nation.

The rest is just time to play out before violence begets more violence... oh wait... shit... we are already there now aren't we? Let me know when this is a two way street between ideologies, until then it is difficult to take these calls seriously. Comes across as something else, entirely less than honorable.
 
to mourn the senseless death of Charlie Kirk and grieve with not only his family, but grieve for the heart of our nation? Can we grieve what America has turned into where so many believe violence is the solution? I've seen so many posts and threads on here but none I have seen where every post was just grieving for Charlie, his family, and the nation as a whole. Can't we all just come together and grieve without attacking the other side? Can't we just come together in the moment for a man whose life was cut short for allowing himself to be put in danger time and time again, even during numerous death threats, in order to have debate and engage with those having different opinions than ourselves? Isn't communicating and listening to the other side the first step in solving our problems, the very same thing that he was trying to do even right up to the moment he was murdered? Can we just do that in this thread instead of saying but but but but but?
I really appreciate your efforts here Moderate Right. Thank you.
Today I have noticed there are far more people like you and I who grieve for the heart of our nation and his loving widow and little children that have been deprived of a loving father because of this senseless hateful action over his personal beliefs wanting to silence him forever.
 
You got triggered,
Lmao. If that's what you need to tell yourself.

I simply took advantage of your blunder. Nobody forced you to write what you wrote.

and that caused you to go into defense mode, and post your whataboutism retort.

I stated a fact about many people on this forum openly cheering, or rationalizing the assassination, and that is 100% true. I could give names, but that would constitute flaming and/or trolling, and violate forum rules, so I did NOT do that.

I did not intend for anyone to get triggered, but some did, apparently - you're not the only poster to respond with a logical fallacy argument. For triggering, I apologize. For speaking the truth, I don't.
 
Kirk wouldn't want your empathy. He hated empathy.
 
I really appreciate your efforts here Moderate Right. Thank you.
Today I have noticed there are far more people like you and I who grieve for the heart of our nation and his loving widow and little children that have been deprived of a loving father because of this senseless hateful action over his personal beliefs wanting to silence him forever.
When liberals don't want Kirk to speak, they protested.

When conservative didn't want Kirk to speak, they shot him.
 
I really appreciate your efforts here Moderate Right. Thank you.
Today I have noticed there are far more people like you and I who grieve for the heart of our nation and his loving widow and little children that have been deprived of a loving father because of this senseless hateful action over his personal beliefs wanting to silence him forever.
The heart of the nation doesn't beat to Charlie Kirk.
 
The people who celebrated Jordan Neely's killing or hid behind "excited delirium" for Elijah McClain's do not get to scold ****ing anyone.

And who, precisely, would those people be?
 
It looks like the answer to the OPs question is an overwhelming "no". In case Kirk's admirers are confused about factors affecting our ability to just all get along:


 
And no one on this forum shot him either.

You and your ilk should quit acting like anyone who disagrees with you personally shot the asshole. You are telling others to be civil while celebrating and voting for the movement and the people that have actively been pushing for a less civil society. Noone buys your bullshit.

That is a legitimate argument to make against the hypocrisy involved and worth pointing out, but I wouldn't make the argument that because the person making the argument might be practicing hypocrisy that the argument being made; that we should take pause at the death of someone who died because he was disagreed with, even vehemently, was worthy of that dying over that disagreement.
 
When the President of the United States wont even attempt to cool things down, and not a single goddamned right winger has ever called him out on that, then I'm not going to pretend that this is a standard that conservatives actually care about.
 
That is a legitimate argument to make against the hypocrisy involved and worth pointing out, but I wouldn't make the argument that because the person making the argument might be practicing hypocrisy that the argument being made; that we should take pause at the death of someone who died because he was disagreed with, even vehemently, was worthy of that dying over that disagreement.
And 99% of the people "celebrating" Kirk's death are actually just doing that. Pointing out hypocrisy. They're not actually celebrating. They're not dancing in the streets. There's just some legitimate criticism of Kirk's own incitement of hatred, and some dark humor about how Kirk wanted the world this way.

The edge cases of random dipshits don't actually matter.
 
to mourn the senseless death of Charlie Kirk and grieve with not only his family, but grieve for the heart of our nation? Can we grieve what America has turned into where so many believe violence is the solution? I've seen so many posts and threads on here but none I have seen where every post was just grieving for Charlie, his family, and the nation as a whole. Can't we all just come together and grieve without attacking the other side? Can't we just come together in the moment for a man whose life was cut short for allowing himself to be put in danger time and time again, even during numerous death threats, in order to have debate and engage with those having different opinions than ourselves? Isn't communicating and listening to the other side the first step in solving our problems, the very same thing that he was trying to do even right up to the moment he was murdered? Can we just do that in this thread instead of saying but but but but but?
MOURN him????? YOU were one of the first people when this happened to immediately jump on this site and villify the evil violent left as being responsible for this, remember that? now you expect us to mourn for a 31 year old kid who saw no problem inciting others to violence with his rhetoric? A 31 year old rabble rouser who many many people despise?

Where was your cutsy little speech when innocent democratic state senators in Minnesota NOT making a spectacle of themselves in public were gunned down in their home?

Sorry. You don't get to stir people to violence (like claiming immigrants should be beaten and shot at the border) and expect that you are immune from the violence you justify.

If you want to avoid violence, lose the urge to preach it! Mourn him? NEVER.
 
to mourn the senseless death of Charlie Kirk and grieve with not only his family, but grieve for the heart of our nation? Can we grieve what America has turned into where so many believe violence is the solution? I've seen so many posts and threads on here but none I have seen where every post was just grieving for Charlie, his family, and the nation as a whole. Can't we all just come together and grieve without attacking the other side? Can't we just come together in the moment for a man whose life was cut short for allowing himself to be put in danger time and time again, even during numerous death threats, in order to have debate and engage with those having different opinions than ourselves? Isn't communicating and listening to the other side the first step in solving our problems, the very same thing that he was trying to do even right up to the moment he was murdered? Can we just do that in this thread instead of saying but but but but but?

This is crazy pards. The democrat party is the cesspool of America and you want to play nice with them?

Todays democrats never wanted, and never will want to meet in the middle with any conservatives.

They will only continue to get more violent as time passes.

The only good democrat is the one sent scurrying back into his/her/she/him's filthy hole.
 
So, you celebrate his murder and that's not disgusting? Oh yeah, you celebrate a criminal but you don't celebrate someone who was NOT a criminal.
A lot of peope celebrated a criminal by electing him president. Have you ever heard this: When the head is rotten it affects the whole body? If you want peace and understanding on this forum, it might behoove you to start at the head and write our dear leader a note pleading for it. See Pyrite's post here. Note in the video that tRump spent no time talking about Kirk because Kirk ranks lower on his list than his new ballroom.
 
This is crazy pards. The democrat party is the cesspool of America and you want to play nice with them?

Todays democrats never wanted, and never will want to meet in the middle with any conservatives.

They will only continue to get more violent as time passes.

The only good democrat is the one sent scurrying back into his/her/she/him's filthy hole.
My mother is a Republican who voted for a Democrat first in 2020, and again in 2024.

She doesn't know who Charlie Kirk is. She's not grieving.

I'm independent and have never voted a straight ticket. I've heard of Kirk, but I don't know him, either. I'm not grieving.

Demanding emotions from strangers is very authoritarian. Fits.
 
This is crazy pards. The democrat party is the cesspool of America and you want to play nice with them?

Todays democrats never wanted, and never will want to meet in the middle with any conservatives.

They will only continue to get more violent as time passes.

The only good democrat is the one sent scurrying back into his/her/she/him's filthy hole.
Pot calls kettle black; kettle yawns.
 
So, like, the opposite of what conservatives like Charlie Kirk have been doing every time there’s been an attack on Democrats?
If that's what you believe he did, yes. It really doesn't matter what he said or didn't say.

If you believe people should be assassinated because they say things you don't like, you really don't belong in this country.
 
Why is Charlie Kirk due any more mourning, reflection, grief, etc - than any other person in this country whose life is ended at the barrel of a murderer’s gun?
He said words that made @Moderate Right feel better about himself, therefore @Moderate Right demands that every human being on the planet mourn him. I personally don’t see why. One, Charlie considers such behavior to be forced wokeness and would be aghast at @Moderate Right trying to force wokism on America. Two, I realize that Erika Kirk is single now and quite wealthy but I don’t see starting this thread leading to anything romantic.
 
If you believe people should be assassinated because they say things you don't like, you really don't belong in this country.
1st Amendment right.
 
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